Are visualization skills required to do astral projection?
Please help because I'm unable to visualize things. All I see when I close my eyes is darkness :(
Hello! You need to use your mind for visualize a scene, which you create. Of course we see blackness, but you need to use your mind and not your eyes. Your mind needs to create something, which switches on the projection. I'm practicing the same : ) Others who have more visual skills, will see colors, shapes on their screen, and some people just not seeing anything, but it is not necessary. This is a mental act, which is not physical.
Get a random place in your mind - sandy beach, grassy countryside etc. - and make a simple scene where you go in the grass for example and interact with some objects around you, feel them if you want but not overdoing, because it will strain you or wake your mind up really. Just keep it simple and enough attractive to watch that and not your body.
I hope it helps.
Nope, you only need to stay aware of yourself as a concious point in the darkness. If you can ignore the darkness as well as all other senses this will speed things up.
You go to sleep ignoring everything that you'd normally sense and if you can keep your awareness intact your body will fall asleep as its already programmed to do so. You'll start off becoming aware of a dream scene and you'll have your full awareness. Once this occurs (many attempts may be required) you can stop the dream scene and this will put you in another grainy darkness that had a feel of depth to it.
At this point you only need to think of something and it'll manifest as here thoughts do all the driving.
It sounds easy, it can be if you have no fears (important as they'll manifest) and not doubt yourself being able to succeed. This can stop you as its a thought that'll manifest.
That's the basics and lots of practice is required.
You may feel your not breathing and your heart is racing like crazy, ignore these as they'll be your first tests to overcome. An overwhelming emotion of any type should also be ignored as this too is another test. These are pointers you'll find along the way to success.
Avoid thinking of the body, this in itself is your get out clause in any experience.
Thank you guys for replying. I started my serious attempts on astral projection yesterday in the morning around 10:00. I hope it doesn't take too long. But I think I'll keep trying everyday for at least one year. I think I have the time this year, I got no job after all :D Yesterday I felt my heart beating like strong beats but I didn't make it to the sleep paralysis or the vibrations stages. I kept telling myself that I'm aware and I need to keep my calm. But I felt some weak vibrations or itching sensations in my legs and that's all! Is there a required duration for a practicing session? I spent like 15-25 minutes.
I'm doing it since 9 months : ) My session times are around 50 minutes. Don't give up, even if you have months of unsuccessful attempts and don't force it. Just implement it to your days. I don't work too, so we have plenty of time to practice - if the hotness of summer goes away lol.
I experienced the most symptoms too in the beginning. Strong heartbeat which is not your heart, floating parts, itching, restless muscles and a few more like heatwave which is the only sign for me that I know I'm close. So theres no recommended time, it depends on the individual I guess.
My type is the detailed one so I needed to pass every "stages" and after that you will be more familiar with them. Even if you are scared or easily distracted, you will not care about any body sensations and you will have more mental attention on the process itself. I'm just saying these from my experiences.
Quote from: Phildan1 on July 10, 2016, 08:56:29
Hello! You need to use your mind for visualize a scene, which you create. Of course we see blackness, but you need to use your mind and not your eyes. Your mind needs to create something, which switches on the projection. I'm practicing the same : ) Others who have more visual skills, will see colors, shapes on their screen, and some people just not seeing anything, but it is not necessary. This is a mental act, which is not physical.
Get a random place in your mind - sandy beach, grassy countryside etc. - and make a simple scene where you go in the grass for example and interact with some objects around you, feel them if you want but not overdoing, because it will strain you or wake your mind up really. Just keep it simple and enough attractive to watch that and not your body.
I hope it helps.
Is visualization same as seeing but with your eyes closed? I mean do you visualize things in colors and in details?
There are some talented guys, who can see that way if eyes are closed and do the mental work. I think most of us can't se anything and no, this work is done without your eyes - it is physical and needs to be relaxed and not move.
