Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Chiron on July 22, 2003, 08:00:18
Post by: Chiron on July 22, 2003, 08:00:18
Hello Fred,
Yes sir!
C [:D]
Yes sir!
C [:D]
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Tippa on July 22, 2003, 17:01:08
Post by: Tippa on July 22, 2003, 17:01:08
While searching for something on the internet I came upon this site yesterday. I started reading a couple of the posts and ended up reading for almost 10 hours; different posts on different topics.
I read one post that sounded similiar to something I had expierenced several years ago. The post was by SiN, and I found it interesting that she's the same age as I was when I had expierenced some of things that she seems to be going through right now.
I don't know what is wrong with me, to put it simply.
I think the best way to put it would be to say that I was "attacked". It was a Tuesday night, the last time I remember seeing my alarm clock it was around 12:45am. I'm not sure what the rest of you refer to it as, but it started happening when my body and mind were half asleep. I was sleeping, but was concious at the same time, so I had no problems thinking clearly. All of a sudden, it felt like my body was being shaken violently. I couldn't move, I could barely breathe. Looking around my bedroom, there was a constant light flashing very fast, it looked like there was a strobe light going off. My heart was beating so fast and hard I thought it was going to pound out of my chest, and there was this sound, something between a loud buzzing and a roaring... kind of like being in a cave with a river flowing above you. It lasted for about three hours. When it was finally over I had never in all my life felt so completely drained. I remember thinking that all I wanted to do at that moment was to die, to just sleep. I was seventeen years old. That was the first time, and the longest time that has ever happened. It happened a lot of other times over the next few months, but by then I had managed a way to make it stop shortly after it had begun, just by using willpower. That was in early spring, March or April, but in October, something similiar but very different happened...this is how I can relate to SiN. I was lying in bed half asleep, when suddenly there were other people in my room. Three of them, all young men. There were two sitting in front of me, and one behind me on the bed. I didn't know who the two were, nor could I see their faces because they were just big black "blobs". But I knew who the third was behind me. They were talking about some girl that they had raped, or were going to rape. I know something was behind me, I could feel the heat comeing from it, as if there really was another body behind me. In "reality" there really wasn't anyone in the room with me. Then suddenly the two in front me like melted away and to replace them was something like a little dwarf and some kind of fairy looking creature. Then I had these visions flashing before my eyes. I was standing on this huge rock, kind of like a mountain or a cliff and there was lightning coming out of my hands going towards the sky, and I remember hearing something say or getting the impression of words in my head, that I had locked them away. But these little guys were not happy and they wanted revenge. I got the impression that I had "locked them up" a LONG time ago... I'm talking about thousands and thousands of years ago. While all this was going on, I had the sensation of the first time something had happened like this. My heart was pounding, I couldn't move or call out for help. This wasn't the first "vision" that I had had, but it was the first one that had lasted for any amount of time. The first one only happened for a matter of seconds and it was this little old gnarled up woman jumping out at from nowhere, trying to reach for my throat. And once again, it started out the same, my heart pounding, trouble breathing, the sound in my ears... those three "symptoms" are always there along with not being able to move or call out for help.
Things went away for a while... I didn't have anything like that happen to me for almost two years. Once in awhile it would start, but I never had any problems of stopping it as soon as I realized what was happening. But, they have recently started up again. About seven months ago, it was around January 15th, it happened, for the first time in a long time. This time there were beings there... and there was this really loud buzzing in my left ear, I was lying down on my right side. I was too afraid to open my eyes, that's never happened before. I just remember that it felt like something was being forced into my head through my left ear. When I "woke up" I had a really bad ear ache for the rest of the day. I didn't have anymore cases until last week... Every night last week it happened, and it was always at the same time.
Just for the record, every instance I described above happened in different homes, and in two different states. I don't do drugs and I rarely drink. So, If anyone has any idea on whats going on, I'd like to hear it... I don't really like posting on boards, so bear with me.
Tippa
I read one post that sounded similiar to something I had expierenced several years ago. The post was by SiN, and I found it interesting that she's the same age as I was when I had expierenced some of things that she seems to be going through right now.
I don't know what is wrong with me, to put it simply.
I think the best way to put it would be to say that I was "attacked". It was a Tuesday night, the last time I remember seeing my alarm clock it was around 12:45am. I'm not sure what the rest of you refer to it as, but it started happening when my body and mind were half asleep. I was sleeping, but was concious at the same time, so I had no problems thinking clearly. All of a sudden, it felt like my body was being shaken violently. I couldn't move, I could barely breathe. Looking around my bedroom, there was a constant light flashing very fast, it looked like there was a strobe light going off. My heart was beating so fast and hard I thought it was going to pound out of my chest, and there was this sound, something between a loud buzzing and a roaring... kind of like being in a cave with a river flowing above you. It lasted for about three hours. When it was finally over I had never in all my life felt so completely drained. I remember thinking that all I wanted to do at that moment was to die, to just sleep. I was seventeen years old. That was the first time, and the longest time that has ever happened. It happened a lot of other times over the next few months, but by then I had managed a way to make it stop shortly after it had begun, just by using willpower. That was in early spring, March or April, but in October, something similiar but very different happened...this is how I can relate to SiN. I was lying in bed half asleep, when suddenly there were other people in my room. Three of them, all young men. There were two sitting in front of me, and one behind me on the bed. I didn't know who the two were, nor could I see their faces because they were just big black "blobs". But I knew who the third was behind me. They were talking about some girl that they had raped, or were going to rape. I know something was behind me, I could feel the heat comeing from it, as if there really was another body behind me. In "reality" there really wasn't anyone in the room with me. Then suddenly the two in front me like melted away and to replace them was something like a little dwarf and some kind of fairy looking creature. Then I had these visions flashing before my eyes. I was standing on this huge rock, kind of like a mountain or a cliff and there was lightning coming out of my hands going towards the sky, and I remember hearing something say or getting the impression of words in my head, that I had locked them away. But these little guys were not happy and they wanted revenge. I got the impression that I had "locked them up" a LONG time ago... I'm talking about thousands and thousands of years ago. While all this was going on, I had the sensation of the first time something had happened like this. My heart was pounding, I couldn't move or call out for help. This wasn't the first "vision" that I had had, but it was the first one that had lasted for any amount of time. The first one only happened for a matter of seconds and it was this little old gnarled up woman jumping out at from nowhere, trying to reach for my throat. And once again, it started out the same, my heart pounding, trouble breathing, the sound in my ears... those three "symptoms" are always there along with not being able to move or call out for help.
