Fused Dreams

[ICWiz]

quote:Originally posted by What Tha Phak

Last night my mom was telling me about how she suddenly felt a surge of energy, which caused her to wake up.  A split second later, my little sister flung her arm across my mom's chest then saying "that's my daddy!" (my mom and little 9 year old sister sleep together) the funny thing is, my mom was saying how she was briefly dreaming of her ex-husband, (little sister's dad) but could not see his face, right at the same time she awoke and heard what my little sister said. Does anyone think that two people, due to physical closeness or empathy, can merge in dreams??  I've have always wondered this.

Hmm..its possible. Or its possible that your sister was accually the one dreaming and your mom picked up on it?..or the other way around?

--ICWiz

[quant]

Well, what i think could be an even more likely answer would be that both your mother and sister were projecting, and your sisters father was there also...

[Brian Hacking]

Then theres the theory that most if not all dreams are a form of projection.    

I personally belive this.  I also thing that when dreaming we create what I like to think of as 'Dream Pools'.  Areas that people dreaming about the same type of things can interact,create and dream together.  

This would also explain why deceased loved ones often communicate to us through dreams.

It would also explain 'Sleeper Classes'

So yes I think it is possilbe to share dreams.  Although in my mind 'Projecting' and 'Dreaming' are VERY closely related.

With Love,
Brian

[atarfireangel]

I do think it is possible.I wouldnt know the details of it, but I do believe it.I remember I had this dream one night of my mother.I was watching her walk up a flight of stairs and I distintly remember her being a lawyer(which she isnt).I called her the next day,and I told her of this dream.She said it was funny because she was had a dream that same night of her being a lawyer.I lived in Tenn.at the time, she was in Miss.

[Frozen Heroics]

Y'know in psyche class, I learned that "dream worlds," worlds we enter when we go to sleep and thus where we get our dreams from, is a serious theory as to the true origin of our dreams. It's a realm that everyone goes to when asleep, and a realm where everyone can cross over into each other's dreams. Like for example, have you ever wondered why someone you're only an acquaintance with, ends up in your dreams sometimes? And sometimes with vivid motivations or interactions and points in your dreams, and when you hardly know them and perhaps haven't even seen or thought about them for a long time too.

Of course, another one of the five main theories of dream origins is that they're nothing but randomly fired neurons in the brain that create allusions and sequences and flashes of images. But like tossing dice, sometimes dreams can be reproduced in other people's minds. Everyone can toss two dice and at one point, get two sevens. It's not a mathematical impossibility, or even that much of an unlikelihood, that two people can roll two sevens at the same time -- or that two people can fire off the same or similar combo of brain neurons while asleep, especially with the frequency of dreams people have in their sleep (though you don't remember them, you dream all the time when your asleep). Just compare that to two people frequently rolling dice, add in the influence of similar feelings and emotions that decide what neurons in the brain are expressed, and baddabingbaddaboom. It's not as half baked as you think, even though I'm not totally persuaded that randomly fired neurons in the brain are completely responsible for dreams. It's just interesting either way.

[What Tha Phak]

From what I understand, dreaming is a form of projection, but a much lower version of it.  It's more of a solitary virtual reality, rather than a universal plane or world, which everyone can visit.  I believe this 'dream world' exists seperate from the physical body, yet at the same time, somewhat controlled by the depth sleep, or unconsciousness, that its physical counterpart is in.  Taking place in the mind's eye of the second subtle energy body that our main energetic body creates, is where I believe this reality is created and maintained.  Though through practice and training, people describe being able to  'phase' into higher astral planes and realms from the dreaming state, being no longer a personal reality.


Frozen Heroics says:

quote:Of course, another one of the five main theories of dream origins is that they're nothing but randomly fired neurons in the brain that create allusions and sequences and flashes of images. But like tossing dice, sometimes dreams can be reproduced in other people's minds. Everyone can toss two dice and at one point, get two sevens. It's not a mathematical impossibility, or even that much of an unlikelihood, that two people can roll two sevens at the same time -- or that two people can fire off the same or similar combo of brain neurons while asleep, especially with the frequency of dreams people have in their sleep (though you don't remember them, you dream all the time when your asleep). Just compare that to two people frequently rolling dice, add in the influence of similar feelings and emotions that decide what neurons in the brain are expressed, and baddabingbaddaboom. It's not as half baked as you think, even though I'm not totally persuaded that randomly fired neurons in the brain are completely responsible for dreams. It's just interesting either way.

I don't really think that 'randomly fired neurons' is the case for the cause for dreams.  If that were the case, then the sequence of events and visuals would be so random and off from each other, the dreams would have no 'theme' or 'main idea' basis to it at all, making no sense whatsoever.

Our dreams coorelate with just the right state of trance and the subconscious desires, memories, fears, wishes, and regrets that we embed into our subconscious (or unconscious, same thing) from the compilation of our whole life.

Sorry, Frozen Heroics but the dice and 'randomly fired neurons' isn't a very accurate analogy. If my math is correct, the chances of two people rolling the same number, lets say 7, with two dice each is 1:12 (done considering combinations don't have to be exact, but do equal 7).  The chances with the random neuron theory would be like 1:billions+.  Even if they did fire off in the same sequence, the outcome would still be different.  Why would one person dream the same thing another person was, only from that neuron theory, if they had a completely different unconscious makeup from each other.