If you are doing it right and it is enough engaging, you could see it more vividly. I can explain it as I experience it. It is mental work and it runs in the background. You defocus your eyes and use your imagination to make a scenery. It's purpose is to detach from the physical enough to make the projection reflex happen. I'm the kind of practice a lot to see the results, so give yourself enough time : ) But as Szaxx said, it could become a dream scene.
If you PM me I can help you further from my early days experiences, and see what is ok with your attempts. But I still can't achieve full conscious projections yet so there's no need to hurry in this practice.
Quote from: Phildan1 on July 10, 2016, 11:20:50
There are some talented guys, who can see that way if eyes are closed and do the mental work. I think most of us can't se anything and no, this work is done without your eyes - it is physical and needs to be relaxed and not move.
If you are doing it right and it is enough engaging, you could see it more vividly. I can explain it as I experience it. It is mental work and it runs in the background. You defocus your eyes and use your imagination to make a scenery. It's purpose is to detach from the physical enough to make the projection reflex happen. I'm the kind of practice a lot to see the results, so give yourself enough time : ) But as Szaxx said, it could become a dream scene.
If you PM me I can help you further from my early days experiences, and see what is ok with your attempts. But I still can't achieve full conscious projections yet so there's no need to hurry in this practice.
Thank you sir good day to you :)
Quote from: fatfooty on July 10, 2016, 07:58:46
Are visualization skills required to do astral projection?
Please help because I'm unable to visualize things. All I see when I close my eyes is darkness :(
All you *SEE* is blackness? That's fine.
You're making the same mistake most people do... "visualization" has nothing to do with physically SEEING what you're visualizing.
Read this: http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?205-Part-2-NO-Visualization
It's probably one of the few things Robert Bruce and I wholefully seem to agree upon. LoL
Everyone can visualize. Start with a simple geometric shape like a square. Close your eyes and see a square. Now a triangle, now a circle. There, that's visualizing.
Here's a simple method to help you with more. Always start with something easy though, because if you can't see results with something easy, you will likely give up on this whole idea period. There's no race here. You do get back what you put into it though.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html
Quote from: fatfooty on July 10, 2016, 07:58:46
Are visualization skills required to do astral projection?
Please help because I'm unable to visualize things. All I see when I close my eyes is darkness :(
Visualising is not required to ap but it can help. It does not matter how bad you are at visualising you can just do your best and still ap from it. I am extremely bad at visualising and I ap from it.
Still don't get difference between imagination and visualisation , for example when i imagine my city and flying in the streets and like my visiion is real copy of city is it visualisation or imagining :D?
I don't know if there really is a difference between imagination and visualization. It may just be semantics, however, there is something real there potentially. I can pretend as if there are things behind my closed eyes, but it isn't the same as imaging that you are living another life somewhere. If you are calm and lucky you may slowly witness the transition of that type of imagination into a dream. I think that doing the other type works for projection too but I haven't done it.
Quote from: fatfooty on July 10, 2016, 07:58:46
Are visualization skills required to do astral projection?
Please help because I'm unable to visualize things. All I see when I close my eyes is darkness :(
I believe that by visualization experts mean indeed the art of creating targeted images in the mind. Like you I do not find this easy . However, creating specific images may not be all there is. I find that with my eyes closed and my mind reasonably empty ,images pop up spontaneously before my «inner eye». I do not have control over these images, nor would I want to interfere. Such images involve landscapes and people mirroring my waking memory. I understand why experts want us to be able to construct specific images. However, my sense is that we have to place ourselves in the position of passive observers if we want to explore other planes of being.
Don't expect an image as real as you'd see with your eyes to appear with a couple of attempts, it doesn't, like any skill, getting proficiency requires a lot of training.
To start, simply imagining an image is enough. You see nothing but blackness but you hold your image in mind. To develop this into a crystal clear image you need to be deep in the phase where thoughts start to manifest. At this point your body may have already gone to sleep and perhaps the vibrations have been sensed.
This deep, it's easy to create a scene and jump into it.
Getting there can take a long time.
Practice makes perfect.
Quote from: Positive3 on July 11, 2016, 05:52:15
Still don't get difference between imagination and visualisation , for example when i imagine my city and flying in the streets and like my visiion is real copy of city is it visualisation or imagining :D?
