I've recently decided to give all of this a shot. I've ordered the book Astral Dynamics which should arrive soon, so I'm looking forward to giving that a good read, and I really don't read much, so at least I myself know I'm committed haha. I have read heaps and heaps about all of this, many different opinions and all that. I just have a few questions that I want answered. It might seem like a lot, but I just want to understand as much as I possibly can, and I feel it's better for me to have my own questions answered rather than read other questions answered.
What can I expect from all these different experiences? (i.e. What will I encounter, what will be the biggest challenge, what will it feel/look like during all these different stages??)
I have lucid dreams quite often but I'm not sure I quite understand the method to projection through lucid dreams. Focus on one thing and question it, can anyone expand on that?
Also, sometimes I have trouble getting to sleep and just can't seem to relax. Is this an issue, and how can I combat it?
Any answers will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all in advance.
Matt.
Quite a few questions there :)
Let's start with a easy response to the "LD -> AP Conversion": http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/wild_vs_phasing-t2832.0.html;msg18784#msg18784
I'll get back to you on the other questions shortly.
Or someone else will. :)
EDIT: Which stages are you referring to exactly?
For learning to relax, try doing a progressive muscle relaxing technique. Basically, you tense each muscle group for 5 - 10 second, then release it. Tense the next group of muscles for the same duration and keep doing this until you've done all the muscles in your body. You should be fairly relaxed by this point.
Also, try doing this from your head downwards.
~Ryan
If you are aware of being in a dream..aka.. lucid dream, then IMO, you are projecting already. I used to jump to make sure, and sure enough, I would shoot way up in the air. Depending on what you were doing when you realized you were dreaming, you should be able to do anything at this point.
Relaxing is just something you have to work on. I wouldn't push though. If you can't relax, get up and be active for a bit, then try again.
Welcome to the forums, btw. :-)
QuoteWhat can I expect from all these different experiences? (i.e. What will I encounter, what will be the biggest challenge, what will it feel/look like during all these different stages??)
i myself, am new to this stuff. i've only had about 6-7 encounters with the vibrational state (sleep paralysis) and i don't think i've left my body, fully -i might have began to float up, or it was just my vision zooming in on my ceiling... i'm not sure. so...
speaking
strictly from my own experience, other than the vibrational state (although, for me, even the vibrational state is unique each time,) i could not have predicted anything i experienced. the only thing you can expect is, it will not be anything you would have expected, lol. the main thing is to not get too excited. the first time i achieved the vibrations i was VERY impressed for a few reasons... 1) because all my work had paid off (even though i wasn't trying to project that night). 2) because the feeling is so 'out of this world!' i recall thinking 'HOLY S**T!
THIS IS WHAT THE BUDDHA FELT 2500 YEARS AGO??!!!'
consider for a moment how in 2010, with all our science/technology/knowledge a person like me who grew up on star trek could be so blown away by the vibrations, juxtaposed with a guy living in the BCE with only
that era's knowledge! it was that realization, in tandem with being so excited and dumbfounded, that caused the experience to peter out on me.
if you're like me, your first reaction will be utter excitement along with instant urges to completely examine every little thing you feel, see and hear. it is this that will deactivate the event. you must totally maintain.
actually, i
have had an experience that was similar to the rapid-movement-sensation events i've read about. here's my log entry:
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03/06/2010
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woohoo! a new type of experience! as usual, prayed, recited mantra, let The Creator and my higher self decide if my intentions for OOB journeys are in the best interest of my spiritual development.
although i tried to induce sleep paralysis via clear-minded meditation i might have lost consciousness for a few moments or minutes, but became aware during the onset of SP. i've now become accustomed to the vibrational state and gladly welcome it as it indicates adventure! the vibrations were comfortable, starting smoothly, and as they grew in intensity and speed i began to experience the sensation of motion, accompanied by the wind of such movement. uniformly, the wind against my face/neck, the pitch of the 'hum' and the vibration speed all gathered intensity to the point where my lips and cheeks began to slightly 'flap' from the gathering wind velocity.
interested to see where i was going and what might be passing by me i opened my eyes, unfortunately i only saw the ceiling of my dark room. all the movement and wind stopped at that moment, but the vibrations and their 'hum' seemed to continue. desperate to salvage the experience i attempted to 'roll-out' of the physical -a popular technique used by all seasoned OBErs- and while i slowly rolled to my left side my perception shifted back fully to physical reality and the buzz of the vibrations and their hum slowly faded.
