Astral Bank?

[dominatus]

Well, first of all we must take into account the random movement of energy in the universe, such is the case in diffusion, where molecules spread in a timely fashion.  There would have to be something to permenantly hold this massive energy in.  There are probably billons of souls that would love to get their hands on this extra energy from every place in the universe.  So it would have to be secure and only let those who you truly wanted to access it access it.  Im not sure if you would be able to set a spell to make energy constantly form a barrier somewhere and collect energy to put in it, so if this would not be the case then you would have to rely on some third-party source such as other souls on the astral plane to constantly watch and maintain it.  If spirits would be willing to do this task then Im sure something of this sort could be accomplished where they'd contribute and store this energy safely and keep it away from other forces, good or evil.  Another thing is that this area might get unwanted attention because of other lower lifeforms on the astral would be attracted to all of this strong and powerful energy, and could possibly start joining forces to try and have access to it.  I don't think this idea would really have much logical purpose as souls wouldn't want to maintain this for a long time for no benefit of their own.  It is a very interesting thought though.

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by Palehorse

This thought occurred to me after reading Robert Bruce's article on what happens after death.  According to him, one stays in the RTZ until the supply of etheric energy in the body runs out, correct?  

Well thats just a load of tosh. Ive not read the article so can someone enlighten me as to where Robert Bruce says he got his info from?

[Moonburn33]

i think you should deprive yourself of sleep more often.

[astralspinner]

According to a book I have on vampirism, it's actually pretty easy for a spirit to help itself to excess energy from living humans - especially when they're asleep.

I seem to recall RB mentioning somewhere about absorbing the excess energy large crowds of humans generate - like at a football game when somebody's just scored.

So by all accounts, there's enough of the stuff floating around anyway, without needing a bank for it.

After all, that's presumably how the parasites in the RTZ stay there when they're not alive..

[Syke]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

quote:Originally posted by Palehorse

This thought occurred to me after reading Robert Bruce's article on what happens after death.  According to him, one stays in the RTZ until the supply of etheric energy in the body runs out, correct?  

Well thats just a load of tosh. Ive not read the article so can someone enlighten me as to where Robert Bruce says he got his info from?

Yeah i also read that. I believe it was in his online treatise on OBE's.
But it has been a while since i read it, i think he says you have enough energy left for about 7 days but thats goin by shady memory.

Of course this may conflict with religious belief, but... oh well.

[Palehorse]

quote:Originally posted by Hephaestus

Well thats just a load of tosh. Ive not read the article so can someone enlighten me as to where Robert Bruce says he got his info from?

I got the ideas mostly from the section in his OBE Treatise called "Death" as well as the article on "The Silence of our Dead" or something like that.  As for where he got it from, I'd imagine it comes from the same place most of his stuff does... personal experience.

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

i think you should deprive yourself of sleep more often.

Heh... work and school has often left me with no choice lately; thank gawd for spring break.  Sleep deprivation might make for some interesting (and/or incoherent) posts, but I get the impression that it's not very good for my AP efforts.

quote:Originally posted by Syke
Yeah i also read that. I believe it was in his online treatise on OBE's.
But it has been a while since i read it, i think he says you have enough energy left for about 7 days but thats goin by shady memory.

Of course this may conflict with religious belief, but... oh well.

Yeah, that sounds right.  And yeah, a lot of this stuff conflicts with my religious beliefs... but I try to take an "I'll know when I get there" approach to most claims, whether they're made by Paul of Taursus or Robert Bruce of Australia, heh.  Then again, I'm also not one of those people who thinks that being mistaken in one's beliefs is some sort of thought-crime worthy of an eternity of fiery punishment.  Until we either die or verify the truth via some other means, it's all essentially speculation and heresay anyway.

I do have a lot of thoughts circulating about this "intermediate" period after death, though... maybe I'll post on that tomorrow.

quote:Originally posted by astralspinner

According to a book I have on vampirism, it's actually pretty easy for a spirit to help itself to excess energy from living humans - especially when they're asleep.

