I can't even control my visualization!

[123mac123]

let me start out by saying a first attempted OBE's back in April, where I was succesful my first attempt and most of my followig attempts, then I stopped out of a misbelief it was against god, for about two months, no worries though Im fine to start practicing again without anything fears and what not holding me back. the problem is now that Ive been trying for over a month every night with no luck at all, Im greatest concern is I ticked off the spirits and they don't want me back! furthermore I adopteed a new visualization method which suprisingly I can imerse myself well into the visulaization, I just can't control it? I start turning in circles and pace back and fourth in the same spot without gaining any ground, now thats bizzare, its just a visualization! I also tried this quick phase method where you imagine a cell phone in your hand upon waking upon, I woke up many times last night during the night and tried it every time, didnt work. Im glad I had success with OBE's when I first started or else I'd never believe this and would have stopped by now, I seek self development and knowledge. to be more of what our species is meant for, I feel it is my duty and right to be able to project again but I just can't! What can I do?

[spatialreason]

It's nice to hear you've moved past your belief that such a natural thing would be against god, if anything it brings you closer to understanding the nature of life, which is what god should want, right?

Do not worry that you've ticked off the spirits, and that they will not have you back. I can honestly say I've ticked off more humans in my OBEs then most normal people would dare to... lol... this is a fact, yet I can still project. Actually, if you tick them off, they will probably want you to project so they can tell you off...

Visualizations are great for meditation, I say it this way because I see energy flowing in colors around me constantly during my waking life. I have adapted these flowing energies and have been able to manipulate and shape the energy, and even project my own being into the visualization with full control, but its a bit hard to explain how it works for me. But visualization can definitely induce vibrations, which are necessary for the experience, so definitely keep working on that. Make sure your visualizations make you as comfortable and relaxed as possible. Also make sure they are engaging enough and sort of automatic, so that you occupy your mind, but don't overwhelm the process of actually trying to relax, it should be a nice balance.

About your phase method, i'm not saying that any technique is inherently bad (unless it doesn't work), which I kind of am getting from your post. So, maybe just stick with your visualizations, make them more comfortable as suggested... and try a new phase method. My best suggestion for phasing (seems to be a popular word around here) is just simply controled, slow, relaxed breathing, with a mixture of subtle visualization. You should just pop out... I say it like it's easy, but with practise it will work for you... I am confident you will be able to do your duty again... (well that sounded awkward).... And yes, it is your right to project.

[123mac123]

It's nice to hear you've moved past your belief that such a natural thing would be against god, if anything it brings you closer to understanding the nature of life, which is what god should want, right?

I completely agree, The one difference between Now and back in April when I was succeful, Is I had bad bronchitis, which actually cleared up very quickly after my first couple OBE's, maybe because of healing energy? Idk. Back then the bronchitis gave me a very congested throat, and clearing my throat constantly I tohught would have been a  disturbance, yet I still was able to project, I speculate now that maybe this problem was somehow activating my throat chakra making projection easier, again I am not sure.

[spatialreason]

I am at a loss when understanding the healing effects, my mother has experienced similar healing, more specifically by animals. It is interesting to me for sure. I know even less about chakra work, or how that effects the OBEs, as I have done litterally nothing in regards to that, and still have the experiences regularly. The fact you've done it before means you will probably do it again, since it is part of your nature... Sometimes these things happen in natural cycles (large and small) so I am confident you will rebalance and experience it again. You really just have to set your mind to it, and set the intent constantly. Always stay aware, and really work on your meditations as soon as you wake up, that is usually the best time to do it. Try to increase your awareness during the stages of falling asleep, this should help reintegrate you with more vibrations which you will need to start experiencing (again?) in order to get it to work for you again. And as a believer in god, and I will assume the power of prayer, you should do that as well... For a believer it is has very powerful affects on the consciousness. I like to think I'm helping, but I am not a great teacher and am not really trying to come across that way, but all I can do is share my experience and hope that it contributes to your success.

[123mac123]

When I first did it, I remember lying in bed very relaxed, and any thought that came to mind I immediately dismissed, very quickly I awoke in the chair in my computer room (It was at night and I wondered why I was sitting in darkness) I had gone past the vibrational state (I do not recall vibrations, I was trying very hard not to pay attention to anything) and I did not go through the process of leaving my body, I just appeared in my chair in my computer room. Now when I try to Project, I find myself lying in my bed for a very long time, I try not to have any thoughts, but since the process seems to drag on, I find myself in periods of random thought, I then realise I am in a thought process and proceed to go back to trying to keep my mind empty. I usually get subtle vibrations now when I attempt, sometimes my arms or legs jolt a little ( I dont know why) and other times I get a falling sensation, I quickly become aware these feelings are good, but then they go away fast. when these subtle vibrations come, how Can I intensify them? I usually do not try a seperation technique because I know im not fully imerged in the vibrations. I have attempted seperation techniques when I have had subtle vibrations, but still no effect. I believe my biggest issue must be the amount of awareness I retain to what Im physically doing, I just don't know how to take my mind away. How should I bring my awareness down to the nesesary level? Lastly I will say that I have been told you can induce vibrations by listening to the high pitch ringing in your head( which for me is very easy to hear) but I havent had any success with this either.

[spatialreason]

1) Trying to stop yourself from having thoughts is really hard, and not necessary for projection. You can still have thoughts, they actually help as long as they are relaxing you. A whole lot of thought is used in visualization meditation, and it works great.

2) I also experience a jolt of my limbs and head at times... and I am not sure if this is helpful at all, because it usually startles me and really messes things up, i'm just glad it doesn't happen often. Actually, even more happy now because I just remembered when I used to wake up to punching myself in the face with my spirit arm (no i didn't do it on purpose)... lol, I thought I broke my nose once, then realized I actually didn't punch myself physically.

3) The falling sensation in my understanding is a pre-experience leading up to an OBE. If you feel falling, let it pass, and I am confident that an intimate OBE will occur once your balanced again as long as it's initiated properly and you're not scared of falling.

And most important of all...

Someone can correct me if i'm wrong on this, but you should never try to separate during the vibrational stage. You'll usually just end up in sleep paralysis or something uncomfortable like that. The vibrations need to pass first, before you try to exit. If you get vibrations, relax, breathe deep, meditate, and they will increase in intensity. It might be hard to relax at first because vibrations can be overwhelming at times, u just got to get used to them. If you have vibrations, you're probably moments away from the point of exit, so just relax and let it happen on its own, dont force it.

[123mac123]

I had another attempt, felt some vibratiions, got very relaxed, but fell asleep. Is there something people do to initiate the leaving of their body?

[spatialreason]

Yes, don't fall asleep. Meditation is key when you have the vibrations. Focusing on breathing would be a great idea. Breath deep, sometimes with each breath you'll start to feel more and more floaty. Just because you feel parts of your body floating, you might not be separated. One you have the floating feeling, you could choose to focus on a location of your choice.... and keep breathing, keep focusing.. eventually, after a few attempts i'm sure you should just pop out. That's how it works for me anyways. Once the vibrations pass, as long as I have a strong focus and dont fall asleep, I get an OBE. Focusing on a specific location you want to visit should be enough to initiate it. But, there are other options available, for sure if this doesn't work, but I see no real reason for it not to work, sounds like you're doing it properly, I think you're so close... Keep trying. You said "very" relaxed, so maybe you were too relaxed as well.