fear test or???

[MarsZM]

Last night I woke up from a dream (wasn't a bad one... that i remember) and like 4 seconds later I saw something in the "blackness in front of" start to form. It was a women and it was more clear than I usually get... usually I get things I can't even make out what they are...

but this women looked really nasty. she had black all around her eyes like she never has slept a day in her life and she looked very trashy and gross to be honest. she had a weird smirk on her face. I went with it and noticed that image went away. didn't scare a bit but what i saw i felt really gross energy. the next image started to form and i caught myself thinking it was gonna be the same kinda thing and it was a monstrous face and again didn't scare me... but i finally rolled over and decided to go to bed again because if that's what source is gonna give me after weeks of asking it to make contact with me and establish an awesome relationship then i was getting bored and wanted to go to bed.

I think on the second image i probably created it because i assumed it was going to be the same as the first. but the first image? after weeks of trying to make contact? A little disappointing. :/ I guess I didn't react out of fear that's good. I still get nothing when I meditate throughout the day. The only time I am really able to do that stuff is right after waking up because I would be in the theta state. But honestly I have gotten better at meditation and I completely can trance out within a matter of 5 mins. so i have no idea why I don't get anything but maybe i'll try asking different things? Right now I am asking for source and my higher self to give me an interface to talk to and ask questions I am comfortable with. I get nothing so far but I will keep trying.

As for this nasty women (and i say that because she looked negative in nature... and had a nasty smirk and didn't appreciate her showing up. I learned nothing but I hope that was just the first fear test and source will start taking me more seriously because this is something i really want. I wish i could see my grandpa who passed away or something cool instead of this or a really "fun" being etc. I have had countless OBES so this is so frustrating

[EscapeVelocity]

Mars-

It appears to me that you have either learned a lot from this or at least displayed your accurate knowledge of what was happening. Those frightful women do appear to be "fear tests". So you recognized them for what they are. And your level of awareness was demonstrably high real-time, while the experience was happening. You didn't fall for the frightful visuals and you also noticed the "gross energy" and didn't get distracted by that. And you realized it was all likely dredged up from your own subconscious. This is testing on several levels.

You did great in this experience and I think you will soon be granted something new and a bit more challenging. This is a sign that what you are doing is working.

Stay patient and respectful and keep asking your questions and offering your assistance to the greater purpose. The frustration is another test, and a tough one, so bear with it.

[MarsZM]

Mars-

It appears to me that you have either learned a lot from this or at least displayed your accurate knowledge of what was happening. Those frightful women do appear to be "fear tests". So you recognized them for what they are. And your level of awareness was demonstrably high real-time, while the experience was happening. You didn't fall for the frightful visuals and you also noticed the "gross energy" and didn't get distracted by that. And you realized it was all likely dredged up from your own subconscious. This is testing on several levels.

You did great in this experience and I think you will soon be granted something new and a bit more challenging. This is a sign that what you are doing is working.

Stay patient and respectful and keep asking your questions and offering your assistance to the greater purpose. The frustration is another test, and a tough one, so bear with it.

thanks so much escape. This gives me hope because it is really frustrating sometimes especially with all the awesome experiences I have had in the past. I felt like i have backtracked a bit... more like a lot. used to i would lay down and i could remote view within 15 mins. now im lucky if i even get an image most the time i just look into the blackness and get nothing. i think i fell for a lot of belief traps... maybe i can look at it like this.... before i was worried maybe i wouldn't be able to do this stuff anymore... but the fact i saw that image so clear even though it was really nasty.... means i do have the ability still. putting a positive spin on it. I always have. i got stuck watching youtube videos that were disempowering and more like conspiracy type stuff... i watched these for years. i found them interesting... but after a while i feel like i believed all of it. and i come to realize its just story after story after story. i gotta get my own answers and not follow other people.

[Lumaza]

 Mars, you are underestimating all the "help" that you have already and are still receiving yet today. Just look at how much you have progressed in the years. You now can become Lucid in your Dreams. You can discern a "fear test" while still being active in the scenario that created it. You can "trance out" in 5 minutes. All of this shows tremendous control and progress. Yet, you underestimate it and still cry out for more. 

I have found that you can't "rush" things in regards to NP teachings. You are shown or taught what you need to know or see when you are ready for it.

The one thing you need to do though when you see one of these beings is to open up some dialogue with them. Ask them what their purpose for being there is. You joked in the other thread about giving out "peanut butter chocolate chip cookies" in the Astral. Well it seems you missed your opportunity twice that night! 

[MarsZM]

Mars, you are underestimating all the "help" that you have already and are still receiving yet today. Just look at how much you have progressed in the years. You now can become Lucid in your Dreams. You can discern a "fear test" while still being active in the scenario that created it. You can "trance out" in 5 minutes. All of this shows tremendous control and progress. Yet, you underestimate it and still cry out for more. 

I have found that you can't "rush" things in regards to NP teachings. You are shown or taught what you need to know or see when you are ready for it.

The one thing you need to do though when you see one of these beings is to open up some dialogue with them. Ask them what their purpose for being there is. You joked in the other thread about giving out "peanut butter chocolate chip cookies" in the Astral. Well it seems you missed your opportunity twice that night! 

