AP Technique....Help Requested.

[wonderboy]

Hi,

I was wondering if you could clarify this a little more.
You mentally create a line of light or energy or so
going back out of you. But are you recapitulating the experiences
that bring you back to your birth, or is it just enough that you
picture this line which causes the ap?
Thanks,
Wonderboy

[Yerzak06]

im thinking that glowsoftly is meaning that we view our life as kind of a movie and playing it reverse, and when you finally reach your birth you go back to when you are a spiritual being. Same with death.

[glowsoftly]

Hi and thanks for the replies,
Sorry I wasn't very clear in my explanation. I visualize a line...it just happened to be a golden yellow colour. From my Solar Plexus (back side) extending out backwards...and mentally I visualize it going back and back into the past to when I was born. I find as soon as I hit the birth moment I fall forwards out of myself (astral body naturally falls out the physical).

I just thought it was kinda freaky at the time, and wanted to know if others experience the same thing. I hope you understand what I am saying...not very good with words.
Appreciate your thoughts

[Jeff_Mash]

Hi glowsoftly,

First off, welcome to the forums, and thank you for posting your technique.  I will be giving it a try this weekend.  First off, I hope you don't mind if I bombard you with a ton of questions, which will help some of us understand more about this:

1) I was wondering, though, does this technique work for you 100% of the time?  90%?  Less?  

2) Also, what state of relaxation are you in before you try this?  Do you just lay down, and immedietely start to visualize this connection back to your birth?  Or do you relax for 5-10 minutes to clear your thoughts, and THEN try this technique?

3) How far out do you see this imaginary line stretching behind you before it triggers an OBE?  Would you say in relation to your physical body that the line stretches out 15 feet?  100 feet?  

4) Is this line the same length everytime, and would it be longer if you were older?  

5) Do you do any other sort of energy work (i.e. drawing energy into your solar plexus chakra) before attemping this?

I think that is enough questions for now!  Looking forward to your answers.

[glowsoftly]

Hey Jeff
Excellent..you'll try it! Great..thanks! Can't wait to hear what happens.

Ok to answer your questions...here goes.

1) I was wondering, though, does this technique work for you 100% of the time? 90%? Less?

I only discovered it last week, I've tried about 20 times so far and have 100% got an exit.
I find that you have to move your conscious thought back down the line as it extends,like your consciousness is the arrowhead of a long spear,the exit is fast, a couple of times I have landed on my butt..lol For me it just pushes me out quite literally.

2) Also, what state of relaxation are you in before you try this? Do you just lay down, and immedietely start to visualize this connection back to your birth? Or do you relax for 5-10 minutes to clear your thoughts, and THEN try this technique?

I sit at my desk, close my eyes, take a deep breath and then concentrate,a few times when I've found it difficult is when I am not 100% focussed. So for me Focus is the real key. It hasn't required any energy work for me. I have praticed RB's NEW technique for a couple of years,and in the last six months I have praticed it every day, so I am sure that is an advantage for me.

3) How far out do you see this imaginary line stretching behind you before it triggers an OBE? Would you say in relation to your physical body that the line stretches out 15 feet? 100 feet?

Good question, hadn't even crossed my mind how long it is. I don't know to be honest...lol I am not sure it matters? its just staying focussed long enough to hit the birth or the death moment.  

4) Is this line the same length everytime, and would it be longer if you were older?

Sometimes the line is shorter than other times I've tried,I think that might be because I am able to move faster sometimes when concentrating. I'm talking fast here...first it took minutes...now I can do it in less than a minute and an aprox. guess the line is now down to around 6ft-12ft.

Interesting thought tho, I like the way you think.

5) Do you do any other sort of energy work (i.e. drawing energy into your solar plexus chakra) before attemping this?

No.

Like I said, I only discovered it last week, I appreciate your questions as it also helps me figure more out! After I tried it several times, I realised for def. that it was the technique causing it. Just really curious if other people had the same results.

Good luck with it

[TheSeeker]

Oooo.  I like the sound of that.  I can imagine what you mean, sounds a little difficult, but I will give it a try this weekend and let you know what happens.