Things went away for a while... I didn't have anything like that happen to me for almost two years. Once in awhile it would start, but I never had any problems of stopping it as soon as I realized what was happening. But, they have recently started up again. About seven months ago, it was around January 15th, it happened, for the first time in a long time. This time there were beings there... and there was this really loud buzzing in my left ear, I was lying down on my right side. I was too afraid to open my eyes, that's never happened before. I just remember that it felt like something was being forced into my head through my left ear. When I "woke up" I had a really bad ear ache for the rest of the day. I didn't have anymore cases until last week... Every night last week it happened, and it was always at the same time.
Just for the record, every instance I described above happened in different homes, and in two different states. I don't do drugs and I rarely drink. So, If anyone has any idea on whats going on, I'd like to hear it... I don't really like posting on boards, so bear with me.
Tippa
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: dino333 on July 22, 2003, 17:23:19
Post by: dino333 on July 22, 2003, 17:23:19
That's one looooooooooooong post there, and a good one.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Randøm_ on July 22, 2003, 18:55:26
Post by: Randøm_ on July 22, 2003, 18:55:26
Tippa, that must have been devastating. I have ideas on what to say/suggest, but my better self thinks I should keep quiet while someone more familiar with such an experience can offer insight/advice.
I don't know how much attention that will get in this thread, since the subject and your post's content don't exactly match.
May I humbly suggest that if not many people see your post, if you could copy and paste it in a new thread entitled likewise?
Welcome to the forum.
... and I feel for you, for whatever little that is worth.
I don't know how much attention that will get in this thread, since the subject and your post's content don't exactly match.
May I humbly suggest that if not many people see your post, if you could copy and paste it in a new thread entitled likewise?
Welcome to the forum.
... and I feel for you, for whatever little that is worth.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Person on July 22, 2003, 19:06:15
Post by: Person on July 22, 2003, 19:06:15
Tippa, I can relate. My experiences were simpler and short-lived though. It was definitely a negative entity(s) both trying to punish 'you' and taking your energy. It's possible you really did hurt them in the past, but most likely you just have something similar to that person and they're too blind with hate to see clearly, wanting someone to blame.
I'd also advise you paste your post into the Psychic Self Defense section. You'll find similar experiences posted there too.
I'd also advise you paste your post into the Psychic Self Defense section. You'll find similar experiences posted there too.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 22, 2003, 19:22:54
Post by: fredhedd on July 22, 2003, 19:22:54
likewise, i don't know what to suggest about this. i havne't had much experience w/ these type of encounters. better would be to move your post to the psychich self defense section. it will be viewed more there.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Tippa on July 22, 2003, 21:57:58
Post by: Tippa on July 22, 2003, 21:57:58
Thanks for the Advice... I just hate posting...
It's been moved to the defense forum.
Tippa
It's been moved to the defense forum.
Tippa
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 23, 2003, 00:39:00
Post by: fredhedd on July 23, 2003, 00:39:00
i'm sure someone there will be able to give you some advice.
i'm not settling for one new person posting. all of you other new people that are reading this, stop reading this and post here instead. what's stopping you from oobe'ing?
i'm not settling for one new person posting. all of you other new people that are reading this, stop reading this and post here instead. what's stopping you from oobe'ing?
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: PDB on July 23, 2003, 01:26:05
Post by: PDB on July 23, 2003, 01:26:05
Well, hello everyone I just hadn't posted before because I had nothing special to say. I'm from Argentina (any others?) and it's just been two weeks since I started working on achieving an OBE. Why, I had never done any psychic development before and I've never had any experiences so I have no natural talent.
Anyway, I read Robert Bruce's Treatise on OBE and I'll probably get Astral Dynamics soon, so I took to climbing the ROPE. The very first time I tried my heart chakra showed increased activity (it was pulsating like hell!) but I didn't panic or anything because I knew what it was about, and after a few moments the feeling faded, and everything was back to normal. I think I lost my concentration, but I couldn't tell. So I figured I should spend some time on preparing my body for the experience and go step by step.
The following days I went on doing energy work to stimulate my chakras and now I can easily get all my main chakras (except for the brow and crown ones) to pulsate in the same manner. Then I started working on achieving a deeper trance (I haven't quit the energy work though), so now I just go with breath awareness for some minutes and I get a slight feeling of heaviness and feeling smaller. But these are VERY slight and usually accompanied by some difficulty to move afterwards (last time I even got a numb feeling in my right hand). Anyhow I think I'm making some progress here, I just can't seem to stimulate my brow and crown chakras. Any suggestions[?]