Exactly why people are confused. Just like "AP" and "LD" are the same thing... "imagination" and "visualization" are the same thing.
Remember, there's nothing "visual" about visualization. You don't SEE what you're visualizing. You "perceive" it.
It's like if I asked you to remember a happy memory of you in the past. When you remember it, you don't SEE it... you perceive it.
Once you go from perceiving something to SEEING it, then you're no longer visualizing, you've now moved into something more akin to remote viewing.
So that means i perceive it not by image but by something else?
Whenever I try to remember someone I know 's face with my eyes closed, I SEE nothing but darkness. But I can somehow perceive a blurry picture of him or her. I can also tell the details of their face. Is this like visualization?
The visual in visualisation is so you see the point sort of. Not actually seeing it. You can see sense in someone's comments as you understand what they are saying. In this you percieve what they are getting at. Or you'd comment ' I see what you mean'.
Hi fatfooty. Imagine you are seeing the Earth from outer space. Imagine it as round but not perfectly so. Imagine it is mostly blue and green. Now imagine you see the figure of a man or a woman standing on top of the Earth. All you see is a silhouette.
Anyone can do this but you most likely saw nothing with your eyes except the writing on your screen as you were reading this. That is visualization, it is just a very poor choice of words.
Quote from: serge on July 11, 2016, 10:04:26
I find that with my eyes closed and my mind reasonably empty ,images pop up spontaneously before my «inner eye». I do not have control over these images, nor would I want to interfere. Such images involve landscapes and people mirroring my waking memory.
Hi Serge. Your statement above is the definition of Phasing. You could jump start the process though by using your imagination. But soon, the scene will take on it's own life. That is when you need to hold your focus on the scenario at hand, which in turn takes your focus away from your physical body and "allows" your consciousness the opportunity to explore without a "vessel" to worry about.
Phasing occurs when you allow yourself to be immersed in a scenario outside of this physical reality.
I have a technique that makes it so much easier whereas I simply focus on my physical body/form at first. Then I watch as it disappears piece by piece. Once it is gone from site, the only thing left is consciousness. That technique is great for removing pain as well.
I think people make the act of visualizing harder than it is. Think of your favorite hobby or sport. Think of a certain "word". Now close your eyes and view it. It's that easy. You don' have to get into creating elaborate fully vivid things. Start easy with something like a geometric shape or a apple, banana, etc. The key is to learn to "hold" that focus. Watching a candle burn in a dark room is great for this because if done long enough, a imprint of the flame/burning candle is created that can be seen immediately after you close your eyes.
Quote from: Lumaza on July 11, 2016, 19:00:41
Watching a candle burn in a dark room is great for this because if done long enough, a imprint of the flame/burning candle is created that can be seen immediately after you close your eyes.
After I sun gaze and close my eyes I see a blueish flame in the center of my head. I didn't try the candle technique though.
Quote from: Lumaza on July 11, 2016, 19:00:41
Phasing occurs when you allow yourself to be immersed in a scenario outside of this physical reality.
Watching a candle burn in a dark room is great for this because if done long enough, a imprint of the flame/burning candle is created that can be seen immediately after you close your eyes.
Ah ha, thanks for the definition of Phasing. :)
The other night our power was out for several hours. I lit a lantern and just sat and stared at the shadows. That worked really really well.
Interesting thought watching the dancing shadows. You'd be able to add false images giving character to the dancing shadows as the flame licks the air around it.
I might try this when the opportunity arises.
Quote from: Szaxx on July 11, 2016, 20:42:21
Interesting thought watching the dancing shadows. You'd be able to add false images giving character to the dancing shadows as the flame licks the air around it.
I might try this when the opportunity arises.
