Nick,
I've been using wave 1 of the gateway series, and i think i'm getting some results from it. It seems to put me into what they refer to as focus 10 (mind awake/body asleep) more reliably than i can do on my own. Also... i just ordered the rest of the gateway series and should be recieving it in the mail within a couple days. I'll be sure to keep everyone posted if i find them to helpful.
~nathan
Thanks for the reply nstkd8/nathan. Maybe that's what I should do. Buy the first wave and see how it works for me. I'll look forward to reading what you have to say about the rest of the series when you're ready to do so.[^]
Follow up - since I first posted this (along w/ a similar query in the Astral Consciousness forum) I received some links and suggestions.
I've read over prior posts on Astral Phasing and focus levels. Next, I went to the Monroe Institue website and read over the Hemi-Sync FAQ's.
Lastly, I decided to order the Wave I CD's and try them for a while. Adrian recommended the book Ultimate Journey by Robert Monroe which I've purchased.
Thanks to all. This forum is a great reservoir of knowledge. I appreciate it very much.
Very Best,
i've been trying the binaural sounds for a month and a bit with the gateway series, I had to stop because it appears it creates too much energy in my head area if I have sex/masturbate I start feeling sharp pains in my head, however if I stop listening to the hemisync cd's after a week or so it disappears so it looks like I can't use the tapes as often as I want to but I do get a physical reaction to it though even if i afterwards do it on my own.
I have been using the Gateway Series for a few years now. It is definately worth every penny. The Gateway Series by the Monroe Institute is nothing short of amazing. It will teach you how to achieve several distinct states of awareness and you will be able to use these in your projection work. It also uses many of the same techniques or variations of the techniques that Robert Bruce describes in Astral Dynamics. The series will allow you to learn how to move your brain/mind/astral body into these different states of awareness at will - regardless of if you are trying to project or just walk down the sidewalk. The best thing about them is that once you master the different focus levels you will be able to apply them to all aspects of your life. When you can shift your own awareness it is like many of the drugs that are out on the streets. People take them to change the way they feel and experience life. When you learn to make these electro-chemical shifts on your own your ability to percieve outside of the physical is dramatically increased.
-Tellman Knudson
weagle,
If I were you I would probably post a query on the Astral Consciouness forum re your situation. As at the moment I am just learning about Wave-1. There are a lot of members who might offer you some good advice.
Take care,
Tellman,
Thank you very much for your informative post. It's good to read your endorsement as I just purchased the Wave-1 cds and am looking forward to them.
Having been doing the Robert Bruce method of NEW energy work, and astral work every day for a number of months, I look forward to integrating the Monroe Institute cds.
Very Best,
Hi guys, I've been reading your conversation on these CD's and have looked on the internet for them...looks like the first set is $90-99. Anyways, I'm just beginning to read ASTRAL DYNAMICS. Would you recommend that I get these CD's and start using them now? Or would you recommend me getting them upon completion of the book?
Dr NoX,
You'll have to hear what some of the others have to say with regard to the Monroe Institute Wave-1 cds, as I've been working only on the Astral Dynamics book by Robert Bruce for a number of months. You certainly should read his book. I plan on using/integrating the Wave-1 cds when I receive them from the Monroe Institute.
However, others more experienced with the hemi-sync cds may have more detailed information for you. I'd suggest checking out the Astral Consciousness forum. Maybe even posting your question there.
I've gotten some excellent responses from members on another post of mine in that forum.
Very Best,
Thanks...will do.
Hello
I've now reached wave 7 of the Gateway cds. I've found that the exercises have provided me with many high quality experiences but tend to feel that I'm not really getting any closer to having an out of body experience using these exercises. I get the vibrations and feelings of deep relaxation but find that nothing really happens other than that, I can spend any amount of time with strong vibrations, thinking of floating upwards, but never leave my body and so tend to feel that, if there is a secret in how to leave your body, the cds have not taught me what it is, at least up to this point in time.
Having said that, I still feel that the experience has been very worthwhile, but just not in having an oobe.
