Greetings zugzug,
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Astral Magic: What's everyone's opinion/advice about this?
While the creation or influence over objects/places/entities etc in the physical world by apparent supernatural means is considered indeed magical, the application of same in the Astral is at least in my experience not so magical and more of a natural occurring phenomenon there. In my very limited experience thought and sufficient will power can not only influence your subjective reality in the Astral but it can actually create and destroy objects or entities. The term "Be careful what you wish for" takes on a whole other meaning there ;-)
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R. Bruce mentions that you can create lasting objects or places, or even entities with intelligence, when out of body. Like the sword, for instance.
It is my understanding that indeed it may be possible to create lasting objects or entities in the Astral but I have no experience in this. What I have created or destroyed there was only verifiable to me during the time of that experience and I have not been able to go back to double check if they are still there or not.
How something created in the Astral affects the physical plane I would say is a rare occurrence as it is my understanding that you need to be very experienced in the Astral before such attempts can result in physical manifestations. I speak here of manifestations excluding the affects on your being, for it has been my experience that every Astral Projection has deeply affected me, my view of the universe/life etc.
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Would a created entity help you out while you're not projecting too? And about how long would it take to make something like that solid and lasting?
The quick answer: Yes it may and how long it takes to do this is directly dependant on your experience. When it comes to "magic(k)", what may take a novice X hours to achieve, a more advanced magician could achieve in a fraction of the time. Here I speak of the creation of Astral entities from the Physical. The creation of Astral entities once in the Astral may occur a the speed of thought, but how realistic these creations are is something I discuss further in the post.
Here's a little more on the creation of entities...
(The following 3 paragraphs are but paraphrased excerpts from the book: "Initiation Into Hermetics" by Franz Bardon)
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The creation of entities is otherwise known as "evocation". This is a practice that need not necessarily take place in the Astral and is a possibility in the physical world - The details of such practices can be found in many occult literature, but be warned this is not subject matter for the neophyte.
A functional entity's motives are that which your will has impregnated in it during its creation. If you choose for it to help you in a specific way, then that shall be its purpose. I repeat myself: Be careful what you wish for!
Such entities are not necessarily "solid" as they exist primarily as Astral beings even though they can be sensed in the physical without a shell/body like ours. How long their astral bodies last is primarily up to the wish of their creator at the time of creation. The experienced magician will always create an entity with a specific purpose and assign it a time of death. The time of death assigned should be either upon immediate success of its purpose being fulfilled or simply a timeframe that defines its life span. I.E. if the purpose is not accomplished within such and such a time, then the entity's existence shall cease regardless. The untrained magician who creates entities without sufficient control over them will be responsible for all their actions and pay for this with his karma - hence the destruction of the entity after X period of time regardless of success. You can always create a new one with the same purpose.
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I understand the moment your concentration laxes, it goes away?
Concentration is a significant part of what differentiates between delusional Astral Projection experiences (pretty much a big part of all my experiences thus far) and the real thing. Just for the sake of completeness, as Robert has pointed out in his book, sufficient "energy" would be the other major requirement to achieving a very objective and accurate Astral experience. In fact, energy is the most basic requirement and concentration depends on it. Our ability to concentrate deteriorates in direct proportion to our low or depleting energy. This is true in the physical plane as well.
The verification of whether your projection is in part delusional or not can be achieved by you projecting back to the same time and location a second, third + times and verifying if what you are perceiving this time is still the same as the previous times. If it is not, then perhaps what you perceived the first time was likely influenced by your scattered brain (for lack of better wording). The same line of thought can be applied if you want to be sure that what you created in the Astral has remained after your experience has ended. "Simply" go back and see if it is still there.
It is hard enough to achieve a level of concentration in the physical plane such that you truly control that which your mind thinks and not the other way around (your mind thinking on its own with you having little control of this). When was the last time you were able to tell your mind "Stop all thoughts and stay quiet", and it actually obeyed you for any significant period of time?
In the Astral, your every thought has the potential to be directly translated into your will and immediate action or manifestation!
Your perceived reality with an untrained mind with countless thoughts per minute will result in a mere delusional experience. I am not by any means mocking these experiences though, for they can be beyond amazing and definitely still worth the "trip" for numerous reasons! It's just that they will likely lack in accuracy and your experience will borderline on that of a mere dream. By this, I mean that as most everyone knows, your completely uncontrolled mind during dreaming state is able to create the unimaginable. And just as you believe this temporary and apparent reality while in the dream, the same will occur to you in the Astral - The difference being you have some level of lucidity in the Astral experience and thus may accept what you perceive as actuality the first time around.
As for how concentration affects your creations in the Astral, I would say you are partially right. When you lose your concentration, or your mind thinks and wills new events in regards to your creations, this, then shall be their destiny. So yes, your creations may just go away or simply morph in accordance to your uncontrolled but still influencing thoughts.
Best regards,
antiloop
Edited by - antiloop on 10 March 2002 05:24:38
What's everyone's opinion/advice about this? R. Bruce mentions that you can create lasting objects or places, or even entities with intelligence, when out of body. Like the sword, for instance.
Does anyone have any experience with this? Has anyone used it, and how does it affect things in the physical? Would a created entity help you out while you're not projecting too? And about how long would it take to make something like that solid and lasting? I understand the moment your concentration laxes, it goes away?