Ok, that's it for my first post. Sorry if it was too long and excuse me if my English is not so good.
- Pablo.
Anyway, I read Robert Bruce's Treatise on OBE and I'll probably get Astral Dynamics soon, so I took to climbing the ROPE. The very first time I tried my heart chakra showed increased activity (it was pulsating like hell!) but I didn't panic or anything because I knew what it was about, and after a few moments the feeling faded, and everything was back to normal. I think I lost my concentration, but I couldn't tell. So I figured I should spend some time on preparing my body for the experience and go step by step.
The following days I went on doing energy work to stimulate my chakras and now I can easily get all my main chakras (except for the brow and crown ones) to pulsate in the same manner. Then I started working on achieving a deeper trance (I haven't quit the energy work though), so now I just go with breath awareness for some minutes and I get a slight feeling of heaviness and feeling smaller. But these are VERY slight and usually accompanied by some difficulty to move afterwards (last time I even got a numb feeling in my right hand). Anyhow I think I'm making some progress here, I just can't seem to stimulate my brow and crown chakras. Any suggestions[?]
Ok, that's it for my first post. Sorry if it was too long and excuse me if my English is not so good.
- Pablo.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 23, 2003, 02:56:33
Post by: fredhedd on July 23, 2003, 02:56:33
welcom. it wasn't too long and your english is fine. i wouldn't have guessed it was a second language for you.
you sound like you are making excellent progress. maybe you should reconsider thinking that you have no natural talent. a few weeks and this is where you are already? sounds good to me.
that is a little strange that you can't get your brow and crown chakras to activate. i've found they were the easiest ones to get moving. actually my brow chakra is always very active. sometimes i have trouble sleeping because of it.
have you tried moving an imaginary ball back and forth in between your two temples. there may be soemthing about it on the treaties somewhere. it works well.
that numbness is a good sign of progress. the hands is usually where it's felt first. they have huge energy exchange ports in them. i learned a trick when trying to activate my hands. i try and feel the space around my hands instead of my actual hands. i think it helps expand that part of the energy body faster then just raising energy.
you sound like you are making excellent progress. maybe you should reconsider thinking that you have no natural talent. a few weeks and this is where you are already? sounds good to me.
that is a little strange that you can't get your brow and crown chakras to activate. i've found they were the easiest ones to get moving. actually my brow chakra is always very active. sometimes i have trouble sleeping because of it.
have you tried moving an imaginary ball back and forth in between your two temples. there may be soemthing about it on the treaties somewhere. it works well.
that numbness is a good sign of progress. the hands is usually where it's felt first. they have huge energy exchange ports in them. i learned a trick when trying to activate my hands. i try and feel the space around my hands instead of my actual hands. i think it helps expand that part of the energy body faster then just raising energy.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Grigori on July 23, 2003, 04:42:24
Post by: Grigori on July 23, 2003, 04:42:24
Hello Everyone! [:D]
Well I'm not really shy ... just fairly new ... but I am a "regular" member now [:D]
I've meditated for years and recently became interested in the topic of remote viewing and I was just curious if RV could be related to OBE's. Well one google search later and I was here reading lots of interesting stuff ... 'n that's pretty much my whole story.
Ooooh one question ... is there anything like a glossary of terms for this place? It's not very important but this place uses a lot of little acronyms that I'm not familiar with ... like DBZer I just recently found out means DragonBall Z-er. There were a few others ... nothing major but if by chance there were a reference page someplace it would be handy.
Well I'm not really shy ... just fairly new ... but I am a "regular" member now [:D]
I've meditated for years and recently became interested in the topic of remote viewing and I was just curious if RV could be related to OBE's. Well one google search later and I was here reading lots of interesting stuff ... 'n that's pretty much my whole story.
Ooooh one question ... is there anything like a glossary of terms for this place? It's not very important but this place uses a lot of little acronyms that I'm not familiar with ... like DBZer I just recently found out means DragonBall Z-er. There were a few others ... nothing major but if by chance there were a reference page someplace it would be handy.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: shadowatcher on July 23, 2003, 06:07:16
Post by: shadowatcher on July 23, 2003, 06:07:16
DBZ? the people who talk about DBZ on these forums are people who have an 'alternative' *cough* fake *cough* view of ki and chi. They think you can fly, create chi blasts, energy beams and etc. Cool, but not realistic...
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: PDB on July 23, 2003, 12:08:40
Post by: PDB on July 23, 2003, 12:08:40
hey fred thanks for the feedback! [:D]
geez, the ball method really works! I mean, it doesn't yet feel the same as the other chakras but it definitely shows some activity now. I guess I missed that one from the treatise...
geez, the ball method really works! I mean, it doesn't yet feel the same as the other chakras but it definitely shows some activity now. I guess I missed that one from the treatise...