Definitely try it! I wasn't. Just sitting in the dark watching the shadows dance and BAM - I was out
there. What I want more than anything is understanding of the images. :(
ETA - my fingers can't type
Quote from: Nameless on July 11, 2016, 20:03:28
Ah ha, thanks for the definition of Phasing. :)
Here is a fantastic introductory thread to introduce you to the Art/skill of Phasing. Everything you find in this practice takes, well, just what it says "practice". You learn to develop and hone your skill further. But that also comes with patience, practice and perseverance. :-)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html
Quote from: Lumaza on July 11, 2016, 21:07:27
Here is a fantastic introductory thread to introduce you to the Art/skill of Phasing. Everything you find in this practice takes, well, just what it says "practice". You learn to develop and hone your skill further. But that also comes with patience, practice and perseverance. :-)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html
Thanks, I'll look at now as long as this storm will let me.
Quote from: Nameless on July 11, 2016, 20:46:32
Definitely try it! I wasn't. Just sitting in the dark watching the shadows dance and BAM - I was out there. What I want more than anything is understanding of the images. :(
ETA - my fingers can't type
Can you expand on your 'understanding of the images' desire?
Quote from: Szaxx on July 12, 2016, 05:33:32
Can you expand on your 'understanding of the images' desire?
Okay. First I am not talking about the astral stuff (that's just fluff). I'm referring to the maps, written text and symbols. I would like to be able to know what those are. Lots of stuff there but these aren't just imaginings, they come with the 'downloads'. Unless I can understand them there wouldn't seem to be a point.
Quote from: Nameless on July 12, 2016, 22:41:45
Okay. First I am not talking about the astral stuff (that's just fluff). I'm referring to the maps, written text and symbols. I would like to be able to know what those are. Lots of stuff there but these aren't just imaginings, they come with the 'downloads'. Unless I can understand them there wouldn't seem to be a point.
I know this isn't going to help you at all, but this is the conclusion I have come to. We do understand what those "symbols/texts and maps" mean. But this understanding is on a level that our "Human minds" can't comprehend. We are being shown what we need to be shown.
Why else would we be shown things and given "downloads"? if we couldn't understand them on some level, they wouldn't be necessary period! :wink:
Quote from: Lumaza on July 12, 2016, 23:08:41
if we couldn't understand them on some level, they wouldn't be necessary period! :wink:
Agreed, but aren't you curious as to what? :-)
It doesn't worry me but I do want to know what my 'other' awareness is up to. It's like wanting to know what the kids are up to when they're late getting home.
Quote from: Nameless on July 12, 2016, 23:13:45
Agreed, but aren't you curious as to what? :-)
It doesn't worry me but I do want to know what my 'other' awareness is up to. It's like wanting to know what the kids are up to when they're late getting home.
Indeed I am curious. Curiosity is a big part of Humanity itself. :wink: ...but then "trust" sets in and replaces the curiosity!
Quote from: Lumaza on July 12, 2016, 23:17:06
Indeed I am curious. Curiosity is a big part of Humanity itself. :wink: ...but then "trust" sets in and replaces the curiosity!
I'm thinking all these 'downloads' are leading us somewhere. I wonder if it will become apparent during this physical life time. I hope so. Do any of you know if there is anyone anywhere taking down all this info for comparison?
Quote from: Nameless on July 12, 2016, 23:21:24
Do any of you know if there is anyone anywhere taking down all this info for comparison?
I hope not! I know what my intentions are, but I don't know what other people's intention may be. :?
If these downloads were for everyone, then everyone would be speaking of them. But that tends to not be the case. At least people being "conscious" of them that is.
Yes- All these "downloads" are leading us somewhere; otherwise, we would have not experienced them or noted them. I don't have any more understanding than that I have had them and the fact that at the moment I received them, the knowledge that they were somehow very significant.
I have come to trust that that recognition is all that is required at the present moment. When I need to know more, I will be shown more...
All I can do presently is to remain open to more...
These experiences may also speak to the phenomenon of crop circles and the idea that they are communicating to us on very subconscious levels.
These events can also be looked upon as new experiences that are understood within new personal paradigms that will open and develop as our NP senses within a new area of the Non-Physical open and are realized.
Just like our first NP experiences challenge our sensory expectations, we are confused at first, but then we learn to incorporate the new sensory modality...