Brian
Brian,
Thank you for your post and for sharing your experiences. My plan, when I receive the Wave-1 cds from the Monroe Institute, is to try to integrate those experiences into the Astral Dynamics methods that I have been using so far. I guess all we can do is to keep experimenting with methods of relaxation, trance and so on. Hopefully, persistence will be the key to success.
Very Best,
I have not yet reached wave 7, but my experiences with the gateway cd's do not seem to be leading to an OBE. I'm not yet sure if they are of any value... but i'll keep you posted.
~nathan
Nick I am planning to do the same, work with NEW and the gateway experience. I've been using them for a while now, mainly focus 3 and 10 but I cannot reach f10 especially in such a short time. They are great for relaxing, and I use them to try WILD afterwards since hemi-sync does seem to have an effect. Ultimate Journey was a great book though, and it's always good to see others' perspectives on OBE.
Good luck
Whoever's using hemi-sync, keep us posted on progress.
Albert,
Thanks for the post. Just returned home from work and found the Wave I - Discovery CD package in my mailbox from the Monroe Institute. Now I can try using and learning the hemi-sync cds w/ what I've been doing so far (Astral Dynamics method).
Almost finished reading Ultimate Journey. Just one chapter left. Great book! Next,I'll read Robert Monroe's other two books.
I agree, it's good to see other people's points of view on spiritual topics like AP/OBE.
Very best,
Nathan,
Thanks for the post. Since I have yet to start with Wave-1 (maybe tonight)I don't know at this moment what experiences to expect.
You might want to post a question along the lines of what you've been experiencing (or not experiencing) on this or the Astral Consciousness forum.
In any event, I'll be interested to hear how things develop for you with the Wave cds.
Take care,
Hello Ive been using Holosync CDs for the last 3 weeks and up to now Ive had two OBEs Ive used the rope method since thats the only thing that works for me .The only trouble the experience isnt as clear as when I dont use the CDs . Since I only manage about one OBE per year with out the Holosync technology and find getting into a trance state to hard I will keep using Holosync. can any one give me the web addressfor the CDs you guys where talking about.
Many thanks Stephen
Stephen,
The website that I went to was for the Monroe Institute. Once at the website I followed the links to Hemi-Sync. There, I bought the Wave-1 cds over the internet. Here are the links:
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/
http://www.hemi-sync.com/index2.htm
I'm not familiar with the Holosync cds you mention, are they binaural sound cds also?
Thanks for that Nick.
Yes they are binaural cds. Ive enjoyed the meditation experience Ive had with them and would recomend giving the site a look its www.centerpointe.com
Regards
Stephen
Stephen,
Thanks for posting that website on Holosync. I've learned of some interesting sites to visit since I began reading posts on this forum.
Very best,
I have worked with Getaway experience (21 Cds). Eventually I gave up and have stopped to us them.
This is my experience with using it.
Whole series is based on hemi-sync "binaural" sound and guided instructions. It did not help me to achieve OBE . Main reason for it was (I think) that every time I've started to get into altered state of conscience voiced guidance totally disrupted my concentration.
Let me put it this way if the first set does not help you to get OBE rest of series will not help either. If the first set helps you to get OBE you do not need the rest.
Never less I would recommend it may work for you and please do not make your decision strictly based on my posting , because other people are quite satisfied with it.
I wish you happy OBEying.
delure,
Thanks for the post. I only bought Wave-1 and will likely not buy any more. I've been listening to them for a short while and tend to like the 2nd part of the first Cd. After I listen to that and get into it, I take off the headphones when he starts to bring me out. Then I just continue on myself.
I think that maybe after a while of doing this I'll just go back to working without any cd. However, for now I'm giving it a try.
It's a learning experience, and I've been learning. This website has a lot of knowledgeable people including you, so welcome aboard.
Very best,
My experience with binaural was not very good at all. For me it actually set my progress back. It set me back because binaural makes you give up conscious control over some of the functions of your brain that elicit a consciously controled oobe. The result of binaural was a dependancy on the gadget in order to have an oobe. I think an important aim when learning to have oobe is to gain conscious control over the experience not give it up to a gadget.
noitarbiv,
Thanks for the post. The jury is still out on the cds with me as I have only been using them for less than a week. The only set I bought was Wave-1. I don't see any reason to buy any more. From what most people are saying the others aren't very useful.
