Alcohol

[daytona955]

Hi,

Does anyone have any thoughts on the positive or negative affects of alchol on AP attempts? My wife and I enjoy a glass or two of wine in the evening, (nothing excessive). Would this be detrimental to my efforts?

Thanks.

[Stillwater]

I think there is a bit of mysticism surrounding alcohol, stemming from the history of Upanishadic and Buddhist teachings about avoidance of mind-altering substances. Much of what became the the the modern cannon of teachings about meditation and other states of consciousness was taken from these traditions, for better or worse; you can see it in the adaptation of ideas like chakras and the need for personal gurus, etc.

I think the reality about alcohol and OBE is this: alcohol is a depressant, and tends to reduce your clarity and focus of mind, and when you try to project, you are maintaining your conscious awareness while your body otherwise prepares itself for a sleep cycle. In this way, it is a direct hindrance to a projection attempt. Alcohol also temporarily changes our metabolism and digestive actions, and an active stomach or other bodily sensations are also something that would hinder removing conscious focus from the body.

There are those, though, who believe the consumption of alcohol will stunt your chances for weeks; I think this idea is the not likely to prove true. The detrimental effects of alcohol on projection will likely last only as long as its effects on the body (2 days or so), and are probably in proportion to the amount consumed. I know some people are able to project in the evening after having a beer in the afternoon; I am sure as long as you drink a very modest amount of wine, you should not be held back too much, so many hours later.

[personalreality]

alcohol seems to shut me down for a couple days.  not just to AP, but to any "psychic" faculties.
marijuana prevents me from projecting when i have smoked, but the next day I'm fine.

sooo, bottom line, don't ingest drugs or alcohol if you want to project.  sobriety seems to be the best option.
some people have a different experience, but that was what I noticed over the years.  now i'm almost completely abstinent, only drinking occasionally (maybe once a month if that).  it's easier to practice when i am sober for long periods of time.

[NoY]

Alcohol prevents me from projecting aswell 


:NoY:

[Stookie]

I only drink on the weekends, and only in the evenings and nights. I meditate in the mornings and it doesn't seem to hinder much unless I'm hungover, and that is very rare these days (but I've got this new year's party coming up...)

I would say it's the same with anything regarding alcohol: keep it in moderation!

Of course, attempting to project immediately after drinking is probably a waste of time.

[Xanth]

Hi,

Does anyone have any thoughts on the positive or negative affects of alchol on AP attempts? My wife and I enjoy a glass or two of wine in the evening, (nothing excessive). Would this be detrimental to my efforts?

Thanks.

One drink tends to increase my ability to focus and concentrate.
Anymore than that... and I'm "too loose" and ruins my attempts.

As you can see through, from the other posts here... it's a very individual thing.  See what works best for you. 

[Naykid]

I had issues with drinking so I couldn't stop at just one or two.  It effected my everything, so I don't recommend drinking, but everyone is different.   

I rarely drink anymore, and like you Stookie I have a New Years Eve thing and plan on having a few.  There is a limited addition Peppermint Kalua I saw yesterday, mix that with a shot of vodka and some cream. Yummy.

[daytona955]

Thanks for your thoughts everyone. 

[AlanRK]

I don't drink, I consider alcohol a poison for the body and spirit, so naturally I think it's entirely detrimental (to ANYTHING).

[Fresco]

Alcohol definitely impairs my ability to OBE. 
Thats why had to cut down my (sometimes excessive) consumption of beer

[NickisDank]

I've never been able to project yet, but I've had lucid dreams on nights that I have drank and smoked on, so I don't know. If you convert projection from lucid dreaming id say no it doesnt affect that atleast.

Some people will also say your experiences will be effected if you end up being able to project UTI of any drugs, but I'm starting to doubt that also

[Xanth]

I've never been able to project yet, but I've had lucid dreams on nights that I have drank and smoked on, so I don't know. If you convert projection from lucid dreaming id say no it doesnt affect that atleast.

Some people will also say your experiences will be effected if you end up being able to project UTI of any drugs, but I'm starting to doubt that also

Dont' sell yourself short.
You might not have had a "conscious exit" projection... but if you've made an AP from a LD, then you've most definitely projected. 
The thing about the non-physical is once you get out there, the filters on your physical body shouldn't matter.  You shouldn't feel that "drunkenness" at all.

