Astral travel and catatonia and comatose patients

[WalkerInTheWoods]

But then you have to wonder, why do they have to wait if they are free from their physical bodies? And why wait in a cave?

[shaman]

Hi Mustang!

What you bring here up to the board sounds like Near Death Experience, NDE for short, where in the first part a person has an accident, a heat attack, a car crash, etc... and her/his body is actually dying. NExt thing the person has an OBE in the physical world, so well that that person is able to remember all the little details (for example) of the emergency teams, the emergency room, the doctors in panic mode, etc... And nest the person goes through the tunnel and reaches the light and from there the person is send either back to her/his body (and the Light says to them "IT IS NOT YOUR TIME, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK") or the person actually dies.... What you bring here is where people have to wai to die....

Anyhow, I though you might want to have a look at the following site:

http://www.iands.org/

it is a site about NDE

Shaman The Dreamer

[mustang]

Quite a while back (some years ago in fact - and I completely forget the name of the author), I read in a book or article on astral travel, about an astral traveller visiting some astral realm/dimension when he came across some "people" in a cave-like realm, not doing anything in particular. When he asked these people what they were doing there, one of them replied that they were all just waiting for their bodies on earth to die.

This is obviously a strange and disturbing comment. But as strange as the comment is, one has to ask what on earth is meant by it? What is implied by it? I have read of one person commenting on its possible meaning and thought it worth repeating here. It has been suggested that this astral traveller encountered the astral/mental aspects of people whose physical bodies were in a catatonic state on earth. Thus there bodies were no longer inhabited by their conscious minds and their consciousness had migrated permanently (and perhaps deliberately?) to this cave-like realm, and perhaps elsewhere, in the astral dimensions. In other words the people in the cave were the astral embodiments of catatonic and even comatose people on earth. I know that in several religious traditions from around the world (probably many that I am unaware of) it is believed that people in a coma have had their souls leave their bodies and travel to the underworld or the heavenly realms ie the astral dimensions.

Of course modern medical science laughs at this, but then I laugh at much of modern medical science.

Anyway I thought it worth bringing up here.