I seem to recall RB mentioning somewhere about absorbing the excess energy large crowds of humans generate - like at a football game when somebody's just scored.

So by all accounts, there's enough of the stuff floating around anyway, without needing a bank for it.

After all, that's presumably how the parasites in the RTZ stay there when they're not alive..

Good points... but I'd wager that the vast majority of people who pass on don't have any idea about any of this.  Then again, I suppose they wouldn't know how to find or use such a bank either, and I don't have any idea how one would go about starting a decent PR campaign in the astral.  So hm.

[Huwie]

I just thought I'd add this.  According to Robert Monroe, people who die rapidly lose all interest in Earth affairs anyway.  Sounds about right to me.  I mean, suddenly you're thrust into this whole other reality!  Who would care about that boring old space/time continuum after that? []

[holy reality]

quote:Originally posted by astralspinner

According to a book I have on vampirism, it's actually pretty easy for a spirit to help itself to excess energy from living humans - especially when they're asleep.

I seem to recall RB mentioning somewhere about absorbing the excess energy large crowds of humans generate - like at a football game when somebody's just scored.

So by all accounts, there's enough of the stuff floating around anyway, without needing a bank for it.

After all, that's presumably how the parasites in the RTZ stay there when they're not alive..

though i don't particularly believe in RB's afterlife/spirits/negs theories... based upon HIS way of looking at things, I'd absolutely agree..... why need a bank when you can go leech off of sleeping people you dislike, or something?

That would be pretty funny actually.... though... I don't know if RB thinks there are any consequences upon the victim of mild energy theft while they sleep... since I think he thinks we are refilling ourselves while we sleep in the first place.

[innerpilot]

This reminds me of how the Catholic church got itself in trouble  for "selling" shares of a bank similar to this. For an earthly donation, one could buy years off one's waiting time for advancement into heaven (after death). I think the practice is now prohibited. One has always to be cautious to discern whether it's really a personal experience with death, or a conclusion drawn about some experience that seems what death might be like. Especially if the reporter is still alive. Near death is not death. A near death experience is not a death experience.

[LogoRat]

I agree with astralspinner!

There are plenty of creatures, vampires that know how to stay around and get the energy they need to stay "down here".

Unaware people are like a small sun on speed.
Best once i think, are those that are depressed and excrement.
Or those that are dreaming nightmares etc.

I guess you can trigger people(tickle them) to burst out energy.
By making them scared etc.
Guess thats what poltergeist use to get their energy and other ghosts.

[Palehorse]

This thought occurred to me after reading Robert Bruce's article on what happens after death.  According to him, one stays in the RTZ until the supply of etheric energy in the body runs out, correct?  Well, what if they wanted to stick around longer for whatever reason, and had something to supply them with the energy necessary to do so long enough to accomplish whatever they need to?

Enter the idea of the Astral Bank.  Would it be possible to create a thought form (I just like the idea of a bank, and think it fits) into which people could send the necessary energy to be saved for this purpose?  It seems like one could literally create a "retirement fund" for themselves, and there could also be a collective "account" that living people could donate their energy into, and dead people (who knew it was there) could take that energy as needed, to gain enough time to fully adjust, say their goodbyes, or whatever else they felt like doing.  For that matter, to take the idea even further, it could even be a means for the living and dead to cooperate in that they could stick around long enough to help prove the afterlife to the rest of us.

So yeah, I've never actually APed myself; this is just a result of me playing with the ideas I've come across in my reading.  I don't know, I just think it'd be a cool thing to do for those who have passed on (as well as those of us who inevitably will), if it's possible.  To those with more personal experience -- is something like this conceivable?  Advisable?  Anyone care to elaborate on how it could be done and what it would take to accomplish?

Yeah, this is what happens when I'm bored and sleep deprived.  Heh.