Card Trick Validation?

[Zarklon]

Hey , I've proven 2 experiences for myself..  I havent gotten any of my card experiences to work  I notice a lot of reality fluctuations even with my most concious OBEs.  My rooms always looks like it used to look before it got remodelled when I go OBE.

One night I wanted to go OBE and walk through a solid object to see what it felt like.. I managed to make a very aware exit and walked through my bedroom wall.  I saw my dad in a very awkward position.. his feet hanging off the bed as he watched TV.. I immediately thought it was a reality fluctuation and decided to end the experience before I slipped into a dream.. The next day, I told him about the experience and he replied "Wow! I never sit like that , how did you see me there with the door closed?"  .. Thats all I needed as proof.

There was another time just as good as that one but I'm on my way out to smoke a cig with a friend so I'm not in the mood to type it right now =/ ..  These experiences can be proven and until you prove it to yourself first.. you can read a million books and a million other posts that people typed about how they proved it to themselves.. I think everyone owes it to themselves to have an experience like I did.. something concrete to let you know that this stuff isnt a dream!  Peace and good luck!

[Magamba]

Exactly - since I am new, it would really help to get some proof for myself so I am going to keep trying the card trick. I had my husband put one somewhere for me out of reach so that I have to float up to see it. By the way, how did you manage to go through the wall? I can never seem to do it even though I know it is possible.

[Zarklon]

"how did you manage to go through the wall? I can never seem to do it even though I know it is possible."


Well , I think I had to combine movement with my astral body with some kind of mental action as well.. If you can picture this , then you'll know where im coming from..  If you are OBE and place your hand on the wall then try to feel it turn into a mist that can penetrate anything until at least your hand is sticking into the wall then thats about it.. I didnt exactly do a "mist" thing but I tried to make my body feel like it could just slide into and out of the other side of the wall.  Wasnt really hard at all , I think I even just ran at the wall determined not to stop lol while keeping in mind the fact that I should be able to pass through it.  Maybe passing your hand through some astral objects first would be easier than going through a wall but as of yet , I havent tried it but once and was successful.  

As for the card experiment.. I've tried it many times .. I've gotten out of body at least 3 or 4 times and looked at a card I placed in my room and a few others throughout the house.  I got them wrong everytime except maybe once.. You dont always see things as they should be when you are OBE .. maybe you have to tune into the physical plane more when you achieve the OBE state but for me , I see more doors on buildings , different furniture in my room , and all kinds of other "reality fluctuations".  They can be really frustrating.. when I passed through the wall and saw my dad laying on the bed like that one night , I thought that it was a reality fluctuation and I ended the experience purposely.... Turns out that , he really WAS laying like that so I hope you can grasp just how tricky the astral really is.. Even my most concious projections have reality fluctuations and even though I might notice some things about my room are different , there are often many other things wrong that I should have noticed as well..

One time I projected and noticed a few things placed wrongly in my room .. I acknowledged that while OBE and said to myself .. Ahah!! Fluctuations!!  And ignored them .. when I got back in .. I realized that my entire room had carpet floors and wooden walls ... the way it looked before I got it tiled and the walls replaced.. I Should have noticed that while OBE .. even though I was not concious enough to notice THAT , I was concious enough to decide out of 3 choices , what I wanted to do while I was finally OBE.  1) talk to my guides , 2)visit my girlfriend  3)Fly!!    I decided on number 2 but quickly changed my mind because I wanted to do something important.. I was about to do number 1 but some kind of astral eye booger was bothering my vision and upon rubbing my eyes for the 3rd time that OBE , I ended up opening my physical ones and ending the whole thing...  

Some advice.. ignore the eye boogers , acknowledge reality fluctuations (they can really let you become more aware) , and pay attention to what your mind/body is going through at the point of paralysis or vibrations.  Duplicating that process is what you should master , I think.

[Magamba]

Hi all,
I am a newbie and this is my first post. I had a bizarre experience last night that may have been an OBE but since I have never had one, I thought I could get some feedback. FYI, I have had lucid dreams all my life but have only started practicing meditation / energy techniques for about 1 month. My lucid dreams have increased to about  3-4X per week and this last week I think I may have OBEd into my bedroom twice but since certain things look different and I was not fully conscience at the exit, I thought it could be a lucid dream.

Last night  after projecting into my room I decided to try to do something to validate whether or not I was in the RTZ so I looked around and found a deck of cards on my desk. I  consciously  memorized the bottom card of the deck  to be a 2 of spades and then randomly chose another card out of the deck by placing them on the floor and spreading them out a bit. I  chose a 3 of spades and proceeded to place this card on the desk. Then I noticed there were already 2 other cards on either side of the desk that were both fives. (I did not take notice of the suits.) I did not understand why they were there because I did not put them there so I just ignored them figuring weird things happen in dreams. I left the 3 of spades on the desk inbetween the fives and put the rest of the cards back in the box and put them away. I then thought I would try to go through a window and walk around outside but I could not got through it. After several frustrating attempts, I decided to use the door but my dog nudged my physical body so I woke up.

I immediately got up and went to the deck of cards to check them. The 2 of spades was not the bottom card but the second card from the bottom. (I thought I may have slightly mixed them up when I spread them out on the floor before putting them back in the box.) I then proceeded to look for the 3 of spades and there it was, in the middle of the deck wedged between 2 five cards! Coincidence? Has anyone else tried any experiments for validation?