[Astral316]

Alcohol seems to prevent me from even remembering dreams. Weed is a bit different... when I was smoking regularly I was having interesting, vivid, stable, and frequent projections. When I got off I observed a noticable decrease in all these areas. Maybe I only had to try harder (while sober) and that in doing so I could progress further than a stoned mind would ever permit... but that is just unverified speculation. I think when it comes to any kind of external factor influencing projection it's all about what works for you.

[NickisDank]

Dont' sell yourself short.
You might not have had a "conscious exit" projection... but if you've made an AP from a LD, then you've most definitely projected. 
The thing about the non-physical is once you get out there, the filters on your physical body shouldn't matter.  You shouldn't feel that "drunkenness" at all.

Yea your technically right lol 

But like i was saying, my most vivd and longest lucid dream actually occurred on a night i was really drunk and smoked weed. so i think it doesnt matter to much

One thing i have noticed is that if i stop smoking for a few days my dream recall def. imrpoves, but it almost doesnt matter because i still remember my dreams every night. But my friends that i talk to that smoke weed regularly they tell me they never remember any dreams or they dont dream at all, so it definitely effects to a certain extent. So i think if you desire the want to remember your dreams and advance etc, you can.

[Tiny]

soberty is the way to go, every experienced user will probably tell you that but it's best to be sure by your own experiences.

DMT is probably a different question tho.


kind regards,

Paul

[Fresco]

soberty is the way to go, every experienced user will probably tell you that but it's best to be sure by your own experiences.

DMT is probably a different question tho.


kind regards,

Paul

I read some people use DMT o achieve OBE and AP, is that true?/

Also its highly illegal...LOL

[NickisDank]

I read some people use DMT o achieve OBE and AP, is that true?/

Also its highly illegal...LOL

I've done DMT a handful of times, you can leave your body if you take a decent amount of it to where it'll knock you out for about 5-15 minutes.

If anyones curious about what DMT does and is etc, you should look up writer and researcher Terrence McKenna and see what he says about it. Interesting stuff.

[iamkuljuarenot]

I'm going to make this very clear right out of the gate, I'm hammered right now, so I think I can offer some pretty descent advice (as I enjoy an alcoholic beverage or two or a few every now and then).  In fact, I've completely neglected to read any of the other replies in this thread so if what I'm about so say is repetitive, then so be it, but I don't think it will be.  SO, anyway, does alcohol have an affect on astral projection or OBE?  YES IT DOES.  Well, it depends on how much you consume.  You stated that you and your wife like to have a glass or two of wine in the evening, that's fine.  If that's all the alcohol you consume I'm guessing that neither one of you get "drunk" or even get more than slightly buzzed for that matter, unless your lying and you both slug a whole bottle of wine, dont lie    But, that's neither here nor there, from my personal experience, the more alcohol I consume has a definite effect on what I experience as far as a dream, OBE, astral projection, whatever.

When I get absolutely blitzed and I go to sleep, I remember nothing, I remember no dreams whatsoever, no nothing, its like while I was asleep I was in a bottomless pit of black nothingness when I think back on it.

As far as your question from what I'm gathering, you don't really drink that much alcohol.  So from my experience I think it might almost be beneficial to you because you will be much more relaxed, and in a much calmer state, but its hard to give you advice if I don't know if you have ever had an out of body experience before, so have you?

[daytona955]

Hi iamkuljuarenot,

My wife and I tend to drink a glass or two most evenings, although on the weekend you will more than likely find us slugging more than a bottle!

I've had spontaneous and irregular SP since I was a child, but only recently have I discovered the link between this and AP/OBE (I had vibrations one morning and was like 'WTF!!') Since then I've had two projections that were not very clear and not very controllable.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is this - I make an attempted to AP everynight, and most nights (excluding the weekend!) I have a couple of glasses of wine. Although I am not getting drunk, will this be hampering my efforts?

Cheers. 

