question from me and all new bigginers

[beavis]

Write every detail of every dream you have. A few days ago I wrote 5 pages in 1 day. Start the OBE from your dream. I did it by accident that time, but I think it was caused by being more aware of my dreams.

[astralpwka]

I agree with beavis. It is very difficult for me to go from conciousness to AP, but from a lucid dream, its much easier. Write down all of your dreams, a search for clues in your journal that repeat a lot. Use these repeating factors as clues in future dreams to know you're dreaming.

For me, lucid dreaming and AP are often evasive, and tend to happen once I get frustrated and start to give up. Then it happens again, and I get excited once more.

[GANAMOHA]

lol sounds like going in circles thanx again so what your saying is that you dont just record our dreams you then look through all of them to see reslemblences so then we realize we are in a dream and it becomes lucid but a question id lke to ask having a lucid dream sounds easier to obe but how do you go to a obe from a lucid?

[GANAMOHA]

srry i forgot to say this

the reason as to why i dont understand why is for i thought once your in a lucid dream your stuck there untill you pull out of it and wake up so i just simply dont see how i or anyone even though i know people can do that can go from a L.D. to a OBE im really quite confused ?@_@?.
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[Rastus]

When I LD, I suddenly realize I'm "dreaming".  From that point I focus and power build a moment(this helps stabaize things for me, so I don't fall back into the dream, it lets me leave it), then I "project" somewhere.  Now I'm APing.  The downside is I'm doing this without real power built up at my physical body, so it tends to be short.  I know I'm APing because I can conciously exit.  Sometimes I exit, "wake" but don't move at all, not a hair.  Build a little power then AP again.  I personally have a hard time APing to the RTZ (the classic OOBE), but an easy time phasing into AP.  I'm working on the problem, and I feel it's me.  On a good weekend morning you can do this over and over until someone starts cutting their lawn []

[funinfloating111]

i hear obe's are definantly possible from the lucid dream state, i also heard much easier than a consious obe exit. i have never tried because when i enter a lucid dream, i just fly [] its so fun lol. next time i have one im gonna try to astral project but first i gotta have a lucid dream lol. most of the time when i do have a lucid dream it happens really quick. i usually dont remember what made my mind "wake up", but everything gets really clear and focused. i then sit a while and try to remember things about me to increase the clarity and i try simple math sometimes. then i fly till a wake up lol. what i did, and what you should do i think (im not at all an expert so feel free to tell me if im wrong) is work on getting into the trance state robert bruce talks about, where your "mind awake/body asleep". it feels really wierd at first and it scared me.
you should practice getting there by consentrating on your breath or heartbeat maybe. a lot of things will work. i imagine im sinking into my bed on the exhale, then staying level on the inhale. im sure theres many other ways you should try what works best for you. then i would get comfortable in that stage, im still getting fully used to the trance state myself. i have only once astral projected consiously and it was a long time ago. it happend so fast i think it was spontanious, ive never done it since. hopefully someone else will explain what happens next []

[GANAMOHA]

thank you all for responding to this cause i know that this has already helped a little for me so it might help others. *All begginers here* please ask question you would like to have answered here so that if someone here is willing to they will respond (mind you; you dont ask the same question thats already been asked) and id like to say if im not sounding to pushy that others who have not posted who suceesfully oobe or rtz (thanx ratus) please post your stories here so that you can share your experince and take notes on it at the same time (doesnt have to be on a peice of paper of course []). thank you and keep them comin i appreciate all responses.

[Rastus]

My best AP's are Saturday and Sunday morning.  I'll get up about 6-7 and let our dogs out for 10 minutes.  Use the bathroom and maybe get a small drink of water.  I've killed 15-20 minutes.  At this point my body is slipping back to sleep (I've typically had only 5-6 hours sleep at this point).

Back to bed, and into a meditative state.  It' usually pretty easy to try and AP at this point.  Even if I fail, I'm building power as I fall asleep.  I can usually get out at least once a morning doing this.  Once I'm out, it's easy, I go out and come back until I get disturbed (dogs or kids or lawnmowers, sigh).  Sometimes naps work as well.  This can also be done at 4 am if you can't sleep in, it's the subject of multiple threads.

[GANAMOHA]

is it normal when your tyin to have a obe and then after a while after the vibrations you get a plusing sensation in your whole body and it gets really hard to resist it and not move because its like an ache almost

[Rastus]

Not for me.  But everyone is different.  What you may be feeling are power surges.  Have you ever felt like your bones are conducting electricity?  Move your awareness around your body, you can suppress any ache your body throws at your mind in this state.  You should be able to really feel your mental hands in this state!  Move your awareness up through your Chakras opening them.  When you get to the crown, give it a moment (it takes more to open), then try moving your awareness out of your body, past your crown.

[GANAMOHA]

Cool thatsreally kool at how close i am to gettin there and yes it feels like im conducting electricity also like its surging through me but ive never tried to open my chakras and center my awareness i will fill you and others in if im suceesful in my attempts thank you again for filling me in ratus.[[]

once again id like to say and ask of all begginers who are willing to;to ask their questions so people can answer you. Fore not only is it helping you it's helping others with the same questions who wont ask.

[GANAMOHA]

well i got to the next step i was centering my awareness and my feet well first my toes then my feet and lost track of everything and got a sudden jolt and i couldnt feel anything quite comfortable except i can only hold it for a second or to then i loose it is this normal was i close to obeing?

[Adi]

within a few weeks of the Mysticweb AP course (www.mysticweb.org) I had an AP from a dream.  I gave up after this experience, but now I have the motivation again yay.  So I recommend this course.  I'm doing it again in 4 days.  It runs periodically.

[GANAMOHA]

i have to ask adi so i here i go which one is it[] i cant find a name of somesort would be appreciated

[GANAMOHA]

okay i just like to begin by saying that i know that all begginers here who are just learning are running hopelessly in circles and finding info and steps for having a obe or at least a lucid dream,and for those of you out there a obe is a outer body experience or out of body experience (oobe) so id just like to ask of you who have successfully completed this task if possible give some tips on what to do to start off or steps cause i know for others out there like me who are just as curious as me have gotton links but thay are (the links)always off on something or we are doing something wrong please tell us comon mistakes that we may make or (begginers me included) tell your storys so other might be able to help out or maybe the more than begginers can tell their storys on what you did and what happened on your first experience

     thank you for your time and i eagerly await some responses[]

oh and on another note please forgive me if i sound like im using the word us as a excuse to make you answer me (which im not[looks are around and whistles][])
signed hopeless monkey []