I think the answer truely lies in the empathy people can have for each other.  The closer they are in bond, the greater the psychic link they  could share.  Close physical distance (like in the same bed) could also play a very large role in this 'merged dreams' idea.     [|)]

[What Tha Phak]

I said:

quote:Our dreams coorelate with just the right state of trance and the subconscious desires, memories, fears, wishes, and regrets that we embed into our subconscious (or unconscious, same thing) from the compilation of our whole life.

Just wanted to add to that statement: The reason why dreams are not so 'random' is because they are dictated by a steady train of thought, which manifests almost instantly.  You control them.


I was talking to this woman on the internet one time that claimed her sister had 'powers.'  She could astral project into other peoples' dreams.  I don't know if this is really possible, but with OBE discoveries these days, anything could be theoretical.

I was reading this article by Robert Bruce where he was saying, it is possible to 'follow' someone into a virtual reality, or dream world, if you were there right before it was being created.  I wonder if this is true for sleeping people while dreaming...?  I wonder if one can project into another's dream, even well after the dream was created, and if so, how?

[Leviiathan]

I really don't know what to make of the whole "dream pool" theory.
I think, since many of us don't have degrees in psycology or a true
understanding of how the brain works (and what happens during sleep),
that the theory on it is quite muddled (on dream pools).

That is not to say any of it is false, I simply feel agnostic to this issue.

Aside: One time when I had a dream, I became lucid at the end. My entire attention was focused on the act of waking up. I think my awareness was only like that for a minute or two. I wasn't focusing on anything else, so the thought did not occur to me that I could take advantage of the dream.

As with all dreams, I dream in third person, so I act as an outside spectator. Anyone here play console RPG games like Final Fantasy? My dreams are completely like that, with boxed-in, artificial locations, and NPCs. Everything falls into different angles, and I am the animator of the character I am playing through (myself).

In this case, all I did was open my character's eyes. When I did that, my own eyes (in real life opened up). The funny thing is that there was no special case transition between the astral or the physical. Close your eyes and then open them. That is how mundane and dry the episode was. There was no reality shift whatsoever. In fact, it was like I wasn't even sleeping to begin with (because when a person wakes up, their body usually feels relaxed, or they have to pass through states of awareness or whatever).

[Person]

Mutual dreaming was my ultimate goal before I knew about OBE's.  I found a book titled Mutual Dreaming that listed many examples for proof, but not the how-to I was expecting.  I've had no solid successes, just times when I sense interference within the dream.  I used to have many lucid dreams, and that's the only way to create a mutual dream unless you rely on coincidence.  I once tried to test it with an online friend.  We agreed to piture a lazertag fight at a certain time.  My dream started in a thick forest with red and blue lazers shooting back and forth, under my direction, but then changed to an open field with Star Wars robots shooting each other.  Then, beyond my control, everything froze and turned toward the center area, where two people were making out or something i with a stron ggreen halo around them.  This was like 4 years ago, I'd have to look it up, but the only confirmation I got was the red and blue color lazers in his dream.  He wasn't good at remembering his dreams, and did like me at the time, but I still can't call it a success.
What I did get from the book was that it's extremely extremely rare for two people to have the same dream, down to the details.  Instead, it's always symbolically similar.  LIke the idea will be the same, but the two will see it represented differently due to their mind's associations with the idea.
It feels like "dreamspace" is somewhere between the physical and astral, since people can "rise up" from a dream into the astral.  Robert describes being able to project, then enter a "virtual reality" by entering a picture from the physical world and forming one's own personal illusion, much like a lucid dream.
I think waht's more difficult than having a mutual dream is confirming it.  Rarely do people discuss every dream they had, and dreams are so personal that even if realized, they won't admit their side of the story.  I had another internet friend that I placed in my dreams often, and she openly said something about having mutual dreams with me, but refused to discuss it.  Very fustrating..
So, it's possible, but rare.  Since two minds will interpret the same idea differently, similar dreams will usually be thought a mere coincidence.

[TheSeeker]

My brother and I had the same reoccuring nightmare when we were children, only I didn't know until recently, because I brought up the nightmare, and he said "I used to have that nightmare".  

Its kind of silly, but, the dream was that we were on our bunkbeds and it was thunderstorming outside.  During a lighting flash I saw Mumra's face (the bad guy from thundercats) through the window.  My brother and I would hide under the bed, Mumra would come in the window, and we could see his feet from beneath the bed, then I would wake up.

[What Tha Phak]

Last night my mom was telling me about how she suddenly felt a surge of energy, which caused her to wake up.  A split second later, my little sister flung her arm across my mom's chest then saying "that's my daddy!" (my mom and little 9 year old sister sleep together) the funny thing is, my mom was saying how she was briefly dreaming of her ex-husband, (little sister's dad) but could not see his face, right at the same time she awoke and heard what my little sister said. Does anyone think that two people, due to physical closeness or empathy, can merge in dreams??  I've have always wondered this.