It may well be that I'll go back to not using any cds before long, however, I think I'll give them a little try first.
Very best,
QuoteOriginally posted by Nick
noitarbiv,
Thanks for the post. The jury is still out on the cds with me as I have only been using them for less than a week.
Hi Nick, I've been using the Wave 1 track 2 since 7th April as posted on your other thread. It has been a very worthwhile and interesting exercise. The visualisation that Frank goes to great length to illustrate has been a key component. I tried to invent my own but got frustrated with the too many options and opted to use Franks senario with my own modifications added to suit me.
Learning to ballance the conscious awearness by keeping attention on the senarios at hand and not drifting of into dreams/sleep has been dificult but starting to pay off. There have been days when I've thought its a wast of time and a bit gimmicky to be using my imagination this way but the last two times have had very real outcomes for me.
I'm not 100%sure if I'm even reaching F10 state yet, but there is definatly a lot of new activity , subtle vibration, and switching between the "protective sense of awearness" which is as Frank says is something that we get used to. I actually got excited as I as I began the exercise these past two runs with the cd.
It's dificult for me to have the perfect circumstances at present as it is school holidays and three kids running round the house during the times I prefer to put the CD/phones on.
I'm now looking forward to each oppertunity I get to use the cd/exercise as I know it is leading me toward something worthwhile.
Hope this helps Nick -
Cheers
Hi Harvey,
Thanks for the post. I seem to like the structure of the Wave 1 Track 2 to get the ball rolling. The visualization part is what I've been working on. There are times that I think I'm in focus 10, but I'm not so sure anymore.
Frank's posts (and other people too) have all been helpful. So the cd is something we can experiment with as you've done too. My plan is to continue along a while and see what develops.
Also, I like what I've learned from Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics, that is, getting to a relaxed state, trance, and doing his NEW system. I've been doing the RB method since early this year and it has definite results with the energy work. No obe yet though.
So I'm doing both that and the cd now which is an interesting mixture. Still in the experimental stage. I like the idea of the hemispheric synchronization as well.
Please keep us posted on your experiences.
Very best,
From my experience I had to discontinue using hemi sync/wave 1 and even the NEW system (combined) from robert bruce because it was causing head pains when I do body awareness exercises and when I have sex (too much energy to the head causing pain) results may vary in others. The only three things I am going to do which everyone agrees upon is to do the staring at objects and close the eyes technique and retain the image, being consciously aware of what you're doing all day and eliminating the ego's, commanding body parts to relax and doing the 5-6 hour technique ie wakeup after 5hours wash your face, then after 30mins go back to sleep for next few hours (I got many results with this), you can checkout mysticweb.org they have free courses on astral projection/esoteric/self knowledge courses they explained the ego thing in detail and made me understand what is the projection of the mind (ie dreams) and true obe's and can't wait for the other lessons that explain how to abolish ego's they explain the 5-6hour technique there as well so does stephen laberge at lucidity.com (read the faq).
weagle,
Thanks for the post. We all seem to be seeking an obe, and are each experimenting with known methods that, hopefully, will bear some constructive results. So, I'm still at the point that I described in an earlier post, of experimenting with RB's method and Monroe's.
Let us know how the other methods work. All input is valuable. Thanks for posting those two web links also.
Very best,
Hi Weagle,
Do you still get head pains?
If you do it might be because of some kind of congestion of energy in your head. A good thing i learned to help with this is to draw your energy down from your head to your feet and up to the sub-navel region Bruce talkes about, 2-3 times a day. Another thing that helps is keeping your tounge placed on the roof of your mouth while moving energy to and from your head and body.