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: KiLeigh on July 23, 2003, 15:48:50
Post by: KiLeigh on July 23, 2003, 15:48:50
Yea! A post for newbies![:)] I'm really shy (something along the lines of being afraid of people). I'm really new, I started learning at a place called the underground dragon, but I couldn't get anything to work for me, it was way too complicated, it was about pyro, cryo, areo, electro, and tele-kinesis. Then the site moved to a new and better one called Veritas but I got lost there as well. Now I'm here and this site seems to work alot better for me, I like the way Robert Bruce teaches. I'm still a little confused with some of the topics of conversation here. but I suppose it'll get better as I learn more. Anyways thanx for making this post.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Squeek on July 23, 2003, 20:14:31
Post by: Squeek on July 23, 2003, 20:14:31
Ok just for the "newbies" that read this, I'd like to paste something I posted on another topic (take a guess -.- )
It's ok to have fun here, I'm not discouraging you in any way. Just try to keep it in moderation! Anybody that knows me KNOWS that I like to post funny stuff, because that's the way I am. If the way you are is making 5 new topics a day to up your post count to get STARS!!! then you have to change your attitude, because things get troubling on these forums when people don't like what they see.
All I'm saying (to sum it up) is that we all need to calm down and take the time to post in the right places, the right lingo, and the right attitude.
~Squeek
PS - this is not in the right place. :D
quote:
Ok there's some things that people deperately need to know. First, make sure you're posting on the right forum. "stars", the most irrelevant thing on this forum EVER, should be posted on Astral Chat, as it has nothing to do with OBE discussions.
Two - Please!!!!!! Make your topics about what you WRITE about!!! Don't make a topic about how to get stars and then write plz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the most annoying thing ever, and nobody will tell you!
Three - Use the SEARCH function!!! The discussion on stars has been brought up MANY MANY times. Look for it, don't make a new topic!!
Four - I'm with Nay on this. Perhaps we should institute these "rules" (more like guidelines) before your first post. Like, when you sign up, it tells you these things (as if anyone will read them :) ) The amount of useless topics/posts has been rising way too much, seeming to have no end. Maybe someone could PM these certain people and just remind them that this place does have basic rules to follow...
THANKS!!
~Squeek
Ps - Caps are bad. Don't talk in all caps. Please!!!
It's ok to have fun here, I'm not discouraging you in any way. Just try to keep it in moderation! Anybody that knows me KNOWS that I like to post funny stuff, because that's the way I am. If the way you are is making 5 new topics a day to up your post count to get STARS!!! then you have to change your attitude, because things get troubling on these forums when people don't like what they see.
All I'm saying (to sum it up) is that we all need to calm down and take the time to post in the right places, the right lingo, and the right attitude.
~Squeek
PS - this is not in the right place. :D
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Cassandra on July 23, 2003, 21:22:54
Post by: Cassandra on July 23, 2003, 21:22:54
I'm new here too. I have recently rekindled my interest in astral projection after being scared off approximately fifteen years ago. I had some very frightening experiences that made me wonder if I was tinkering with things that were potentially dangerous in ways I couldn't possibly know.
I was frequently visited by the thing that Robert Bruce calls the Dweller (I think that's what he called it... not sure). This thing threw me into what I call 'mortal fear' or 'primal fear'. I finally succeded in overcoming my fear and figuratively grabbing the thing and saying something obnoxious to it. It hasn't been back since, but after that, I struggled with trying to decide whether it was a manifestation of my fear or if it had objective reality. I decided to stop just in case the latter was true. Way back in the old days, there wasn't much info out there about projection.
Back then, I was very proficient at projecting but now I am back to square one. I'm really glad I came across Astral Dynamics because it explained a lot of my experiences to me and helps me to take a step toward believing that I can't be harmed by doing this.
I'm currently working on inducing the trance state and using BWGen also. I haven't quite figured out BWGen yet. I've managed to create a CD from one of the presets in the trial version but anything more complex is beyond me at this point.
I was frequently visited by the thing that Robert Bruce calls the Dweller (I think that's what he called it... not sure). This thing threw me into what I call 'mortal fear' or 'primal fear'. I finally succeded in overcoming my fear and figuratively grabbing the thing and saying something obnoxious to it. It hasn't been back since, but after that, I struggled with trying to decide whether it was a manifestation of my fear or if it had objective reality. I decided to stop just in case the latter was true. Way back in the old days, there wasn't much info out there about projection.
Back then, I was very proficient at projecting but now I am back to square one. I'm really glad I came across Astral Dynamics because it explained a lot of my experiences to me and helps me to take a step toward believing that I can't be harmed by doing this.
I'm currently working on inducing the trance state and using BWGen also. I haven't quite figured out BWGen yet. I've managed to create a CD from one of the presets in the trial version but anything more complex is beyond me at this point.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: strwrs_guru on July 23, 2003, 22:06:17
Post by: strwrs_guru on July 23, 2003, 22:06:17
fredhedd, i still consider myself a newbie but i do post. i do have to admit i would rather get up to date advice rather than going into the past posts to retrive information. squeek doesnt like this but i have to admit i am looking for human interaction as well as information. answering a post, even if its a repeated topic, shows a little more caring to the average person. i feel that we are a rare (well maybe not rare) breed here. most of us are starting to realise that there is more to this place called reality than we are being taught. our organized religions want us to go down their preconceived road, our scientists want us to believe their "theories"are more than just that, etc........ we here at this website are "waking up out of the matrix". we need to stick together more and help even when it seems trivial.
thanks for reading my rant.[:D]
thanks for reading my rant.[:D]
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Trace on July 23, 2003, 22:58:58
Post by: Trace on July 23, 2003, 22:58:58
A little while back, after just reading posts, I registered and mustered up the courage to post an experience and ask for ideas. One kind person, TerryB, gave me some pointers, which did help. TerryB also pointed me towards "Astral Dynamics" which I purchased and am now studying (just started NEW practice today). But given the relative lack of interest in my post (I had gotten partially out of my body), I retreated back to reading posts after having a dialogue with TerryB.