[Jeff_Mash]

Glowsoftly,

Thank you for responding to my questions.  Here are some more (hehe, don't you just love it!):

1) When you say that you trace things back to your birth, are you consciously bringing up as many memories as possible and mentally saying to yourself, "Ok, that happened 2 years ago.  Now what happened before that?  ::another memory::  Ok, now what happened before that? etc."  Is that what's going on mentally, or are you just trying to focus on the birthing event and wait for the projection to be induced?

2) Have you ever tried this from a prone or lying down position?

I have never projected from a sitting position, so since I will be lying down, I will have to imagine the energetic line going downwards (instead of outwards).  I wonder what effect that will have on you if you did this lying down.

3) How long has your average OBE lasted from this technique, since you've said that you've had roughly 20 of them by doing this?

That's it for now.  Thanks for the quick response.

[glowsoftly]

Hi Seeker []
Let us know how you get on with your experiment.
Are you an Oddysey 5 fan?
Goodluck

[glowsoftly]

Hi Jeff []

You ask away...really its no problemo.

1) When you say that you trace things back to your birth, are you consciously bringing up as many memories as possible and mentally saying to yourself, "Ok, that happened 2 years ago. Now what happened before that? ::another memory:: Ok, now what happened before that? etc." Is that what's going on mentally, or are you just trying to focus on the birthing event and wait for the projection to be induced?

No, I don't bring any memories or events into it except making the conscious decision to go back untill the point of birth is reached. I am literally projecting my conscious backwards until the point of birth/death. Its all very simple. So its just a marker/point I am trying to reach.

2) Have you ever tried this from a prone or lying down position?

No not yet, I also predominantly always AP from a lying down position myself also, I find it easier to concentrate. Hold on...let me try it...why not eh... Nope I couldn't do it lying down! how weird eh...I just couldn't get the line to go down. I tried extending a line forward to my death,no problem got out ok. So for some reason you need space to create the line, its possible and probaly that its just a mental block thing? Will experiment more and let you know.

I have never projected from a sitting position, so since I will be lying down, I will have to imagine the energetic line going downwards (instead of outwards). I wonder what effect that will have on you if you did this lying down.

See above...it didn't work going backwards to the birth point, only forwards to the death point.

3) How long has your average OBE lasted from this technique, since you've said that you've had roughly 20 of them by doing this?

Short, a few minutes wondering looking around the room to make sure I really was having an AP rather than a mental projection. But it was a conscious decision to return to my body. I find it quite difficult to AP and stay within close proximity of my body also, nomally I jump out and jump off It wasn't really my intention to AP anywhere whilst I've been trying the technique, so far its just been about getting out.

Do you AP Jeff? anyway big thanks Jeff, you've given me even more discoveries! []

[dkj400]

Is there anything surronding this line? A Wormhole effect, pitch dark, pure light?

[Jeff_Mash]

Hi Glow.  You don't mind that I call you Glow now, do you? []

quote:Originally posted by glowsoftly
No not yet, I also predominantly always AP from a lying down position myself also, I find it easier to concentrate. Hold on...let me try it...why not eh... Nope I couldn't do it lying down! how weird eh...I just couldn't get the line to go down. I tried extending a line forward to my death,no problem got out ok. So for some reason you need space to create the line, its possible and probaly that its just a mental block thing? Will experiment more and let you know.

I don't know.  For me, there is something, well, freaky about focusing on my "death point!"  I don't like to imagine myself at the moment of death, so I don't know if I will try that.

Instead, I may substitute a little bit, and do something Monroe talked about.  He would focus on a point in front of him, a few feet away at a 30 degree angle.  He talks about this in his first book, but I have never really explored the technique.  But your technique is very similiar, so perhaps you're both hitting on the same concept.

However, you seem to project relatively quickly from this (Oh how I envy you!).  

quote:
Do you AP Jeff?

I sure do.  []  It all started a little over 5 years ago at the age of 23.  I'm now...let's see....5 plus 23 equals.....28!  Yes, I'm 28 now, and I've had well over 100 OBE's.

