Astral Projection while Lucid Dreaming :: Anyone done this?

[stuartduke]

I am new to lucid dreaming but have some experience doing remote viewing and astral projection work. 

Does anyone have any resources to point me to where these two practices come together?  Has anyone ever reported a Lucid Dreaming state that was stable enough to have a OOBE or do an RV session?

Many thanks.

Stuart

[Bluefirephoenix]

The astral awareness is a contineum not a set state. The place you are on the continuem depends on where your focus is. The labels are kind of irrelevent. THere is no difference between an astral projection and a lucid dream. non lucid dreams can also be astral projections. I think there are two things that create any specific state. Spiritual focus and mental focus. The interplay of these two things is what gives the appearance of a particular state which is then given a label. The thing is, it's different for everyone. So the labels are pretty generic.

[Xanth]

Agreed with Bluefire, and in fact (personally speaking), I take it one step further.

Dreams are projection.  They're projections you just don't know you're projecting.

AND... this physical reality experience is a projection.  You're projecting your consciousness into this physical reality in the *EXACT* way you project any other way.

[Kzaal]

And as Dr Wayne Dyer would say: You are a Spirit having a human experience.

[Xanth]

And as Dr Wayne Dyer would say: You are a Spirit having a human experience.

I'm always amazed at the number of people who use that line... yet either have no idea what they're talking about or don't apply this knowledge to their own lives (not saying that's you, btw hehe). 

[Kzaal]

I'm always amazed at the number of people who use that line... yet either have no idea what they're talking about or don't apply this knowledge to their own lives (not saying that's you, btw hehe). 

Yeah sadly...

[stuartduke]

Thanks to everyone who replied!! 

I understand the concept of "continuum" of the phenomenon of consciousness and agree that its all an experience of a point of view.

I also take it from the relies that no one has actually tried this. 

Am I correct in that assessment?

Pax

[Xanth]

I also take it from the relies that no one has actually tried this.

Tried what?  Astral Projecting while Lucid Dreaming?

That's what we're saying (or at least what *I* am saying)... such a thing doesn't exist.

That's the entire point of my article I linked in this post:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/labeling_experiences_of_the_nonphysical-t43264.0.html

[FireFly9]

I do understand what you are asking stuartduke, but from my understanding, although it's all APing, it can be difficult to move from a lucid dream to an astral plane experience for instance. It takes a good deal of skill but it is doable.  Kurt Leland does use it extensively, ...that is... moving from dream lucidity to full dream awareness/control.  He doesn't have any interest in getting to the RTZ, but instead moves (focuses) his consciousness into a non physical reality.  He is really good at becoming lucid within a dream in the first place, and then is able to take it further to say meeting up with guides, and moving to the Astral proper, or higher, to explore the mental plane etc.  HE feels it's in fact easier to have an adventure in consciousness this way rather than trying to project from the physically-awake state using some technique.  Others disagree saying that it can be harder to remember an experience when it's done this way because of the 'lucid' dream-like state compared to experiencing via full consciousness that never went to 'sleep'. Kurt writes out his experiences and interprets the metaphors that the lucid experience employed, and I'd say he's second to none regarding honing this skill. 

You can check out his logs on his site.  kurtleland.com

[EpicAstral]

I'm always amazed at the number of people who use that line... yet either have no idea what they're talking about or don't apply this knowledge to their own lives (not saying that's you, btw hehe). 

Never used the line but here is a guess: You are an soul who is temporally in an human body and experiences things.....lol

[Xanth]

Never used the line but here is a guess: You are an soul who is temporally in an human body and experiences things.....lol

I'd adjust that line slightly...
You are not a "soul in a human body".
You are simply consciousness... through and through. 

The most concise way to explain what you are is this:  You are.

[EscapeVelocity]

stuartduke-

What everyone is telling you is correct and suggesting that you need to re-define and broaden your idea of what astral projection is. RV, AP, RTZ, LD and D are all contained within the continuum that BFP described and that I personally just refer to as Non-Physical Reality. That encompasses much of my personal experience and even so, I remain open to broadening and altering my understanding of it as my experiences and knowledge improve; and I know it will! 

It is what Leland refers to as a 'provisional belief'. I carry a bunch of those in my pockets!

And to answer your question, yes you can move from a Lucid Dream into an Astral Projection; and in more than one way. You can dissolve the Dream with the Intent of appearing where you want to be, or you can look for a suitable portal and enter it, again expressing the proper Intent. What often happens for me is to let the dream fade and I find myself in the Void; then I can go from there (a bit more stable that way).

The question then follows- Are all areas of the Astral open to us? And the answer to that may be a provisional "No."

At least according to two of the most experienced, published explorers Monroe and Leland...and it's been my experience.

You are somewhat restricted in your travels until certain rules are understood and certain skills are developed and demonstrated. Emotional control is a big one, critical thinking skills are another. There are lessons to be learned, starting with your earliest experiences (I wish somebody could have emphasized the importance of that to me several decades ago! Lol)

That may be a general rule, so of course, there are likely to be exceptions. Everybody is different and unique in their abilities and certain conditions may exist where you are allowed a brief visit somewhere.

So finally, try some different things, go for it! Just don't forget that the Lucid Dream you are trying to step 'out' of...it's there for a reason.