Anyway, I have been in a quandry about this. I don't want to burden the Forum's veteran participants with elementary questions they've seen and/or responded to many times before; But I also know that when I get farther along in my development I will want to help every new person I can. But I decided to err on the side of caution.
So, fredhedd, thank you for starting this thread. Here's what I'd welcome ideas on: I can quickly and reliably get into the trance state (mind awake/body asleep). I'm not so reliable at evoking the vibes, and in the last few months I've had 2 partial OBEs (got partway out of the physical body). I suspect I need to deepen my trance, though my physical body does go to sleep and snore (I can hear it). How can I deepen the vibes?
Anyway, I have been in a quandry about this. I don't want to burden the Forum's veteran participants with elementary questions they've seen and/or responded to many times before; But I also know that when I get farther along in my development I will want to help every new person I can. But I decided to err on the side of caution.
So, fredhedd, thank you for starting this thread. Here's what I'd welcome ideas on: I can quickly and reliably get into the trance state (mind awake/body asleep). I'm not so reliable at evoking the vibes, and in the last few months I've had 2 partial OBEs (got partway out of the physical body). I suspect I need to deepen my trance, though my physical body does go to sleep and snore (I can hear it). How can I deepen the vibes?
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: mystic rose on July 24, 2003, 09:40:51
Post by: mystic rose on July 24, 2003, 09:40:51
sorry to lol but u are sooo funny fredhedd lol[:D]
I've given myself a kick in the butt and ask for u kind help,maybe fredhedd u could read my post about universal astral projection -obe and give me an appion as to what happened with my experince
thanx heaps fredhedd
your funny [:)]
I've given myself a kick in the butt and ask for u kind help,maybe fredhedd u could read my post about universal astral projection -obe and give me an appion as to what happened with my experince
thanx heaps fredhedd
your funny [:)]
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 24, 2003, 13:02:38
Post by: fredhedd on July 24, 2003, 13:02:38
grigori, i dont know of any glossary here. there were a few terms that i didn' tknow about either at first. like, imho means in my honest opinion. this one got me for a little while. just ask.
pdb, great. i am not sure if it was definetly in the treatise or not but i remember reading it somewhere. robert bruce just comes to mind wheni think about it so that's why i thought treatise.
kileigh, i've never heard of the underground dragon you are talking about. have you read ad yet?
cassandra, i had some incidences w/ the dweller too. i read about him first though and it made the experience a lot of fun. otherwise it would probably have been scary. i remember telling the dweller that i wanted to be his friend in a very sarcastic voice and telling him if he kills me i wouldn't be able to do that. he hasn't been back since.
strwrs, i know what you mean about waking up out of the matrix. it feels good to 'know' that we are kind of seeing through a lot of the bovine excrement. i used to disbelieve in all of this. i was hard-headed and really thought i was right. i thought all of the people discussing this type of thing were crazy or wanting attention. now i feel that i am 'right' again. that feeling that i have of being right is the same feeling that everyone else in teh world has about what they are doing. all of the religious followers, all of the atheists, all feel that they are right as well. this doesn't have to be on such a grand scale either. it could be something smaller like what kind of music you listen to or how to drive. it helps me to to keep an open mind now, instead of just believing that i am right again. there is a chance that many of the things i believe in now are not what they seem.
it feels that 'we', as in the people here on this forum, are right in believing and thinking what we do. even if it's unsaid, or unacknowledged, most of us feel that we see things more clearly than others. kind of like we are a step above. as long as that type of thought exists in any of our minds, we are not any better off and no different. to really be that step above we've got to be as neutral as possible. we've got to be sure that when we are 'waking up out of the matrix' that we aren't waking up directly into another. one that is going to be even harder to wake up out of becaused of the renewed faith we have in it. it's very easy to fall into that.
trace, don't worry about asking questions that have been asked. i've been a member on a lot of forums where people get yelled at for that. i've never seen that happen here and on the contrary, i very much like answering all of the questions. it actually feels good not to care about repeating myself. usualy you'll just be pointed in the direction of the post that would help. a search though, should bring up almost anything you need to know about. there are only a few of us that can actually project consistently here. all of the rest of us you could say are beginnners as well.
as for your vibes - i would suggest keeping up on the n.e.w. i remember being in trance waiting for the vibes to happen all of the time. i hadn't started doing new yet. anytime i am in a deep trance now and i start raising energy they come on pretty strong. i remember reading something about not doing energy work while in trance somewhere. maybe it was in ad. it may have said something like it would be better to develop your energy body first, during normal daily activities, or just in a slightly relaxed state first. too much energy raising in the beginning will make for frail energy pathways and could be detrimental later. when you are in deep trance, energy raising is so easy. the slightest thought gets some major energetic sensations.
also it's important to not move your physical body in the slightest bit while you are projecting. it's strictly a mental action. i've failed many times right on the brink of exit due to me trying to project physically, and not mentally. i wanted to project so bad that i started to move parts of my body to kind of help. i didn't even know it was happening till a month or so later. pay close attention to what's going on.
thanks mystic. i'll ck your post out.
pdb, great. i am not sure if it was definetly in the treatise or not but i remember reading it somewhere. robert bruce just comes to mind wheni think about it so that's why i thought treatise.