[iamkuljuarenot]

If the efforts you have had were after consuming alcohol I don't think they will hamper your efforts, as long as you don't get shitfaced.  I guess it is kind of different on an individual basis.  For example, if I get hammered and drink a lot, when i go to sleep, I pass out, so I have no recollection of anything before, during or after then.  I will say that many a times, when I drank a lot the night before I never remembered my dreams or anything but if i would wake up for a while and then go back to sleep after 5, 10 or 20 minutes i would remember my dreams and a lot of the times have a lucid dream. 

But as far as your sleep paralysis, many people use this as a method to have an out of body experience.  Sleep paralysis is like signs for precursors for an out of body experience.  The next time you experience sleep paralysis, relax, close your eyes, clear your mind, and just try and roll out of your body, and by roll I don't mean think about it or visualize it but physically try to "roll" out of your body you may be surprised at what happens. 

As far as having projections that are not very clear or not as controllable I've experienced the same type of thing.  Although I've had 2 full blown out of body experiences I've also had two where they didn't last more than what seemed like 4 to 10 seconds, but all the while I was conscious that I was out of my physical body. 

All in all, I would say that if you are really serious about having an out of body experience or astral projection I simply wouldn't drink alcohol because a lot of it has to do with your thoughts and your mindset at the time.  Not only does it have a physical impact on you but mental impact as well.  Not to mention the time of day your trying to AP or OBE.  A couple glasses of wine would most likely do nothing to bar your chance of OBE, but anything more than that I would say your chances of achieving your goal decreases exponentially.

[NickisDank]

Well, maybe it effects you but It doesn't effect me.


I smoke weed regularly, and can remember 2-3 dreams a night. And I've projected on nights where I've been drunk and high and had perfect experiences. Don't get me wrong if you "think" it will slim your chances of projecting, it probably will

If you would of read my post you would of saw that I said my longest projection happend on a night where I couldn't even see straight. But the projection was fine

[Fresco]

If you like to drink like I do then here's what you do:

Have 1 or 2 nights out of the week designated as booze nights, dont AP on those days and only try AP the remaining 5 days. 
That works best for me

[iamkuljuarenot]

And I've projected on nights where I've been drunk and high and had perfect experiences.

You must not get as drunk as I do lol.

[personalreality]

soberty is the way to go, every experienced user will probably tell you that but it's best to be sure by your own experiences.

DMT is probably a different question tho.


kind regards,

Paul

If you did achieve projection with DMT it would be rather uncontrolled, at least that was my experience.  You're kind of just thrown into it and have to deal with what comes.  You seem to have little or no conscious control of the situation.

[David Warner]

Friends,

Speaking from experience and documenting my statistics with alcohol and projecting. If its done in moderation "lightly" one can project w/o no problems. However, if there is a serious social abuse of the alcohol than it can interfere and become a problem. Not just a spiritual but to the physical body - mind, spirit, body and soul.

For three years from 2005 - 2007, I stopped and quit drinking all together, not even a drop on new years eve. When I started up projecting full force and cared here is my totals and break down for each year that I experienced.

Yearly Statistics   Total

No Drinking   
2005   61
2006   113
2007   102

Now, from 2008 - 2010 I did my fair share of drinking and over indulging. 2008 + 2009 numbers are still impressive for projecting but 2010 totals, the effects of the alcohol didn't really mix well. It completely weared me down to the point I just didn't care anymore. Why did this happen - well lost my mom back in 2008, a few misfortunes in life after and trying to recover from. So easily to slip down that hole and before ya know it... where did my projections go?

Social Drinking
2008   88
2009   73
2010   40

It's kinda of funny in 2010, I really didn't care if I projected or not. Just tired of it all, burned out and wanted to focus on physical matters. Not that there is nothing wrong with it - but I have been projecting since 1987 and I tell ya getting out into the astral and higher planes - nothing here in the physical it being alcohol, pot, drugs can ever come close - period! I would rather project than drink!

So anyways, for those who question the effects - take the time and see for yourself. Do the work and document your results vs. reading a post or two and drawl your own conclusions. Drinking a couple glasses of wine or a few beers won't limit you. But drinking to your fullest potential will hinder your experiences. You can still have some awesome experiences but to really RAISE the bar that I have over the years in constant weekly projecting - light moderation should be practiced.

Good Luck and be careful out there - don't want any Astral DUI's....: )

DW