Coma Patients?

[Huwie]

I'm sure Robert Monroe mentioned coma patients in his first book, or maybe I saw it on a website.  But yeah, apparently they're somewhere in the astral dimsensions.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I do not know for sure, but I would say that you are right in part. They are not exactly locked out as you don't ever leave your body. They probably are conscious on the astral. But on the physical their bodies are damaged that will not allow it to function in the physical body, so they are not conscious on the physical. You could say they are locked out in a way. But this is just my thought.

[Lighthouse]

I have a great friend who's father has been in a coma for a year and he certainly is conscious, however, he can not express or communcicate to his family through normal means of communication (talking.)  However, he is communicating with them (I think she has 5 siblings) I will dig through my email and relay an account of something that happened in her words...

--Lighthouse

[Lighthouse]

This is an abbreviated account of a crisis my friends family found themselves in... Her father has always been the kind of guy who is very caring yet emotionally quiet, not the most touchy feely guy in the world... he has always taken care of everybody and we feel (my friend and I) that this is his time to be nurtured.

My friend is the person in her family who is in charge of his physical body... if he needs to be moved to another location, if he seems to be experiencing discomfort, she's the one who makes sure that it is taken care of.  This correspondence relates to a time a couple of months ago when they thought he was going to die.  His limbs had all turned purple and the doctors had called them all in to say their last goodbyes because they could not explain what was happening, however, it seemed as if he was failing.

While they were all standing there, the color and the look of his condition dramatically changed.  My friend and everyone else in the room feel that hee had called them all together to appreciate each other as sort of a Thank You for each claiming their individual roles in his growth process.

Although he was not communicating with them physically, he certainly got his point across.  I have chosen not to edit the letter too much, I merely took out the personal references and thought someone might gain some insight from my friends words.

--Lighthouse
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Today started off with a flurry of unexplained incidents.  Everyone is moved into place.  None of us sure why or how but we are all called into this space together [the hospital room].

[The nurse] and I share a conversation regarding the lack of circulation in dad's left hand and foot.  Our earlier conversation brings to us an awareness but at this time not an urgency.  A few hours later, [the nurse] calls to suggest that I come up, just in case this is the day God calls dad home.  I ask her to say nothing to my mother who was visiting but to tell her that I would be on my way, and to wait for me.

As I step into dad's room I go to check on the concerns discussed earlier.  He appears alert, his skin has a good tone and I did notice myself the  cold purplish red hands and foot.  I am puzzled but not alarmed.  Mom comments how cold one gets when not fed, but she too does not appear to be alarmed.  

[The Nurse] confirms that stats are good.  Blood Pressure, sodium levels, oxygen etc.  All good.  Family starts to arrive.  Sharing our thoughts, love and checking in with ourselves to get a feel of our own personal sense of dad's condition. We vote hands down that it isn't what it seems. Not minimizing [the nurse's] concern, but rather realizing that we are all being brought to the undercurrent of this place where dad rests.

This energy of "unity" begins to form amongst children, wife, nurses, aids, [and others].  I didn't miss the dynamics of what was happening.  The power of Divine Intervention comes so quietly we almost miss it.  

All of us, brought to this place by a man in a coma.  To understand "hope", to realize the importance of "teamwork", to care, to embrace and to work together towards a solution, to lift this situation above our heads and carry it from point A to point B.  This was a time to see the value of ourselves.  The importance of our position in this chapter of dad's life.  No line separated us as family.  All for one, and one for all.  For this brief time, he belonged to all of us. For this moment a small miracle.  We were all called into this space to appreciate each other. To embrace our togetherness.  To validate our importance as human beings.

No it wasn't just another day at the [hospital].  It was a day that dad pulled us all together to honor us all for our love and committment to his process.  A deeper appreciation for life and for living.  To show us that things are not always what they seem.  That we must look to the left or the right in order to find our way through it. To each of us, it will mean something different, but when applied to our personal lives, we will each know what the situation brings to us on a more deeper level.  

Each of our lives reflect a "coat of many colors". Each beautiful face that wanders in becomes a shimmery silk thread that is woven into our lives.  Each day our coat becomes more beautiful, rich and warm.  Each thread strengthens our coat further, allowing us to weather whatever comes our way.  Allowing us to feel safe, warm and protected.

Today we each became a thread, a beautiful silk thread in the coat of each other.  Today we became stronger, more beautiful, and our lives much richer.  Our purpose here has divine meaning.  I do not question the challenges, the miracles nor the temporary setbacks.  We are part of a bigger plan.  Somebody up there believes we are capable of conquering what some may feel is impossible, and we do.

My hope is that all came to feel their own worth today.  That you valued your participation in whatever this was that unfolded itself to us. That each walked away feeling good about themselves, loved and appreciated.  If anyone left this day feeling less than that, then come and see me, and I will bring to you, that reality.

Recognize your calling to care for people.  You are exactly where you need to be in life.  Not by luck, by fluke or by chance, but because you are called by a higher power to do so.  Because you are capable and because your lives need to be blessed.  For it is in giving of ourselves that we receive.

From me to you, may your achievements be many, and your blessings be abundant.  Thank your for the contribution each and everyone of you make by choice.  In doing so, you bring forth a goodness onto yourself.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

But how do they know he is conscious, Lighthouse?

It would all depend on the damage, but does not coma mean unconscious? How is coma defined?

[Lighthouse]

I don't know... I'll ask.  I know they can tell when he seems alert, happy, sad, etc...