kileigh, i've never heard of the underground dragon you are talking about. have you read ad yet?
cassandra, i had some incidences w/ the dweller too. i read about him first though and it made the experience a lot of fun. otherwise it would probably have been scary. i remember telling the dweller that i wanted to be his friend in a very sarcastic voice and telling him if he kills me i wouldn't be able to do that. he hasn't been back since.
strwrs, i know what you mean about waking up out of the matrix. it feels good to 'know' that we are kind of seeing through a lot of the bovine excrement. i used to disbelieve in all of this. i was hard-headed and really thought i was right. i thought all of the people discussing this type of thing were crazy or wanting attention. now i feel that i am 'right' again. that feeling that i have of being right is the same feeling that everyone else in teh world has about what they are doing. all of the religious followers, all of the atheists, all feel that they are right as well. this doesn't have to be on such a grand scale either. it could be something smaller like what kind of music you listen to or how to drive. it helps me to to keep an open mind now, instead of just believing that i am right again. there is a chance that many of the things i believe in now are not what they seem.
it feels that 'we', as in the people here on this forum, are right in believing and thinking what we do. even if it's unsaid, or unacknowledged, most of us feel that we see things more clearly than others. kind of like we are a step above. as long as that type of thought exists in any of our minds, we are not any better off and no different. to really be that step above we've got to be as neutral as possible. we've got to be sure that when we are 'waking up out of the matrix' that we aren't waking up directly into another. one that is going to be even harder to wake up out of becaused of the renewed faith we have in it. it's very easy to fall into that.
trace, don't worry about asking questions that have been asked. i've been a member on a lot of forums where people get yelled at for that. i've never seen that happen here and on the contrary, i very much like answering all of the questions. it actually feels good not to care about repeating myself. usualy you'll just be pointed in the direction of the post that would help. a search though, should bring up almost anything you need to know about. there are only a few of us that can actually project consistently here. all of the rest of us you could say are beginnners as well.
as for your vibes - i would suggest keeping up on the n.e.w. i remember being in trance waiting for the vibes to happen all of the time. i hadn't started doing new yet. anytime i am in a deep trance now and i start raising energy they come on pretty strong. i remember reading something about not doing energy work while in trance somewhere. maybe it was in ad. it may have said something like it would be better to develop your energy body first, during normal daily activities, or just in a slightly relaxed state first. too much energy raising in the beginning will make for frail energy pathways and could be detrimental later. when you are in deep trance, energy raising is so easy. the slightest thought gets some major energetic sensations.
also it's important to not move your physical body in the slightest bit while you are projecting. it's strictly a mental action. i've failed many times right on the brink of exit due to me trying to project physically, and not mentally. i wanted to project so bad that i started to move parts of my body to kind of help. i didn't even know it was happening till a month or so later. pay close attention to what's going on.
thanks mystic. i'll ck your post out.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 24, 2003, 14:26:07
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 24, 2003, 14:26:07
Hello greatoutdoors! Welcome to the forum, as well as all the others that are new here.
So what are your questions, greatoutdoors? I have not seen any of your posts where you have asked any. Sorry.
So what are your questions, greatoutdoors? I have not seen any of your posts where you have asked any. Sorry.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 24, 2003, 14:35:07
Post by: fredhedd on July 24, 2003, 14:35:07
hey greatoutdoors. i only saw one of your posts where you asked an unanswered question. astral projection and oobe are the same thing. post the rest of your q's here and i'll ask my magic eight ball for the answers.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: georg19 on July 24, 2003, 15:20:11
Post by: georg19 on July 24, 2003, 15:20:11
Hello Fredhedd. I am one of those people not putting any messages in
the forum..I have been trying to ap for awhile now but im getting
there. My main problem is that I am a light sleeper. I have had approx four or five lucid dreams that I can remember . They only lasted seconds due to me trying too hard to extend the experience.
I enjoy reading the ideas and outcome that some of the other people are sending in. I will someday reach my goal.... hopefuly soon
ps........ keep up the good work
[V]
the forum..I have been trying to ap for awhile now but im getting
there. My main problem is that I am a light sleeper. I have had approx four or five lucid dreams that I can remember . They only lasted seconds due to me trying too hard to extend the experience.
I enjoy reading the ideas and outcome that some of the other people are sending in. I will someday reach my goal.... hopefuly soon
ps........ keep up the good work
[V]
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: strwrs_guru on July 24, 2003, 19:42:30
Post by: strwrs_guru on July 24, 2003, 19:42:30
thanks fredhedd........i will try to keep it interesting instead of repetative. but i and the other newbies do appreciate your nudging.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Squeek on July 24, 2003, 19:48:02
Post by: Squeek on July 24, 2003, 19:48:02
well strwrs, when you post on an old topic, it is brought to the top of the list as the "newest" post. Look at the old OLD topic "Ki ball pictures". That one falls onto page 4, but people find it, and post on it. Since then, it's gained like 20 more posts!
~Squeek
~Squeek
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Trace on July 24, 2003, 21:36:37
Post by: Trace on July 24, 2003, 21:36:37
fredhedd,
Thank you so much for your thoughts on developing the vibes using NEW. I had a hunch I was headed in a productive direction, and now I'm more confident about it. My experiences have shown that a bit of confidence in this type of work is empowering. Being new at the practice of NEW, I only do energy development directly BEFORE going into trance. Even in just a relaxed state, the results are impressive.
