A plea for advice-

jason · February 10, 2005, 19:11:30

This is a bloody nightmare-constant assumptions about hallucinations,lack of evidence,etc...

followed by a bunch of terminology that automatically seems to assume that their argument is better than any argument an EXPERIENCED person can offer.

as much as these mindsets claim to be about the search for truth,the pathways are automatically closed.Their reasoning is purely circular.

It's very irritating

help!

Ivanda · February 10, 2005, 19:32:17

Who are they?

Legend · February 11, 2005, 03:47:03

Sometimes you simply have to pause and think "Will it really make a difference". Sometimes, the best way to answer a question is by spawing more questions (chicken and egg).

Quote from: jasonThis is a bloody nightmare-constant assumptions about hallucinations,lack of evidence,etc...

followed by a bunch of terminology that automatically seems to assume that their argument is better than any argument an EXPERIENCED person can offer.

as much as these mindsets claim to be about the search for truth,the pathways are automatically closed.Their reasoning is purely circular.

It's very irritating

help!

rowofmushytit · February 11, 2005, 08:36:07

Quoteyou'll never entirely understand yourself, since your mind, like any other closed system, can only be sure of what it knows about itself by relying on what it knows about itself.

Is our true understanding not a closed loop anyway?

I am a PhD student in molecular biophysics, so i f you need a real scientific opinion this is your best chance. Just post a real question next time.

daidaluz · February 11, 2005, 10:33:43

Quote from: IvandaWho are they?

They are Them. Is everybody who speaks about terminology and assumption in daily conversations that I don't get the point. It's like a wall that I can't penetrate, my pathways are closed to realize that there is no aggression against me. So I get irritated. People seems to be able to take everything into their own ground and I get lost in there. I feel like I live in the land of those who are more experienced than me, they speak freely and friendly, but it's like they're deceiving me. Why I can't stand up and make my own reality?. What is that I'm afraid of??

Looks like every situation has several view points as well as several reality chances to be explored...

Ezekiel L337 · February 11, 2005, 14:30:35

My best friend doesn't beleive i had an OBE, doesn't seem to bother me. The only person that can prove an OBE is real is the person performing it. I have chosen to stop telling people about my experience or the mechanics of Astral Projection. Some people just can see outside of the bottle neck.

Ivanda · February 11, 2005, 15:30:36

QuoteThey are Them. Is everybody who speaks about terminology and assumption in daily conversations that I don't get the point. It's like a wall that I can't penetrate, my pathways are closed to realize that there is no aggression against me. So I get irritated. People seems to be able to take everything into their own ground and I get lost in there. I feel like I live in the land of those who are more experienced than me, they speak freely and friendly, but it's like they're deceiving me. Why I can't stand up and make my own reality?. What is that I'm afraid of??

Oh, THEM. I always feel like this with other ppl. Sometimes I wonder, if I cannot express myself properly, but they always overpower me, like I dont know anything at all.

Sometimes I get mad, sometimes sad or both, but I guess it is normal. I feel my best when I`m alone engrossed in the stuff I like, then they dont matter really.

jason · February 11, 2005, 16:02:02

Thanks for the thoughtful responses.

I neglect to mention who "they" are because-1)I don't spread gossip,or talk about others specifically when they aren't around.2)I assume that many of you have run into this situation sometimes.

All this BS got me to thinking-

this is exactly why certain cultural elders don't just hand out knowledge like cookies.

and a fine point about answering with a question-Everything is a mystery anyways,and it keeps you free from being taken for granted.

I would also like to add that unless I know exactly who I'm dealing with,I'm not going to talk about it AT ALL.

Many people aren't ready to assimilate certain discoveries.

Banjoshee · February 11, 2005, 16:18:36

That's kind of an interesting way to get a conversation going, Jason.

jason · February 11, 2005, 16:33:35

Quote from: BanjosheeThat's kind of an interesting way to get a conversation going, Jason.

thank you.

It is interesting,but trying to get actual unbiased responses is nearly impossible.So many people are just sleepwalking through their entire life.

So You may try to wake them up,but instead they just kick you,and go to sleep again.

Banjoshee · February 12, 2005, 10:10:59

I'm musing here, so bear with me.

I'm a very slow assimilator of knowledge. I've been exploring the unseen realms for my whole life yet still don't have much of a clue. Sometimes I read something here or elsewhere that gets my mind thinking thinking thinking. If I'm lucky it all comes together with all these other musings in my head as a complete whole thought and direction. This can be immediate. Most times it's years in the making.

Sometimes when I think I have the thought, the AHAH!, I get very smug in my knowledge and go about spouting off. Course when I realize again I really have no clue, I'm embarrased that I did that!

This place is huge and perhaps we're all going through these cycles. Makes for stimulating and frustrating readings and responses.

Oops, gotta go.

daidaluz · February 12, 2005, 10:30:56

Quote from: jasonIt is interesting,but trying to get actual unbiased responses is nearly impossible.So many people are just sleepwalking through their entire life.

So You may try to wake them up,but instead they just kick you,and go to sleep again.

What a coincidence, the same has just happened to me

Banjoshee · February 13, 2005, 16:19:49

Teehee.

Iz happened to me, too.

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