I was wondering if it is possible to AP in a moving vehicle like a car. It's an odd concept because I don't understand what would happen once entering the astral world as everything in the real world is moving around you but is still inside the car.
Has anyone experienced this or something of the sort? I'm quite interested
There are books I've read about projecting while on the go but I think it might be for the extremely experienced. I'm slightly dubious about the possibility and the motive of wanting to do it. I wonder if the body would continue to function properly while the consciousness is focused elsewhere?
Weird concept isn't it. I don't know if your body would cope. You would have to be very experienced to be able to do it. I would like to hear from so done who has experienced it. I reckon it would confuse the brain completely to be honest
Quote from: paul72 on September 21, 2014, 17:59:17
I wonder if the body would continue to function properly while the consciousness is focused elsewhere?
The body always works properly. When you project you refocus only a portion of your awareness. Your body is not an empty shell during an AP as some may assume.
It does not matter how or when you project, nothing can harm your physical body and you wont be "lost" if your physical body is moving.
I have APd on an airplane and it was just like any other projections. Although I instantly refocused some place else and not in the airplane environment. During projection your spirit is not relocating in physical distance, but rather in frequency divided worlds. While your body is biologically alive, no matter what you do spiritually, your body never becomes an empty vehicle while you are refocused. You can never get lost or unable to "return". If those assumptions had any ground, then people would be dying very frequently during sleep, because as soon as your physical senses get shut down, guess where do you get refocused? The dream world is in fact an astral environment.
Quote from: LightBeam on September 21, 2014, 18:15:21
The body always works properly. When you project you refocus only a portion of your awareness. Your body is not an empty shell during an AP as some may assume.
It does not matter how or when you project, nothing can harm your physical body and you wont be "lost" if your physical body is moving.
I have APd on an airplane and it was just like any other projections. Although I instantly refocused some place else and not in the airplane environment. During projection your spirit is not relocating in physical distance, but rather in frequency divided worlds. While your body is biologically alive, no matter what you do spiritually, your body never becomes an empty vehicle while you are refocused. You can never get lost or unable to "return". If those assumptions had any ground, then people would be dying very frequently during sleep, because as soon as your physical senses get shut down, guess where do you get refocused? The dream world is in fact an astral environment.
That makes sense, the fact that you relocate somewhere else straight away. Does this mean you believe that you go to the astral universe when you die? As I can see this being true as your physical body is shut off your spirituL body can carry on. Maybe withs large release of Dmt from pineal gland? Slightly off topic I know but interested what so done else's views are
Yes I understand what you're saying Lightbeam, but would it be possible to be driving a car while projecting, still with the ability to turn left if needed?
Quote from: paul72 on September 21, 2014, 19:26:06
Yes I understand what you're saying Lightbeam, but would it be possible to be driving a car while projecting, still with the ability to turn left if needed?
Yes and no.
Although, more no than yes.
While people have been known to sleep drive, you're usually not "here" enough to function that well.
One of my best buddies was doing a martial art and got kicked in the head. That night he woke up sitting at a table at the local Tim Hortons. He had driven himself there.
There have been cases of motorcycle riders who project and watch themselves from above. I don't know how long they were out, and if they made any turns or anything. These happened spontaneously. Probably easy to go into a trance while riding the bike.
If I found myself OOB while driving or riding a motorcycle you can bet I'd be trying to reenter real quick.
Quote from: paul72 on September 21, 2014, 19:26:06
Yes I understand what you're saying Lightbeam, but would it be possible to be driving a car while projecting, still with the ability to turn left if needed?
Oh, so you are asking if projection is safe while operating a machinery. I would not try to do that intentionally, because my method of projecting involves full physical senses shut down. And even if I try to remain aware of the physical surroundings, I am not sure how long will the "autopilot" last. I don't even think that this is easy to achieve at all. And if it is achieved it will be more like a mental observation of an astral scene, rather than being fully there, if you know what I mean. Although, I have heard of dual consciousness. The ability to experience focus here and there are the same time. Usually that happens spontaneously and it lasts a very short time. I have never experienced it.