Another question: When practicing NEW, I always do it with my physical eyes closed. But I have noticed that behind my closed eyelids my physical eyes move around to where I am working, and even move in circles and brushsrokes when I'm doing those movements with my point of awareness. My closed eyes are following my point of awareness's every move. Should I try to have them stop that?
Thank you so much for your thoughts on developing the vibes using NEW. I had a hunch I was headed in a productive direction, and now I'm more confident about it. My experiences have shown that a bit of confidence in this type of work is empowering. Being new at the practice of NEW, I only do energy development directly BEFORE going into trance. Even in just a relaxed state, the results are impressive.
Another question: When practicing NEW, I always do it with my physical eyes closed. But I have noticed that behind my closed eyelids my physical eyes move around to where I am working, and even move in circles and brushsrokes when I'm doing those movements with my point of awareness. My closed eyes are following my point of awareness's every move. Should I try to have them stop that?
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 24, 2003, 23:13:17
Post by: fredhedd on July 24, 2003, 23:13:17
georg19, i'm not sure what kind of problems you are having due to you being a light sleeper. if you can be more specific it would help.
trace, be sure to feel comfortable w/ your energy body development before you attempt any primary center activity during trance. i only suggest raising energy while in trance to promote the vibes. actually, you don't even have to raise energy during trance as much as raise awareness. try moving your awareness up and down your body, instead of just in one direction. this should stop any energy raising and promote more of a total body awareness instead. you should feel some pretty heavy energetic sensations while in trance.
do whatever it takes to get the new system to start working for you. if you've already felt some sensations though, you should try and stop all visual aid. the slightest concentration on anything but the feeling will take away from what new was actually designed for. it also takes away from how impressive the system actually is. it took me about six months to feel comfortable moving the energy around my body before i tried to stop all visual imagination. about two months ago i managed to completely cut out everything but the actually feeling. i can't stress enough how much i've progressed since then. i can get major energetic sensations throughout my entire body in about two seconds. i wasn't able to do this while visualizing.
as soon as you can, stop the eye movement. it's surprising how much more effective new is when the only thing you are aware of is the feeling. eyes closed, eyes shut, it makes no difference. if you find yourself visualizing or doing anything but feeling the feeling, stop it. it's better to correct things now than try and break habits later.
strwrs, i don't know what you mean by trying to keep it interesting and less repetitive. i didn't think you were doing anyhing like that and didn't mean to imply it.
and i don't know what squeek is talking about the old post thing for. did i miss something?
trace, be sure to feel comfortable w/ your energy body development before you attempt any primary center activity during trance. i only suggest raising energy while in trance to promote the vibes. actually, you don't even have to raise energy during trance as much as raise awareness. try moving your awareness up and down your body, instead of just in one direction. this should stop any energy raising and promote more of a total body awareness instead. you should feel some pretty heavy energetic sensations while in trance.
do whatever it takes to get the new system to start working for you. if you've already felt some sensations though, you should try and stop all visual aid. the slightest concentration on anything but the feeling will take away from what new was actually designed for. it also takes away from how impressive the system actually is. it took me about six months to feel comfortable moving the energy around my body before i tried to stop all visual imagination. about two months ago i managed to completely cut out everything but the actually feeling. i can't stress enough how much i've progressed since then. i can get major energetic sensations throughout my entire body in about two seconds. i wasn't able to do this while visualizing.
as soon as you can, stop the eye movement. it's surprising how much more effective new is when the only thing you are aware of is the feeling. eyes closed, eyes shut, it makes no difference. if you find yourself visualizing or doing anything but feeling the feeling, stop it. it's better to correct things now than try and break habits later.
strwrs, i don't know what you mean by trying to keep it interesting and less repetitive. i didn't think you were doing anyhing like that and didn't mean to imply it.
and i don't know what squeek is talking about the old post thing for. did i miss something?
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Trace on July 25, 2003, 15:13:52
Post by: Trace on July 25, 2003, 15:13:52
fredhedd,
I think perhaps I didn't communicate clearly in my last post. When working with the NEW system, I am not visualizing or seeing anything, and my eyes are closed (physical and otherwise). I am just following the feeling at my point of awareness. That is, until my mind wanders or I lose focus. It was during such a break in concentration that I noticed my closed physical eyes were following me (my point of awareness) around. Do your eyes do that? I'm not looking with them or aware of using them in any way.
I think perhaps I didn't communicate clearly in my last post. When working with the NEW system, I am not visualizing or seeing anything, and my eyes are closed (physical and otherwise). I am just following the feeling at my point of awareness. That is, until my mind wanders or I lose focus. It was during such a break in concentration that I noticed my closed physical eyes were following me (my point of awareness) around. Do your eyes do that? I'm not looking with them or aware of using them in any way.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: strwrs_guru on July 25, 2003, 17:10:57
Post by: strwrs_guru on July 25, 2003, 17:10:57
fredhedd........... squeek doesnt like to answer already asked and answered questions. he thinks we should be using the file library. and i do agree this is a good way to get info, i just like to hear it from our current gold members, etc. we as the newbies cannot help thinking our problems we experience are exclusive to our individual selves, we just dont know any better.......yet.
and i didnt mean to imply that you didnt like to talk to us.....i just got that impression from squeek. i wrongly assumed all the gold members wouldnt want to deal with our repeating questions.
it really helps us to know that some of you more senior members wont tear us a new one for asking a frequently asked question.
thanks for the help again.
and no offense squeek, we didnt mean to annoy you in any way, its just some of these sensations are really freaky the first couple of times.
and i didnt mean to imply that you didnt like to talk to us.....i just got that impression from squeek. i wrongly assumed all the gold members wouldnt want to deal with our repeating questions.
it really helps us to know that some of you more senior members wont tear us a new one for asking a frequently asked question.
thanks for the help again.
and no offense squeek, we didnt mean to annoy you in any way, its just some of these sensations are really freaky the first couple of times.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: Tisha on July 25, 2003, 18:12:16
Post by: Tisha on July 25, 2003, 18:12:16
Hello everybody, it's so nice to hear from you.