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Originally posted by weagle
From my experience I had to discontinue using hemi sync/wave 1 and even the NEW system (combined) from robert bruce because it was causing head pains when I do body awareness exercises and when I have sex (too much energy to the head causing pain) results may vary in others. The only three things I am going to do which everyone agrees upon is to do the staring at objects and close the eyes technique and retain the image, being consciously aware of what you're doing all day and eliminating the ego's, commanding body parts to relax and doing the 5-6 hour technique ie wakeup after 5hours wash your face, then after 30mins go back to sleep for next few hours (I got many results with this), you can checkout mysticweb.org they have free courses on astral projection/esoteric/self knowledge courses they explained the ego thing in detail and made me understand what is the projection of the mind (ie dreams) and true obe's and can't wait for the other lessons that explain how to abolish ego's they explain the 5-6hour technique there as well so does stephen laberge at lucidity.com (read the faq).
I been using the Gateway Experience CD:s for two years and they do work. They may not produce results while listening but many times after the CD track has finished by itself.
One thing to remember: it is NOT the CD that induce the OBE. It is you. I would say the skill to induce an OBE is 90% based on intention and motivation and only 10% is technique.
Sasser, Soul Travel Magazine, http://www.soultravel.nu/
Hi Sasser,
First of all, I would like to complement you on a great website. I discovered it last month and have gone back to it a number of times. The articles and reviews are very worthwhile.
Thank you for your input regarding the Gateway cds, and the advice regarding motivation and intent. What I was curious about was whether you have been using all the Waves or just Wave-1? If you have been using every Wave set (up to Wave-VII) would you recommend buying them all? All I have been working with is Wave-1. There are two different opinions that I've read at this forum where some people advocate all the cds, and others just Wave-1.
Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Nick, I've been doing the meditation series since January and am at level 2 of the Gateway program under the training of an accredited Monroe Institute facilitator. I have done up to Focus 21 but currently am feeling very comfortable with getting to Focus 12 easily on my own or with hemi-sync tones. F12 is a very intuitive state that brings on synthesia..a different way to communicate...it's best described as being expansive as the mind or consciousness can reach out or expand to where it wants to be..also known as the "Pillsbury Doughboy Effect". I would say, yes it's worth buying the tapes/CDs...but I also recommend trying to find a good facilitator. We work in small groups for a couple of hours each week and have homework to practice. But the tapes are self-guiding...it's just good to have someone else to share the experience with. Look forward to hearing how you make out. I'm off to a session now. Cheers...
Source2Energy,
Thanks for the nice post! Since I wrote my original query back on April 3rd, I've bought and have been using the Wave-1 cds. Having gone through them a number of times, I've found that I like using one particular track right now (disk 1, track 2 of the 3 cd set).
Did you go about finding a facilitator through the Monroe Institute? I live in Ventura, California which is about an hour and fifteen minutes north of LA. Maybe there are facilitators in this area.
I may be interested in purchasing the Wave II cds. At this point, I think I may be experiencing Focus 10 at times. It would be nice to talk with others similarly situated to relate experiences with though.
Let me know, if you get a chance, just how you went about finding a facilitator. Meanwhile, I'm going to visit the Monroe Institue and Hemi-Sync websites to see if I can learn about it there.
Very best,
Hi Nick,
By a stream of random events, the Monroe Institute came to me...what do they say...when a teacher is needed...he/she will be there! My teacher/facilitator is originally from France and was trained at the Monroe Institute in Virginia. He is located in my city home city of Winnipeg (midwest Canada)and I understand there is an newer facility in Montreal that he has attended for programs. He also sells the CDs and tapes (there is a website I can point you to)...probably get good value for your $US. Good selection of Hemi-Sync music as well.
No doubt you have experienced F10 many times...ever find yourself mesmerized driving along the highway....ever zone out at a boring meeting??? That's F10...in fact, I now use it for those boring business meetings...I look attentive, but my consciousness is fully absorbed in things I want to do (i.e. mind awake and body asleep). To quote an article..."Various extraordinary abilities such as clairsentience, clairvoyance and hypersentience are possible in F10"
We had neat results last evening in F12...working in partners we set up an energy field between us while in F12...a sender prepared a question and sent it out to the universe...the receiver retrieved the question (this is all mentally) and recorded the response. In comparing the notes afterwards...it was very intuitive and responses were appropriate. A bit of a game but also a good test to see where this can take you. We practice on our own as well, but the facilitated approach gives you a sense of being guided (and we use all types of guidance)and prepared for the different skill levels.
