Astral or dream??

[Sn0wBl!nd]

Have you ever been in your bed either about to wake up or in sleep in the morning sometime, and you need to go use the restroom or get a drink or do something important. Then you go get the drink or use the restroom, and realize you hadn't even gotten up out of bed afterwards. You feel as if you've gone to the restroom and done your business or got up and got your drink. It feels completely real, but then you realize your still in your bed. I've had this happen to me before alot, anyone else have that happen to them?  What is it?  Is it just a thought, a dream, or are you projecting trying to get whatever it is..

[jay dawg]

yeah ummm why do i feel like i need to explain to everyone on this dumb forum that its just dreaming not AP or OBE.  what you had was called an FA, false awakening. i had one last week where i was in my kitchen talking to family but then woke up for real.

[astralspinner]

why do i feel like i need to explain to everyone on this dumb forum that its just dreaming not AP or OBE

Because it's a forum for people who believe it's NOT dreaming, it's an AP or OBE. You're like an atheist going to a Christian forum and being surprised that you have to keep telling people there is no God.

Anyway, snowblind, it is indeed known as a false awakening. Only had a few myself, but they can be very convincing. Most recently I was mediating before heading back to work: I stopped meditating, picked up my stuff, headed out the door to go to work. . . and woke up and realised I hadn't even finished meditating yet.

[Michael_E]

Jaydawg,

Maybe you have to keep repeating yourself because your a complete moron who lacks the basic social skills to hold an adequate discussion. Other than that i would refrain from making any more posts, your meager attempts to sound like someone who is intelligent, thought  provoking and interesting amongst other things make continued discussion with you impossible.

[Eagle of Light]

yeah ummm why do i feel like i need to explain to everyone on this dumb forum that its just dreaming not AP or OBE.

yeah ummm why do i feel like I need to ask you why you've registered on this forum since it is so "dumb"? Do you find it pleasant to waste your time...?  

Keep some logic.
Or detail how you got the irrefutable evidence that AP is just a "dream" ? Please let us know.

If you don't provide us with this evidence, I suggest you should allow yourself to doubt. And more importantly, keep some respect to people exploring and sharing here.

Yours,
Eagle of Light

[-Alex-]

Jaydawg,

Maybe you have to keep repeating yourself because your a complete moron who lacks the basic social skills to hold an adequate discussion. Other than that i would refrain from making any more posts, your meager attempts to sound like someone who is intelligent, thought  provoking and interesting amongst other things make continued discussion with you impossible.

I quite agree Michael_E. (It rhymed, I couldn't resist!)

[jay dawg]

you guys should check out dreamviews.com to clear up a few missconceptions.  

[Telos]

you guys should check out dreamviews.com to clear up a few missconceptions.  :twisted:

Great site. It must've changed since the last time I was there because I don't remember it looking so good.

However, they have a section of their forum called "beyond dreaming,"  which includes OBE's and such. So I'm not sure where you're going with that suggestion.

[jay dawg]

you guys should check out dreamviews.com to clear up a few missconceptions.  

Great site. It must've changed since the last time I was there because I don't remember it looking so good.

However, they have a section of their forum called "beyond dreaming,"  which includes OBE's and such. So I'm not sure where you're going with that suggestion.

but the thing is most of the posts about OBE are pretty much proving the point that obe is not real that its just LDing. read up on a few if u wish  

[Michael_E]

you guys should check out dreamviews.com to clear up a few missconceptions.  

Great site. It must've changed since the last time I was there because I don't remember it looking so good.

However, they have a section of their forum called "beyond dreaming,"  which includes OBE's and such. So I'm not sure where you're going with that suggestion.

It is a great site. Most of the members arnt as rude as our jay dawg friend which is good to know. Jay dawg has taken a liking to mumbling one liners, Im not too sure where he is going with the clear up a few misconceptions comment either.

Another like forum that is excellent is stephen leberg's http://novadreamer.com/discus/

In order to post you have to participate in a research survey he is conducting. Some of the members are those who have participated in leberg's dreamlab experiments at Stanford. They are quite a seasoned and rational bunch.

If unfamiliar with leberg's work here is an article  which defines his types of lucid dreams. Subsequently the RTZ projection/astral type is included but called something else. http://www.lucidity.com/VOLDE.html

[Telos]

Michael_E, I never really liked LaBerge's insistence on continuously referring to Tibetan dream yoga and religious figures (Nasrudin was a Muslim cleric).

The first time I read LaBerge's "Exploring," when I was a teenager, was when my nightmares began. I understood how poorly humanity understood lucid dreaming, and this caused me great trepidation which I still suffer to this day. Life and humanity seemed hopeless. No joke. LaBerge is that disappointing to me.

The first post I read in that forum you linked to had this:

Using the most effective techniques and technology, derived from Western science and Tibetan dream yoga, Stephen LaBerge, Ph.D. and Alan Wallace, Ph.D. will co-present instructions on methods of developing the mental skills that foster lucidity and on directing consciousness within both dreaming and waking states towards fulfillment of personal goals.

Mark that with a big "G" for "Gag me." Just gag me with a stick. We do not need to treat the study of lucid dreaming as the unification of world-views, nor do we need to use it as a vehicle for the self-help movement.

LaBerge forwards a particular philosophy alongside his work, which is contemptible for a scientist (unless it's the philosophy of science). He insists that incorporating the religious traditions of others will help our understanding of lucid dreaming, ignoring the instances where it impedes. He insists that lucid dreaming can be best disseminated to the public through self-improvement, ignoring the instances where self-improvement does not help our understanding of it. Back in the early 1800s people used shock-therapy to heal every illness from a headache to a tumor, all before we ever came to a better understanding of electricity and biology. Our understanding of lucid dreaming is just as bungling.

LaBerge makes me want to puke.