I'll ask

--Lighthouse

[m0d0]

Thanks for all the replies, it made me realise ive got so much to a read and learn.

MAybe they could read his emotional state from the Bio-electric ativity or something. Ehats the machine called that used to do that?

Cheers,

mo!

[Lighthouse]

I heard back from my friend and here is her response

--Lighthouse
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This is very interesting.  The condition of "coma" is quite magical yet mysterious.  Well my personal perspective is that those in coma are suspended between the Astral and Physical.  I believe those in coma are aware of the outer physical world....mentally, but the body is operating on a different frequency.  I think mentally, one continues to grow, observe, have emotions and opinions about what they hear in the outside world, but the physical body is put into a state of rest and repair.  I think it is truly Divine Intervention that when the physical vehicle, which carries our spirit, is in need of repair it will be placed in this "sleep" mode until things are complete.

I also believe that we have a tendency to view things and assume the obvious.  We might view one in a coma and assume that the coma takes place because there is a message for the specific individual.  That would be the obvious.  But I also believe that a "coma" activates change not only in the life of the patient, but also in the lives of those connected to that person.

I have come to believe that in a case where one's lessons in their lifetime may be about receiving, if that is not addressed by one's own free will, their life will be designed in a way to bring about that lesson.  Remember we all have agreements to complete specific lesson's in our physical lifetime.  Our lives and its situations come to us to
assist us in completing those lesson's.   If one does not come to
balance the specific ship of "giving and receiving", they will come to a place of "coma" where "care" of the soul and body must be accepted. Because I  am in direct observation of a coma patient, I have come to truly be present and fascinated by this condition.  

I also had a friend who was in a coma for 10 days.  She claims she rested in absolute peace and serenity.  She was aware of the outer world yet had no desire to leave this altered peaceful state.  She said it was not at all difficult emotionally or physically.  She went on to say that the most painful part of her coma was being catapulted back into her sick body. Hope that shed a wee bit of light on how I have come to view coma.

[m0d0]

Interesting beliefs LightHouse, im pretty sure your on the right lines as well.

I wonder though what happens to the accute coma patients. The ones that are in coma's for years... Have you ever read a reposrt on what happens to their whole body over that period of time.. Ek! I'd hate to be aware of the physical if that was gonna happen to me.

Cheers,

Mo!

[The AlphaOmega]

I have read many stories about people being in a coma and having very vivid and important OBE.  However, I also know a man that has been in a coma and remembers nothing of the accident that caused it or the coma itself.  Guess it all depends on the person.  Maybe some are meant to have them, maybe some aren't.  Hard to say!

[Jeff_Mash]

If I had to hypothesize on what happens with COMA patients, I would say that they drift between a dream state and an OBE state.

You see, those of us who are not in a coma live seemingly normal lives, working, going to school, raising a family, etc.  At the end of the day we sleep.  Now, sometimes we remember what we dream.  Sometimes we don't.  And sometimes, we have OBE's.  

Now, for those of you who don't remember your dreams, does this mean that you weren't dreaming?  Of course not.  Your mind is ALWAYS active with SOMETHING.  Always.  

And for those of you who have OBE's, you know that they are extremely real and lucid, even though you are not experiencing them in your waking life.

You can drift back and forth from dream to OBE and then wake up just fine, right?

Well, a coma patient doesn't have the "waking up" part.  With their physical body being out of the picture, their MIND is still very much alive.  They may be in a constant dream state, whether they remember what they're dreaming about is irrelevant.  

AND....that could also become lucid in this mental state and experience things in the RTZ (aka have an OBE, or AP).  They can drift from dreams to OBE and back again, although not necessarilly at will.

Why do I think this?  Well, I draw my consclusions on two things.  One is my own experience with extensive OBE travelling, in which I'm understanding more and more the way our consciousness works.  

The second reason why I think this is because my grandmother was in a coma the last 10 years of her life.  But not completely comatose.  She could still be spoon fed, but she couldn't talk, couldn't see, couldn't hear, nothing.  Just like spaced out and completely bed ridden, for ten long years.  

Then one day, out of nowhere, shortly before she died, she simply snapped out of it.  It only happened for a short time in a single day, but during that time, she was able to talk again!  She told her husband that she was aware the whole time, but she couldn't do anything. It was a bittersweet moment, because she basically told all of us that she would see us visit her and that she heard everything.

Then, after that, she slipped back into her previous state of mind and never came out of it.

So I think the mind in a coma is like in a dream state, where depending on the circumstances and the person involved, they can become lucid and consciously aware, just as we are when we have OBE's and AP's.

[Lighthouse]

quote:Originally posted by m0d0

Interesting beliefs LightHouse, im pretty sure your on the right lines as well.

I wonder though what happens to the accute coma patients. The ones that are in coma's for years... Have you ever read a reposrt on what happens to their whole body over that period of time.. Ek! I'd hate to be aware of the physical if that was gonna happen to me.

Cheers,

Mo!

My friend who wrote that has a father who has been in a coma for a year.  I guess we will have to wait to see if he comes out to answer that one []

Lighthouse

[LadyEowyn]

Newb question coming up!

Hasn't anyone OBE-ed into a hospital to a room of a coma patient to see if that person is there, or to try to communicate with that person that way?

[m0d0]

Hey all

I was just wondering about coma patients, could there astral bodie be locked out of there physical because of the damage?

Due to the lengthy times of most coma's would the patient eventually become conscious on Astral Plaine?

I don't how anyone could answer these but any theories or notions would cool?

Cheers,

Mo!