NOTES:
as with my first encounter with the vibrational state, i perceived a visual representation of of the vibrations (multi-colored rings of energy similar to electricity, in appearance).
with the wind cool in temperature, there was a sensation of shifting into overdrive when my lips/cheeks began to flap like a dog's, with his head out a speeding car's window. the experience was as real as any in physical reality.
within the hum and rumble there was the sound of something similar to a mouth harp twanging.
possible cause(s) of un-sustainability: 'curiosity of destination,' opening my eyes during 'transit,' 'rolling' too fast.
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hope this helps.
Quote from: Palooza on May 26, 2010, 13:25:49
...and I really don't read much...
I have read heaps and heaps about all of this...
so which is it? you read heaps or you don't read much?
Meditation is a great help.....
As far as relaxation goes, it shouldn't be a problem if you make your projection attempts in the early morning - as soon as you wake, or set an alarm for an hour before you normally wake. It's the best time to project as you're straight out of REM sleep and already deeply relaxed. Trying to project when you retire at night is not a good idea as you're much less likely to succeed and you'll waste a lot of time and energy.
Quote from: personalreality on May 26, 2010, 16:20:21
so which is it? you read heaps or you don't read much?
I don't really think that's relevant.. But what I meant was that I do not read much, however this which interests and motivates me is an exception.
Thanks to the rest of you. I've brought a few things out of this. I've been practicing as I go to sleep, I won't do that any more.
Quote from: Palooza on May 27, 2010, 01:09:22
I don't really think that's relevant.. But what I meant was that I do not read much, however this which interests and motivates me is an exception.
Thanks to the rest of you. I've brought a few things out of this. I've been practicing as I go to sleep, I won't do that any more.
Hi there Palooza! Don't mind PR, he's harmless and once you get used to the little pokes he does, he will grow on you. He just wants love and attention, after all. :-D
You don't have to stop practicing before you go to sleep. Even if you don't consciously project, you might induce some very vivid or lucid dreams. Plus, it's never a bad idea to practice whatever routine you do.
Good luck! :-)
Quote from: Naykid on May 27, 2010, 08:55:13
You don't have to stop practicing before you go to sleep. Even if you don't consciously project, you might induce some very vivid or lucid dreams.
In my opinion, if you're specifically trying to achieve projection you should target your efforts around where they are most likely to be effective. It's pretty widely accepted that practicing before you go to sleep is probably the worst time you can pick in terms of achieving OBE. You're still tense from the days activity, and you're about to enter deep sleep instead of REM sleep. Most lucid dreamers use the wake back to bed technique to maximise their chances of success.
I think the reason a lot of people get frustrated and give up when learning to AP is because they waste so much effort and energy attempting to project when they go to bed at night. But each to thier own of course...
Quote from: nickspry on May 27, 2010, 10:21:37
In my opinion, if you're specifically trying to achieve projection you should target your efforts around where they are most likely to be effective. It's pretty widely accepted that practicing before you go to sleep is probably the worst time you can pick in terms of achieving OBE. You're still tense from the days activity, and you're about to enter deep sleep instead of REM sleep. Most lucid dreamers use the wake back to bed technique to maximise their chances of success.
I think the reason a lot of people get frustrated and give up when learning to AP is because they waste so much effort and energy attempting to project when they go to bed at night.
Well, ok then, that's fine. I should have said, in my opinion, then expounded. For years I practiced at night, it worked better for me. I have kids and the mornings are all about them, perhaps that is why it worked for me? He doesn't necessarily have to shoot for an OBE, he could just work on meditative techniques. Take it or leave it, it's not a competition. :-D
Hey guys, I do have another question.
I have no doubt in my mind that I will encounter (at some point, if not during my first projection) a negative entity. I'm not afraid of demons or evil spirits or anything like that, actually quite the opposite, I am quite intrigued and would probably enjoy seeing one. Although my one fear is of demonic looking girls, for example, the girl on The Ring. I would go as far to say that sometimes, the thought of her standing next to me just petrifies me.
So I've heard people mention that it came down to them "fighting" the negative entity away, that it became violent. If anyone has fought or read about a fight, how does it go down?? What exactly happens when it becomes violent??
you just have to remember that you are the most powerful being in the world.
Quote from: Palooza on May 27, 2010, 14:08:45
Hey guys, I do have another question.