The downloads indeed remain somewhat mysterious.
That strange intuition you get from time to time where you see something and know what to do or not do is linked. Before any of these imprints (downloads) came along I only saw the same as many others do. Just what you percieve through eyesight. After a few of them I knew things outside of linear time. Some of these symbols were the triggers. You then recall the imprint as it unfurls into a perspective that you understand and instantly things fall into place. You know it's correct in which you have to react. It appears to be stored in your subconcious waiting for some event to place itself before you. As things unfurl it's hits you emotionally and if you don't react something or someone around you suffers.
The initial memories were very frustrating as I wanted more information on what it's all about. I was not given anything to do this and it left a bitter taste. Eventually events occurred and it started to fall into place. The instant info package unfolded and I knew what was taking place or would take place.
Early ones were changes in the physical environment where I lived. I knew so much far outside normality and every single one was 100% accurate. Some took a few days while others took 40 years to appear. You can't forget these too, they are imprinted within you. It's saved lives many times and scared the pants off so many when info I had was given. There's something going on with these and some don't come to light. It's almost the mentors supply the info just incase things change and the unaffected result is negative. You become a part in the change and can't do anything but react as imprinted. You do have a choice too, that's the bit where you need to be human. Do you react or not? Not reacting isn't an option, should you find yourself in this position you'd understand so much more.
In the meantime you'll want info and not find much. You'll feel anger and have that 'why me' playing within. It'll drive you crazy as your thirst for info possesses you. There's nothing outside your mind and it's a test of inner strength on faith. Be yourself and accept it, that's the only way out of the battle with your emotions. You are the answer for others and will simply know.
To find out more on what you've already chosen you'll need to recall nearly every experience you've had. In one of these you'd have been in a mental environment or one with pure light. What you asked for is key in solving this riddle. Only a few of us have had this 'opportunity' and if your answer is applicable to earthly life when asked 'what do you want to know?', you'll find what direction your going in.
Deep within your core it may already be stirring up emotions. A strong desire for answers burning away taking a hold of everything you do. Look within to find your answers.
It may be so obvious you've missed the forest because there's too many trees in the way.
Don't look with a physical world mindset, feel the answer, you'll only find it in the way it came to you.
I hope you understand the above, it'll really help.
Lumaza - I totally understand where you are coming from. Maybe I am an eternal optimist but I do believe most 'people' have good intentions. Perhaps you are right and maybe the downloads aren't for everyone. On the other hand perhaps they are it's just that everyone can't perceive them so need others 'like us' to do so.
EscapeVelocity - You said trust, that is the one thing I have realized as well. Perhaps some of these are simply adjustments. At least that is what at least two felt like for me. It's definitely interesting. I'm still on the fence over crop circles but do agree many such phenomena most likely are only meant to raise awareness over a larger perspective.
Szaxx - It is very odd how as a kid I just accepted strange. As a full-blown adult I now want to make sense of it. When I was a kid I had an experience that left me with a message that I spent my whole life being reminded of. Occasionally I would want to talk about it but I always sensed the time was not right. The message was for someone very specific.
40+ years later I delivered that message to someone I had only recently met. Strangest meeting I've ever had but that person knew exactly what to do with it and I dare say she changed, for the better, many lives.
You are right about the 'knowing'. My problem is I want to know it all, now. :-D Thank you for the pep talk. I know the answers are there. I reckon patience isn't my strong suit lately. And I am still curious about Jane.
Excuse me everyone but what downloads are you talking about, seriously I have no clue : )
Quote from: fatfooty on July 13, 2016, 11:03:08
Excuse me everyone but what downloads are you talking about, seriously I have no clue : )
When proficient at projecting you receive these downloads or imprints as I called them and in a flash you know a great deal of information on something. Whilst in the NP you have access to the information instantly and it can be a complete history of a city from its birth to over 500 years of existence.
When you get them in connection with the daily physical life they are there as you feel them but the information is hidden until or if it's needed. They are a vast amount of knowledge and our waking brain cannot understand the info as there's so much. However the info can be realised if something triggers it and then it appears in your memory.