I'll try to answer your questions...being a nubie myself I'm sure you will find others in your locale that are much more experienced. I have been fascinated with this part of life for ever (my teacher tells me I am many thousands of years old from another world and here only to check out Earth because it was highly recommended...well Happy Earth Day Everyone!)Hope to hear more of your experiences. Off to yoga (another good opportunity to sink into the meditative state with excellent results)...Grab some energy...Cheers:))
Greetings Source2Energy,
Good hearing from you! Am looking forward to continuing on with the Hemi-Sync studies and seeing what awaits. Right now I'm getting my sessions rolling with the Wave-1 cds, and fortunately, nice things are starting to happen.
Sounds like you have a great group of people up there!
Very best,
they're less I ain't doing anymore body awareness/hemi sync til it subsides completely. I have been doing robert bruce's body awareness like you mentioned full circuit from feet upto the head then from head to subnaval still the head is active somehow and the hemisync just amplifies it a thousand fold or something regardless if I do body awareness exercises or not the brain gets super sensitive then when say I do sex ie blood starts rushing around the body faster as the heart beats faster I start to get the pains but they are less now for now I am just doing what I said I will do which can help one achieve obe since whats the sense of ob'ing if it's a projection of the mind (false obe?) you still have to work on concentration/eliminating ego's and awareness exercises anyways, anyone can pull off an obe by doing the 5-6hour technique mind 50% of the time stays awake and alert while body false off to sleep.
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Originally posted by noitarbiv
Hi Weagle,
Do you still get head pains?
If you do it might be because of some kind of congestion of energy in your head. A good thing i learned to help with this is to draw your energy down from your head to your feet and up to the sub-navel region Bruce talkes about, 2-3 times a day. Another thing that helps is keeping your tounge placed on the roof of your mouth while moving energy to and from your head and body.
quote:
Originally posted by weagle
From my experience I had to discontinue using hemi sync/wave 1 and even the NEW system (combined) from robert bruce because it was causing head pains when I do body awareness exercises and when I have sex (too much energy to the head causing pain) results may vary in others. The only three things I am going to do which everyone agrees upon is to do the staring at objects and close the eyes technique and retain the image, being consciously aware of what you're doing all day and eliminating the ego's, commanding body parts to relax and doing the 5-6 hour technique ie wakeup after 5hours wash your face, then after 30mins go back to sleep for next few hours (I got many results with this), you can checkout mysticweb.org they have free courses on astral projection/esoteric/self knowledge courses they explained the ego thing in detail and made me understand what is the projection of the mind (ie dreams) and true obe's and can't wait for the other lessons that explain how to abolish ego's they explain the 5-6hour technique there as well so does stephen laberge at lucidity.com (read the faq).
Greetings Nick from north of the 49th, wishing you a beautiful day and much success with your energy work. Happy exploring!
weagle,
Just an update in light of your recent post. Since I've integrated the Wave-1 cds into what I've been doing, I've had to make some adjustments.
Like you, I was doing the full body circuit, as I wrote earlier. Now, what seems to work is for me to do the Wave-1 cds, with just a little bit of the NEW at the moment. I find I'm implementing a greater percentage of Monroe than Bruce at this time.
Everthing is experimental, and we all may react differently, as you know. You are right, doing both can be intense. So, perhaps the outlook should be to be flexible, and that's exactly what you're doing. Best of luck.
After reading a good deal of posts I believe I may be like a number of you. It seems like I have come very close to separation but yet can't say I've had a full conscious exit projection.
Relaxation and trance seem good. Energy work is good. Pre-OBE sensations that I get include: tingling type vibrations, whirring/humming sounds at times in my ears, some popping at times in the ears, falling sensations, floating sensations that seem like I'm rising upward. Also I've seen hypnogogic images, what appears to be some light through closed eyelids, and the occassional pinpoint of light. I'm probably forgetting something but that's most of it.
Now to the question: with all of what I've been experiencing does anyone feel it would be worthwhile to buy the Gateway series?
I have read many of you mention Focus and other terms which I'm not familiar with. Does anyone have some advice re whether the Gateway tapes/cds would be an assist at this point?
Thanks in advance for your time in responding.