I have no doubt in my mind that I will encounter (at some point, if not during my first projection) a negative entity. I'm not afraid of demons or evil spirits or anything like that, actually quite the opposite, I am quite intrigued and would probably enjoy seeing one. Although my one fear is of demonic looking girls, for example, the girl on The Ring. I would go as far to say that sometimes, the thought of her standing next to me just petrifies me.
So I've heard people mention that it came down to them "fighting" the negative entity away, that it became violent. If anyone has fought or read about a fight, how does it go down?? What exactly happens when it becomes violent??
In my opinion, you need to remember that negs are created by you. When you start fighting them, you begin reinforcing the thought that they are real. As you fight them, you expect them to fight back. So they do. This reinforces the thought that they are real and it just keeps going and going until you realize that it is generated by you or you wake up.
To stop a neg attack, stop feeding it fuel. Just ignore it, or don't react to it in any way.
Quote from: Chris J. on May 27, 2010, 14:33:27
In my opinion, you need to remember that negs are created by you. When you start fighting them, you begin reinforcing the thought that they are real. As you fight them, you expect them to fight back. So they do. This reinforces the thought that they are real and it just keeps going and going until you realize that it is generated by you or you wake up.
To stop a neg attack, stop feeding it fuel. Just ignore it, or don't react to it in any way.
I'll second this post. Very well put.
~Ryan
Quote from: Xanth on May 27, 2010, 14:44:59
I'll second this post. Very well put.
~Ryan
And I'll third that. Click and applause!
I kind of never understood the term neg, it basically assumes then that everyone else is a pos, which is definitely not the case as nothing in this reality is so black and white, if only emotions were ever so shallow.
Quote from: Yin on May 27, 2010, 19:22:59
I kind of never understood the term neg, it basically assumes then that everyone else is a pos, which is definitely not the case as nothing in this reality is so black and white, if only emotions were ever so shallow.
It was getting tiresome spelling out the whole word, negative, so we started saying Neg. What's a pos? :lol:
Quote from: Naykid on May 28, 2010, 08:24:44
It was getting tiresome spelling out the whole word, negative, so we started saying Neg. What's a pos? :lol:
Piece of sh... ooooh, you were being sarcastic. :)
In any case, yeah a "neg" is basically anything that the experiencer deems as something acting "
negatively" towards them.
~Ryan :)
I wanted to add something to all of you that are having negative experiences- consider the neg a test that your subconscious (or higher self, or whatever you like) is giving you, a test that you have to tackle so that you can have more expansive experiences- because if fear happens on the outset, it's going to color all your experiences, as some of you found out.
So Nay, when you want to project, even if you are having negative experiences, consider them an opportunity to look at your own fears (and I know you know this already) and tackle them in an objective way.
If you tackle it instead of avoiding it, eventually they'll stop and they'll go back to being positive experiences.
Quote from: Xanth on May 26, 2010, 13:32:01
Quite a few questions there :)
Let's start with a easy response to the "LD -> AP Conversion": http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/wild_vs_phasing-t2832.0.html;msg18784#msg18784
I'll get back to you on the other questions shortly.
Or someone else will. :)
EDIT: Which stages are you referring to exactly?
For learning to relax, try doing a progressive muscle relaxing technique. Basically, you tense each muscle group for 5 - 10 second, then release it. Tense the next group of muscles for the same duration and keep doing this until you've done all the muscles in your body. You should be fairly relaxed by this point.
Also, try doing this from your head downwards.
~Ryan
Head Downwards? NO. That leaves your FEET as the last point of consciousness. No. Against everything I know and do. Don't do that.
Or do! That is the point.
Quote from: Xanth on May 28, 2010, 09:02:25
Piece of sh... ooooh, you were being sarcastic. :)
In any case, yeah a "neg" is basically anything that the experiencer deems as something acting "negatively" towards them.
~Ryan :)
What actions would you deem as negative in a nonphysical environment? I'm not asking in general, its just realistically impossible for an action to be negative to me in a nonphysical environment. It simply seems that we take our emotions in the physical with us to the nonphysical that are not necessary.
Quote from: Naykid on May 28, 2010, 08:24:44
It was getting tiresome spelling out the whole word, negative, so we started saying Neg. What's a pos? :lol:
.. a pos is a positive, the opposite of negative if you were actually seriously asking, as I do not know anymore. I just don't simply look at entities as "negative" or "positive", in my opinion, everything has its reasons.