I think I might know what's behind the dearth of responses to elementary questions these days. Our most experienced projectors have already written one treatise after another on their experiences, along with vast quantities of advice for the many who've come before y'all. I guess they're too pooped to do it over and over and over?
I highly recommend the "search" function near the top of the page. Put in a topic (i.e., vibrations, trance, meditate, NEW, whatever) and see what pops up. Also, check Frank's archived posts; there's a gold mine there!
I think what we need now is a "newbie" who's very experienced with OBE. That'll get the advice flowing again!
As for little moi, I've been "grounded" from OBEs for awhile. I had a vague recollection of an involuntary OBE last week, but it was so unremarkable I didn't even write it down.
I think I might know what's behind the dearth of responses to elementary questions these days. Our most experienced projectors have already written one treatise after another on their experiences, along with vast quantities of advice for the many who've come before y'all. I guess they're too pooped to do it over and over and over?
I highly recommend the "search" function near the top of the page. Put in a topic (i.e., vibrations, trance, meditate, NEW, whatever) and see what pops up. Also, check Frank's archived posts; there's a gold mine there!
I think what we need now is a "newbie" who's very experienced with OBE. That'll get the advice flowing again!
As for little moi, I've been "grounded" from OBEs for awhile. I had a vague recollection of an involuntary OBE last week, but it was so unremarkable I didn't even write it down.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: darkangel13 on July 25, 2003, 20:25:10
Post by: darkangel13 on July 25, 2003, 20:25:10
ShadowWatcher"pg 1": DBZ? the people who talk about DBZ on these forums are people who have an 'alternative' *cough* fake *cough* view of ki and chi. They think you can fly, create chi blasts, energy beams and etc. Cool, but not realistic...
Not to be defensive, but DBZ would have to be my favorite show, and although some don't get it, i don't have an altered view on reality as you say...i'm not offended, but that is a stereotypical statement, and someone might be offended by it or one like it...just thought i'd speak my mind[:I]
Not to be defensive, but DBZ would have to be my favorite show, and although some don't get it, i don't have an altered view on reality as you say...i'm not offended, but that is a stereotypical statement, and someone might be offended by it or one like it...just thought i'd speak my mind[:I]
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: jilola on July 25, 2003, 20:35:51
Post by: jilola on July 25, 2003, 20:35:51
I'll second the search function [:D]
Only just tonight I suggested to a user to search for posts about phasing and he was inundated with threads. The amount of information on these boards is becoming downright unbelievable!
I doubt any regular would not respond to a sincere questions no matter how simple of often asked.
I for one will reply to anything I feel I have something sensible to say and offer suggestions when not.
And someone please send some bottled sense so that I can untangle my dreams and projections. They are getting too weird [xx(]
2cents & L&L
jouni
Only just tonight I suggested to a user to search for posts about phasing and he was inundated with threads. The amount of information on these boards is becoming downright unbelievable!
I doubt any regular would not respond to a sincere questions no matter how simple of often asked.
I for one will reply to anything I feel I have something sensible to say and offer suggestions when not.
And someone please send some bottled sense so that I can untangle my dreams and projections. They are getting too weird [xx(]
2cents & L&L
jouni
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 26, 2003, 02:35:27
Post by: fredhedd on July 26, 2003, 02:35:27
trace, you weren't unclear in your post. in my response i was trying to get across how much more effective new can be if you are focusing on just the feeling. anything else that you are doing is going to take away from the results. if your eyes are moving around while moving awareness it will take away something. it may not be that imposing, but every little bit helps. maintaining focus is another story. keeping your attention somewhere is a very hard thing to do at first.
i agree w/ the search feature. i don't mind answering the questions though and if it helps getting new members to start posting, i'm all for it. even though the majority of the questions ahve been answered already, it feels so much better to get a one on one. i'm sure it helps a lot w/ motivation.
is there anyone else that is reading this, having problems and not posting or makiing progress yet? now's the time.
i agree w/ the search feature. i don't mind answering the questions though and if it helps getting new members to start posting, i'm all for it. even though the majority of the questions ahve been answered already, it feels so much better to get a one on one. i'm sure it helps a lot w/ motivation.
is there anyone else that is reading this, having problems and not posting or makiing progress yet? now's the time.
Title: a post for the newbies
Post by: fredhedd on July 22, 2003, 04:22:09
Post by: fredhedd on July 22, 2003, 04:22:09
there are a sh**load of people that are members on the forum that have never posted. for whatever reason it's happening, stop it. take this oppurtunity to post here. you are all members here for a reason. i suspect to find help in projecting. there are thousands of posts you can read here and the treatises, but if you are experiencing a problem that isn't clearly defined, then you are going to have trouble. post your problems here. i will try my best to help you, as will the others. have a nice, unshy, not afraid to post day.[:)]