Need clarification on waking paralysis, needed?

[Michael_E]

quote:Originally posted by Tolvor

Reading through a lot of the recent posts, especially posts that deal with *when* you should start trying to exit, something that always gets mentioned is having waking paralysis.  The question is that RB states quite clearly (p87)
"Most paralysis edisodes, in my opinion, happen *after* the projection exit has occurred.  Full waking paralysis cannot occur before the projection exit." (RB-AD)

and p90
"I have experienced waking-paralysis episodes literally hundreds of times, but have never managed to convert one into an OBE." (RB-AD)

This is the only book I own (so far), so I'm unable to cross reference for other experts opinions on this.  Nor have I had any AP/OBE myself so I can't work off of experience.  Is sleep paralysis something to be worked towards or avoided?  Or is the effect secondary to the mental (astral/etheric) disassociation (if that is the case, how would anyone notice paralysis, as it's directly counter to disassociation)?  Or is it a personal thing, and for RB it simply doesn't work, but for others it could?

Thanks

You can project from the paralysis state, but i belive there are some conditions to projecting from it. if your having a full-blown sleep paralysis episode you are literally awake but cant move because the brain hasnt turned on the motor synapses yet. But you can also be having a more lucid sleep paralysis episode  which you can project from. with the lucid sleep paralysis episode you are not completely awake but still awake enough to try to move in which you may find you cant and then upon further attempts to move you may stimulate tha rtz body enough to project or choose to do some other method.

i believe albert taylor who wrote soul traveler mentions his ability to project from the paralysis state.

[kiauma]

Something to mention is that sleep paralysis is a natural condition which I presume allows you to dream without the body actually moving and doing what you dream you are doing.

Interestingly, I presume that upon entering trance one is actually putting the body to sleep but keeping the mind conscious.  The thing is that at the beginning of an OBE one is intentionally not trying to move, so supposedly wouldn't notice if one has sleep paralysis or not.  It is only in the normal sequence after the OBE that one would try to move, and find if he is in sleep paralysis or not.

I was never able to AP from sleep paralysis, but I usually tended to panic in those situations, which of course locks you in.  Theoretically, if one could simply relax with it, going deeper into trance, one would have no problem projecting.

[Tolvor]

Reading through a lot of the recent posts, especially posts that deal with *when* you should start trying to exit, something that always gets mentioned is having waking paralysis.  The question is that RB states quite clearly (p87)
"Most paralysis edisodes, in my opinion, happen *after* the projection exit has occurred.  Full waking paralysis cannot occur before the projection exit." (RB-AD)

and p90
"I have experienced waking-paralysis episodes literally hundreds of times, but have never managed to convert one into an OBE." (RB-AD)


This is the only book I own (so far), so I'm unable to cross reference for other experts opinions on this.  Nor have I had any AP/OBE myself so I can't work off of experience.  Is sleep paralysis something to be worked towards or avoided?  Or is the effect secondary to the mental (astral/etheric) disassociation (if that is the case, how would anyone notice paralysis, as it's directly counter to disassociation)?  Or is it a personal thing, and for RB it simply doesn't work, but for others it could?

Thanks