It came so fast! She appeared and the image was "still" she had no movement etc.... and it just kept sliding to the left it probably lasted 4 seconds... didn't have time to think of my cookies! lol. It was more vivid than usual though 1-10 being 10 being "real" it was probably a 7 and a half

[Lumaza]

It came so fast! She appeared and the image was "still" she had no movement etc.... and it just kept sliding to the left it probably lasted 4 seconds... didn't have time to think of my cookies! lol. It was more vivid than usual though 1-10 being 10 being "real" it was probably a 7 and a half

I thought the "4 seconds" that you mentioned above was how long it took until she showed up period, as shown in this quote by you here " Last night I woke up from a dream (wasn't a bad one... that i remember) and like 4 seconds later I saw something in the "blackness in front of" start to form."
I didn't realize it was a short duration experience. That's about how much time a "sneak peek" takes! 

[MarsZM]

I thought the "4 seconds" that you mentioned above was how long it took until she showed up period, as shown in this quote by you here " Last night I woke up from a dream (wasn't a bad one... that i remember) and like 4 seconds later I saw something in the "blackness in front of" start to form."
I didn't realize it was a short duration experience. That's about how much time a "sneak peek" takes! 

haha It was 4 seconds after my dream she popped up and then probably a 4 second experience. very fast! it was like that hypnogogic imagery stuff. I definitely was in the perfect theta state!

[Nameless]

Ah, now I see. I love when they show themselves like that Mars. Totally agree with Lumaza, offer the cookie or just say Hi. It can take a bit of effort on their part to show themselves so be appreciative. And remember the image you see is probably more colored by your thoughts than what they actually look like.

[Lumaza]

And remember the image you see is probably more colored by your thoughts than what they actually look like.

I found that fundamental very hard to overcome. Example, a red image, kind of blob would appear before me, very faint to start with, My mind would then create some kind of automatic mental association with that image. Example red blob/apple. At times you could liken it to a "ink blob test".
It took a long time before I could just sit back "passively observe" and "allow" it to morph into what it wanted to, not what I was "guiding" it to. To do that you need to learn to put the "analytical' side of your brain on "standby"!  

[Nameless]

Exactly and sometimes I find that easy as pie while other times it's near impossible as my brain will just keep insisting on filling in the blanks. But don't you love it when you get that dual impression Lumaza where you see what's there (near as is possible) AND that image your brain is set on.

[Lumaza]

Exactly and sometimes I find that easy as pie while other times it's near impossible as my brain will just keep insisting on filling in the blanks. But don't you love it when you get that dual impression Lumaza where you see what's there (near as is possible) AND that image your brain is set on.

I have learned to hold onto a dual reality focus. It was very hard to do and I can only do it for a short time, then one or the other will take over completely.

[EscapeVelocity]

For me, you two are describing slightly different things, but maybe they are just two sides of the same coin.

There is the image/idea colored by your thoughts versus the referent image/idea, and the simultaneous recognition of the distinction between the two. This is, to me, an expansion of the Mental energy body's perspective. Stretching, if you will...

Then there is the Dual or Multiple Perspective of two or more energy bodies; again I think an ability of the Mental body or even higher. I've only had it for a few seconds at most, but am now certain it will become an expanded sense as we develop. To bounce from the Etheric back to the Physical, then to the Astral...and then to get an instantaneous yet complete momentary perspective of all three...and then to realize that that perspective is served up from an altogether new perspective (Mental or higher?)...it's just a bit mind-blowing, but I am sure some of you have experienced this.

A further stretch is what I think Lumaza has had and that is literally experiencing Dual Realities and the seperate life courses of each; even if momentarily. I haven't had that experience...yet. But thanks to him, I can now believe in the possibility. 

EV

[Nameless]

Yes Ev, how to explain, from my perspective anyway. I'm capable of actually seeing a dual reality while fully conscious (awake). That is seeing what you would see if you were beside me and seeing (I guess I would say) what isn't there. Now you might see it too but most people wont. That's one dual perspective.

Then there is that one when you are out of body or inner body(depending how you perceive it) where you see dual or multiple perspectives of the same thing or completely different things (environments). It does get pretty mind blowing, especially when you try to talk about it, lol.

Sometimes these experiences can leave you really really boggled. Ev you are whiz at this, you just haven't seen it yourself yet. No kidding.

[Lumaza]

Yes Ev, how to explain, from my perspective anyway. I'm capable of actually seeing a dual reality while fully conscious (awake). That is seeing what you would see if you were beside me and seeing (I guess I would say) what isn't there. Now you might see it too but most people wont. That's one dual perspective.

Then there is that one when you are out of body or inner body(depending how you perceive it) where you see dual or multiple perspectives of the same thing or completely different things (environments). It does get pretty mind blowing, especially when you try to talk about it, lol.

Sometimes these experiences can leave you really really boggled. Ev you are whiz at this, you just haven't seen it yourself yet. No kidding.

Sometimes during my Phase soak sessions I will have my bathroom fan on. While enjoying a good NPR experience I will still hear that fan. Just yesterday while in a real unique experience I was walking in some RTZ, yet my physical feet were the ones feeling the sensation of my feet hitting the ground. It was really weird. My feet were almost burning. They felt hot, even though they weren't in the water. I am about 6'2, so when I lie in the bathtub, my feet are high against the wall, never in the water.