Am I affraid of something?

[SpectralDragon]

you feel out of place and you seem to feel you have lost control. I would suggest not looking at the hands and try a short flying trip instead that way you feel like you are in control of something.

[upstream]

I know the situation you are in. The separation you describe is very accurate. You may experience strong pull at low distances if you even succeded in separation. Be ready to distorted sight, cables attached to the regio of solar plexus, and pain in your guts.

The flavor of this type of OBEs lies in the doubles that came to loose from below, distincriminated from those types in which the doubles come to loose at the middle of the body, or those in wich the two body begin to separate first at the upper regios. These two types are turn to F22-LD and etheric OBE respectively, while your method leads into heavy and instable etheric projections.

What makes your separation difficult is your under-active upper chakras. The good news is that your centers projected upon the regio of genitals and solar plexus are well developed. You choose to build your energy body from below as required for any stable buildings.

Of course, RB's NEW is the method that supposed to help you. But if you don't have the patience, I advise you a funny somer-sault movement which worked well in my case. Or try to separate with your whole double by lifting it upward as your centre of gravity be reside in your chest. When your upper body lag behind, or you feel stuck, concentrate all your awareness to a point above your head.

If you fail, a pseudo-separation will occur because your personality forced to whitraw from the organism bounded, heavy etheric body. Eventually you may loose consciousness or find yourself in a lucid dream, exactly as you described.

[holy reality]

"These two types are turn to F22-LD and etheric OBE respectively, while your method leads into heavy and instable etheric projections. "

So are you saying there are ways to make sure of WHERE you project into? How do you project into the physical?

[upstream]

There are not sure ways to do it. I'm not so ambitious at these times either. Now, I'm glad to able to separate by some kind of astral twitting. I even be grateful for lucid dreams. But when I'm out I can go back to the physical.

Regarding the separation process, all my science has to run down by have some observation about it. And I've had enough OBE to observe what comes after each of thes types of separation.

However, when I choose the solar plexus and the breathing process to concentrate on, while remain aware the entire volume of my body at the same time, chance for an etheric projection will emerge. But it will not result in a stable RTZ-OBE by default. There are no sure ways - at least not for me.

[helion]

Thanks you a lot for the info. That I meant in my post is that, maybe,
I am not well psychologically well prepared for the separation and what comes after.Althought I have seen the full astral body of a relative of mine (when I was too young to know anything about and I was not asleep at all at the time)so I know how it is like, I think that some sort of fear stops me to separate the upper part of etheric and so on.Dont know is just a theory.
Thanks again-Kris

[upstream]

Perhaps, in your case, fear has the first priority in the midst of hindrances. It seems resonable that, when you feel terrified, the most difficult part you're able to get separated where your consciousness is reside in, your head.

[helion]

Hi all.(strange! cos I am sure I have clicked -post new topic- some hours before,if u see this msg twice plese ignore}

My obe's are: feet upside down,stronge exit symptoms, sometimes grabbing sensations on feet, but my problem is that they end up all the time in a lucid scenario because at the time of separation I lose consciousness. Except during my last obe when I saw for the first time my hands melting and being much longer that the real hands.They were bluish-grey glowing. Well guys,that thing shoke me up veeeeryyyy much.How have you reacted in a similar situation?