Well, I did drive and AP, but it wasn't a full projection, it's a connection, when you are connected to the astral realm you can go how you please.
You don't need to close your eyes or loose focus on what you are doing.
People always think that you need to be asleep to project, I don't.
It's just that you phase out and feel completely different when you keep your eyes open.
When you're used to project you know how it is up there.
Once your spirit is deeply connected to the Astral Realm it is possible to feel the Astral Realm and understand it without closing your eyes.
I don't think it's about being experimented really, it's just a matter of what your priority is in the Astral.
Some wants to see all the planes and stuff like that. For me I just want the feeling I get from there and the wisdom, it's very easy to achieve.
It's not a full projection, you are still focused on the road but you will act more as on auto-pilot while you project.
You can project everywhere, anytime you want. There's different kind of projections. :)
But don't close your eyes while driving! LOL!
Edit: Oh and LightBeam, it can last between 5mins to 30mins I'd say, but you feel very calm while in that state. The cars on the road are very distracting, if they're driving correctly it's fine, but if someone is tailing you close or someone pass by really close, you'll see it and immediately snap back.
You can get into some werid states driving especially after a long shift or a night shift. I don't know if it's AP or not but it's really not a good idea and probably a good way to get a permenent AP going.
Quote from: Bluefirephoenix on September 22, 2014, 06:30:34
You can get into some werid states driving especially after a long shift or a night shift. I don't know if it's AP or not but it's really not a good idea and probably a good way to get a permenent AP going.
Ha! Tell me about it.
Every time I drive long distance trips (more than 1 hour), I find it difficult at times because... well, I've been meditating for so long now, that I kind of do it even while doing the most mundane task, and in that, it becomes hard to keep a physical focus sometimes. LoL
Xanth for heaven's sake be careful. Night shift your head is weird after. I used to have to drive like 100k on Maine country roads to get back and forth to work. Very difficult to do. It's the 16 hour shifts then driving home in the dark that gets to me.
100k to go to work!!
That makes England seem like such an easy place to live!!
I'd be wonderfully happy with AP at all! I think the general rule is do not run heavy machinery while under the influence of alcohol or the astral realm.
Some of my deepest meditations happen when I'm on a long flight and have time all to myself. They set off neat AP experiences, so yes, I can confirm AP is possible on the move. Nothing more or less difficult about it. Frame of mind is the only thing limiting. You have to realize that you don't really leave your physical body in the manner of speaking where you have a full on OBE. Think of it as phasing or tuning in to another reality and you're there.
If you remove from the processes of your thinking about this in regards to the fact that physical reality is virtual and "position" within this physical reality is nothing but data... then the question of "can I project while in a moving car" is a null question, because as a consciousness, you're not moving. You're not physical. You're not even really here.
It's quite easy to phase when driving. You can get to the point where the visualisations start and this should be done with complete control. You don't want to go further as the hallucinations will obscure the true physical objects infront of you. The result may be a one way ticket to the astral.
In the phase where the noises are well established the music you like can be playing in your head clearly if you want it. You still have full control of your physical and anything from stupid drivers pulls you out immediately as said.
It's not a good thing to try after a 20hour shift with a 300 mile drive home in the early hours.
The road turns to rubber and you sink into it. That's one wierd experience that occurred. Another is time, it seems to dissapear where half an hour goes in a very short space of time. With nothing much on the road this may be normal.
Falling asleep would be very easy so I'd not recommend trying this unless you have total control when phasing. It's a one way ticket for the inexperienced IMHO.
If you're a passenger then definately try it. A long road is best, the results can be interesting. You can expect an amplified tactile sensation which is useful if you use this method. The experiences are clear too if you're successful. When returning the engine sounds different and this state should be kept if possible for a while then a second exit can occur. I've had around 4 experiences this way many years ago.
Szaxx I'll add a Maine blizzard to that.... I was expecting a transition to astral permenently a few times out there.