You're new around here, so you may not know, but I even designed a computer program to record and analyze these experiences.  Perhaps you can take a look at it, use it, and tell me what you think?  You can download it for free here: http://www.obejournal.com

quote:
anyway big thanks Jeff, you've given me even more discoveries! []

No, thank YOU.  I look forward to talking to you more.  If you have MSN Messenger, you can add me to your contact list by using my email address: jeff@myjokemail.com

[glowsoftly]

Really Robert Monroe had a similar technique? Wow thats just freaky! I must take a look at some of his books sometime, I have a long wish list of books. Sadly a few years back, I saw RM's first book,first edition in a second hand shop, but didn't have enough money to buy it brought the Celestine Prophesy instead which was weird because it hadn't come out in the UK at the time.

Sorry I'm rambling [:I]

[glowsoftly]

Hi dkj400

It appears as a bright yellow golden line aprox 6/8cm wide.
Nothing else special about it.

interesting idea tho.

[Kerrblur]

Hey Glow,

I hope to be talking to you more about this, but I have some questions to ask you.

Me and my Dislecksic(error!) problems have made me ask you probably some non sense questions so sorry if you discussed it already, just gotta get more info.

This Technique that you say is a line that goes 'through?' the solar plexus.  Now so I can fully understand this,

(1) you imagine yourself going up this 'Yellow Golden' line, while at the same time imagineing being born?!?! lol im sorry but lol takes long for me to understand.

(2) Once you are at the top of this line, you gradually go back down the line even past your body and further downward to your death? like you imagine how you die?!?! You imagine yourself in some kind of heaven?

(3) once at the bottom do you keep the pattern of going up and down, or do you just do one or the other?

(4) When visualizing yourself 'following' the line of birth/death, I'll call it LOL 'The Life Line Technique', are you visualizing it as a first person(your own eyes) view? or  at a different perspective in the room(like a RPG game)?

Well sorry if my questions are alittle fetchy, lol gotta consciously(non-lucid) do a believable OBE.  I can only project from a dream, and its still hard. if this works, I'll tell everyone bout your
'Life Line Technique' lol

[glowsoftly]

Hi Ryan

Well personally I recommend RB's techniques and book on AP to everyone, thats what worked for me and helped me get out first time. I was so impressed with what I learned here on the site I brought his book to help support his work. I discovered this technique? and was just curious if it worked for others, thats all. If others find it works too, then my hope would be RB would investigate it a little more (he is very good at that) and expand on it...you never know.

I suffer from dyslexia myself, and find words very difficult too, so I wouldn't worry about it. I just try and do the best I can when writing.

Anyway here goes for your questions:

(1) you imagine yourself going up this 'Yellow Golden' line, while at the same time imagineing being born?!?! lol im sorry but lol takes long for me to understand.

hehe..its ok...I struggle to write what I am trying to say, so I understand. Concentrate on your solar plexus, imagine, create a line going backwards into the past..as you create the line...go down it...till you reach the time when you were born. You don't have to imagine the details nothing like that..just the time.

(2) Once you are at the top of this line, you gradually go back down the line even past your body and further downward to your death? like you imagine how you die?!?! You imagine yourself in some kind of heaven?

No,the end of the line will be either (depending on which way you move) either the TIME of your death or birth. Your just focusing on the time...I don't mean a date....just a POINT in time.

(3) once at the bottom do you keep the pattern of going up and down, or do you just do one or the other?

Just ONE way! So far..and I've only been experimenting but I have found if I go backwards its to my birth OR forward to my death. Just one, not both..I'm not sure what would happen if you do both..I'll try that later...I hope I don't explode! lol

(4) When visualizing yourself 'following' the line of birth/death, I'll call it LOL 'The Life Line Technique', are you visualizing it as a first person(your own eyes) view? or at a different perspective in the room(like a RPG game)?

Well it just feels like my mind/consciousness is moving backwards..which creates the line...till I reach the birth/death point...then I literally am pushed out of my body and my consciousness jumps to my AP body.

I wouldn't consider myself an experienced APer or anything like that..this isn't some grand technique...I just accidently stumbled on it..and wanted to know if others experienced the same thing...thats all really.