Quote from: Psilibus on May 28, 2010, 18:43:05
Head Downwards? NO. That leaves your FEET as the last point of consciousness. No. Against everything I know and do. Don't do that.
Or do! That is the point.
due to the crown and third eye chakra being where they are.. I would say it is not a very good idea either..
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 28, 2010, 17:43:20
I wanted to add something to all of you that are having negative experiences- consider the neg a test that your subconscious (or higher self, or whatever you like) is giving you, a test that you have to tackle so that you can have more expansive experiences- because if fear happens on the outset, it's going to color all your experiences, as some of you found out.
So Nay, when you want to project, even if you are having negative experiences, consider them an opportunity to look at your own fears (and I know you know this already) and tackle them in an objective way.
If you tackle it instead of avoiding it, eventually they'll stop and they'll go back to being positive experiences.
Would you say the determination of if the experience was negative or positive is based upon the emotional reactions to such experience?
Quote from: Yin on May 28, 2010, 18:50:47
.. a pos is a positive, the opposite of negative if you were actually seriously asking, as I do not know anymore. I just don't simply look at entities as "negative" or "positive", in my opinion, everything has its reasons.
indeed.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 28, 2010, 17:43:20
I wanted to add something to all of you that are having negative experiences- consider the neg a test that your subconscious (or higher self, or whatever you like) is giving you, a test that you have to tackle so that you can have more expansive experiences- because if fear happens on the outset, it's going to color all your experiences, as some of you found out.
So Nay, when you want to project, even if you are having negative experiences, consider them an opportunity to look at your own fears (and I know you know this already) and tackle them in an objective way.
If you tackle it instead of avoiding it, eventually they'll stop and they'll go back to being positive experiences.
I did not see this yesterday! And yeah, you're right, I know this logically, but dangit.. lol
I thought once I was ready to get back to it, it would be like riding a bike..well, it is in a way, but I feel like I've lost muscle tone..lol I stopped using this muscle and now I've got to build it back up. I did not expect this. It shouldn't take too long, I hope. Reading all the new people with their attempts is a great inspiration. I'm still having experiences, just not planned. I'm ready for some planned ones. :-)
I thought it would be like riding a bike too.
It was not.
And I don't have spontaneous ones either.
No, it is not like riding a bike. Ten years ago I might have thought that. This physical reality can get ever so distracting. Attention can spread in so many directions. The Will can be left weakened and vulnerable. Intention drifts.
The last time I rode a bike I wound up with a sore butt. Don't remember the seat being that uncomfortable. It was sort of a negative experience but I will ride the bike again soon.
Exactly, guys! :-)
if you're not maintaining some sort of practice that tempers your focus then it becomes ever more difficult to AP
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 28, 2010, 17:43:20
I wanted to add something to all of you that are having negative experiences- consider the neg a test that your subconscious (or higher self, or whatever you like) is giving you, a test that you have to tackle so that you can have more expansive experiences- because if fear happens on the outset, it's going to color all your experiences, as some of you found out.
So Nay, when you want to project, even if you are having negative experiences, consider them an opportunity to look at your own fears (and I know you know this already) and tackle them in an objective way.
If you tackle it instead of avoiding it, eventually they'll stop and they'll go back to being positive experiences.
Firstly I want to thank you all for your comments, but very much to you, CFTraveler, because that is exactly the way I think I need to look at it. It's put my mind at ease 100%. I fear nothing now. And if I do get sudden fearful thoughts, I believe thinking of it this way (as a test) will get me through it very easily. So a big thank you. This is exactly what I needed.
You're welcome.
:-)
How's everyone?
So check it out, I have only been really trying to project for about 2 weeks at most. But already I get into a slight vibration stage after as little as 5 minutes sometimes. I start to feel like I'm floating, the blackness seems to move around, and sometimes I see stars. Then I usually stop and go to sleep. Just to try to get used to it bit by bit, small steps at a time. Then when I fall asleep, I seem to have very prolonged dreams, they last ages. This has been happening almost every night. I'm just curious.. Am I on the way, or is this all nothing?
I ask because I've read that people try for months or years before they can manage to get anywhere, but I was only doing it for 2 weeks and already I seem to be able to get somewhere every night.
What do you reckon??
Matt.
you're moving closer.
took me 6 months of regular practice.
but i never felt vibes.
then i switched up my method and felt vibes within like 2 weeks, projected in a month.
if you regularly meditate and stuff already then it will come much easier.