When you wake from a dream you forget lots of its contents, this is the same with downloads/imprints. It's there and unavailable until it clicks into life.
@Nameless,
Time will tell on this one, Jane seemed to care and hopefully will present herself. I have a feeling about this but it may be incorrect and I don't wish to supply false information. It's kinda delicate and sensitive, you'll know if it clicks into place. Perhaps time isn't right, some of the info has been erased and this means it's for you to experience. If it was important to you I'd know and you'd have been PM'd by now.
The desire to know everything is good, if you were given the info in full, some of it would be very taxing on your emotions. You know you're not ready for this level of association as its far deeper than anything in the physical.
A mountain contains mole hills, a mole hill can become a mountain if something isn't in order.
Something to think about 😉
Fatfooty - sorry for hijacking your thread. See how a simple question can get things going. :)
Szaxx - Guess I'll know in time, maybe, if you're right.
Quote from: Nameless on July 13, 2016, 16:09:15
Fatfooty - sorry for hijacking your thread. See how a simple question can get things going. :)
I forgive your sins my friend lol : )
Quote from: Lumaza on July 11, 2016, 19:00:41
Phasing occurs when you allow yourself to be immersed in a scenario outside of this physical reality.
I have a technique that makes it so much easier whereas I simply focus on my physical body/form at first. Then I watch as it disappears piece by piece. Once it is gone from site, the only thing left is consciousness. That technique is great for removing pain as well.
I think people make the act of visualizing harder than it is. Think of your favorite hobby or sport. Think of a certain "word". Now close your eyes and view it. It's that easy. You don' have to get into creating elaborate fully vivid things. Start easy with something like a geometric shape or a apple, banana, etc. The key is to learn to "hold" that focus. Watching a candle burn in a dark room is great for this because if done long enough, a imprint of the flame/burning candle is created that can be seen immediately after you close your eyes.
Thanks Lumaza,
Phasing is a new word for me.
I will try your approach which sounds reasonably simple for people at my level.
Serge :-)
Envy you guys that can visualize good. It something that has always been hard for me. Therefor my obe techniques mostly based on sounds, thoughts, tricks. Funny even when I tries/did visualized somewhere, it was more me thinking of being there and then "looking" once felt there. Otherwise would see mostly just black, or static like old tv channel off the air. (but you can focus/look at the whiteness and sound with that, to get to vibes.
This how to visualize without seeing, the thought of being somewhere, the feeling, is the key. Say you was on a beach in paradise somewhere before (vacation), if you can "feel" how you felt then and then try and visualize on the "don't try hard level." Feel how you felt, remember the breeze, remember your thoughts, remember how this is somewhere you would always love to be, and remember something that had your focus then, cool looking rock, fish in water, whatever. Recreate that moment in your mind(the feeling), and if you can remember something like; I was looking at fish in water, sharp rock on shore you step on, something that caught your attention/focus; That is the moment to act and you can feel it when you there, open your eyes then.............It like you have to want something more than having an OBE, to bypass the obe barrier in the mind some have......Like an obe tonight would be cool, but an obe to that beach in Hawaii I was at would be cooler......
I had similar experianceishes trying to "look/see" with eyes, hard to overcome(for me at least)....I found that just relax and use/make your physical eyes "fallback/relax em" they not needed, and look(not look just see) to the back of your eyes to visualize, more like remembering but think of it being there Now, not then......
hope that can help with all the other good advice on your post, there many ways to OBE, finding what works for YOU is one of the hard things, specially if you only unintentionally got out your body, trying to recreate that is hard for some/many..............but yeahi'm just someguy on WWW, hope it helps.....
I usually drift into imagination, I don't see darkness for long. I usually visualize I'm in a grassy field, laying down. It's late noon, early evening. Sunny, with wind. I could imagine the grass moving, and literally feel the warm wind. Sometimes I hear crickets, sometimes only hears the wind blowing the trees.
This is the only scene I visualized in details at different perspectives, one time I visualized it from an ant point of view.