I hope you might understand a little better Ryan but if not, just ask more questions, really its ok []

[Kerrblur]

Hey Glow,

   Thanks for the answers, And yes I have the 'Astral Dynamics' form RB.  It was a great book, but before this book, I havnt did nothing with OBE but just herd it on tv and had them(thought they were nightmares/dreams lol)  

 But lol again with the book, I had a hard time understanding it, but I have gotten to understand it now little more.  okay, with this line your visualizing,

- It is horizontally through you when sitting up, but technically Vertical when laying down?

-  You have done this while sitting down and while doing this technique? -  will your Astral Body automatically push out from the front or will it go out at any way?

-  if I am going to put my focus behind me, where Will i end up? lol  

[APGuy]

When you are going to birth do you imagine going backwards like your facing your body and when you're imagining of going to death you go forwards facing away from your body.  Also when you go along the line as it's created do you focus your conciousness in it like a tunnel.  Thanks in advance.[]

[glowsoftly]

Hi Ryan []

- It is horizontally through you when sitting up, but technically Vertical when laying down?

The line is horizontal but it doesn't go through you, depending on which time point (birth/death) you are trying to reach, it either comes out from your back or your front!

- You have done this while sitting down and while doing this technique? - will your Astral Body automatically push out from the front or will it go out at any way?

So far all exits have been from the front, slighty towards my left side, but hey it maybe different for you.

- if I am going to put my focus behind me, where Will i end up? lol

I find reaching either time point will project you forwards.

I hope that helps []
goodluck

[glowsoftly]

Hi APguy []

I'm a little confused what you mean? You don't face any direction? You focus your attention on the Solar plexus..until your attention is completly at that point then you move it forwards or backwards depending on which point you have decided to reach.

I hope I have understood you correctly...I'm not sure..let me know.
Thanks for giving it a go []

[APGuy]

quote:Originally posted by glowsoftly

Hi APguy []

I'm a little confused what you mean? You don't face any direction? You focus your attention on the Solar plexus..until your attention is completly at that point then you move it forwards or backwards depending on which point you have decided to reach.

I hope I have understood you correctly...I'm not sure..let me know.
Thanks for giving it a go []

I see.  I thought that it was a tunnel that you made a double in so I thought the double would face the same direction that the body is facing.  Now I think I understand.  You make a decision to focus your conciousness into your solar plexus and then symbolize your conciousness as a line.  You then stretch the line to either your place of birth or death from a 3^rd person view.  Please correct me if I'm wrong on this. When the line is going in search of the time what is surrounding it blackness, light, outer space with stars in the background etc.?  And does the line stay straight?

[glowsoftly]

Hi APguy []

When you are at the Solar plexus point...push your consciousness out towards your birth time point (this creates the line..as it moves towards that point). You don't have to make a line...when you move your consciousness create/imagine one behind it. I didn't make any background colour etc around it. Hope that helps.

Sorry guys...I should have attempted to write a detailed technique really before we started...my bad. I probaly wouldn't have been able to do that myself, you guys have all really helped me flesh this out with your questions [8D] many thanks

[Huwie]

If I may interject?

Robert Monroe's line-extending technique was apparently nothing more than a way of inducing the vibrational state.  I think the reason he did it was because he ended up looking upwards, in other words rolling his eyes back.  Robert Bruce mentions this also, and says it's just a way of making the vibrations stronger.

[glowsoftly]

WoW Huwie []

How Facinating......you just helped me out with something different I'm working on! Big Thankyou [:X] [8]

[Huwie]

Hehehe!  Erm....you're welcome? [|)]

[Kerrblur]

Glow,

    Okay, Got a question for yea, off the technique.  Before I go, your technique is rediculous!!! If I didnt have this one problem I think I would have projected!  

 Okay, When ever I go into a trance state, I get ridiculous ichy, 'somethings crawling on me' feelings, and in robert's book, he claims its the light trance state, honoestly thats where I'm stuck.  I have gotten to alot strong trances before and then I always tell myself ' OO! i know how i did that now' but then i never do, see I'm trying to learn by myself, i dont have any special books, but a few, so I basicly thought how to meditate myself and stuff heh.  How do I get past the Ichy stage?