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[AstralBrandon]

I tried to use the B-Beats to try to AP 3 times that kind of works but weird thing is i did the opposite of what people told me to do to get closer...i didn't pay attention to what i was doing and then i felt like my body was numb and i could barely feel it and like i had 2 bodies the top and the bottoms of the bodies were 1 thing but i couldn't do anything else, i tried 2 more times once doing the rope pulling trick and then the butter melting trick but nothing...I'm confused anyone that can offer me help would be appreciated

[newmethod]

Sound like you reached sleep paralysis stage and had some degree of separation but not full separation.
Were you able to see the room with your astral eyes?

I'm reaching a similar stage as you by the sounds of it. The trick from my understanding but limited experience is to be able to identify which is your astral and which is your physical body. If you can discern which is which i think you should be able to move your astral body if you can identify more strongly with it. It will feel much lighter than your physical body (i have felt this).

Next time I reach this stage I simply plan to imagine my astral already out & walking around the room. Then strongly associate myself with my astral body who is already "out". Hopefully this will bypass the need for an exit technique. The reason i want to try this is because with my astral/dream body is so close to my physical body it is hard for me not to feel back into my physical body. I think that's why the exit technique is difficult for me.

Anyone with more experience have some more ideas?

[dbmathis]

My suggestion is that you continue to try this same technique for 2 weeks to a month and see what happens. You can certainly expect this to happen over night but don't be disappointed if it doesn't because these things take time and practice, sometimes years of practice.

I started on my AP journey 4 months ago and I have had a dozen or so consciously induced OBEs however the funny part is that I can have an OBE one night with a specific technique and then the very next night try the same thing and have no OBE.

I think that maybe you did have an OBE but you just don't remember it because the physical side of your conscious was stronger than the astral side of you consciousness and the memories of you experience simply didn't get written to your physical brain. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what's happening to  me as well.

Please continue to post you progress here, I am interested in your results.

Best Regards

David

[AstralBrandon]

Sound like you reached sleep paralysis stage and had some degree of separation but not full separation.
Were you able to see the room with your astral eyes?

I'm reaching a similar stage as you by the sounds of it. The trick from my understanding but limited experience is to be able to identify which is your astral and which is your physical body. If you can discern which is which i think you should be able to move your astral body if you can identify more strongly with it. It will feel much lighter than your physical body (i have felt this).

Next time I reach this stage I simply plan to imagine my astral already out & walking around the room. Then strongly associate myself with my astral body who is already "out". Hopefully this will bypass the need for an exit technique. The reason i want to try this is because with my astral/dream body is so close to my physical body it is hard for me not to feel back into my physical body. I think that's why the exit technique is difficult for me.

Anyone with more experience have some more ideas?

I could see for a split second, before opening my eye, my room but i heard a buzzing sound, like a flying buzzing by your ears and it woke me up. I researched the sound and i believe it was the sound that means your close to an AP. I can tell which is my Astral and which is my Physical body i just have no idea why i can move on pass that level. I'll try your method it sounds good...

My suggestion is that you continue to try this same technique for 2 weeks to a month and see what happens. You can certainly expect this to happen over night but don't be disappointed if it doesn't because these things take time and practice, sometimes years of practice.

I started on my AP journey 4 months ago and I have had a dozen or so consciously induced OBEs however the funny part is that I can have an OBE one night with a specific technique and then the very next night try the same thing and have no OBE.

I think that maybe you did have an OBE but you just don't remember it because the physical side of your conscious was stronger than the astral side of you consciousness and the memories of you experience simply didn't get written to your physical brain. I have a sneaking suspicion that this is what's happening to  me as well.

Please continue to post you progress here, I am interested in your results.

Best Regards

David

These 3 Successful tries have been over a span of time not in 3 nights lol i should have made that more clear. I didn't feel a jump of my astral coming back so i don't think that's the case, idk if you can forget the jump of coming back...

[dbmathis]

That's what i'm saying, I think you can forget coming back. Because up until the point that you are back your astral mind is completely separate from the physical mind and if you fail to download the info then it basically never happened.

[AstralBrandon]

Yeah but im not Astral Projecting when your body jumps up from your AB coming back into your PB....

[dbmathis]

There are more than just your PB and AB at play here. When you project you have you PB, your subtle body (chakra center), your real time body (body that exists in the plane closest to physical) and then your astral body (next plane up). Then you may have even more bodies above the astral body. It could very well be that you were out exploring in your real time body or you astral body and that you were also awake in your subtle body. When your astral body or real time body returned you failed to remember any of the events that took place in your OBE because you failed to download them your real time or astral memories. Don't make the mistake of thinking that you only have a PB and AB only.

Do you look at the clock when you project. If there is missing time then that would be a strong indicator.

Just a theory, don't take this as the gospel..

[ancient_one]

I started on my AP journey 4 months ago and I have had a dozen or so consciously induced OBEs however the funny part is that I can have an OBE one night with a specific technique and then the very next night try the same thing and have no OBE.

This is true for me also. If I try to have an OOBE, sometimes a certain thing I try works. The next time, nothing happens. I always figured that meant that no matter what technique I tried, the only way I would have an OOBE is if it was going to happen on its own.  If I try and it happens, I have success. If I try and it does not happen, it is not a failure- it is just not meant to happen at that point.  Sometimes I do not even try, and it happens anyway.

[newmethod]

It could very well be that you were out exploring in your real time body or you astral body and that you were also awake in your subtle body. When your astral body or real time body returned you failed to remember any of the events that took place in your OBE because you failed to download them your real time or astral memories.

Or even failed to remember the exit... I have felt on occasions when trying to project that i'm just about to "step out" that i'm then left in my physical body and can watch an image of a body that i think is another part of me "walk out" of my physical body and for a few moments it may move around close to me... i can watch it... it's not like I'm imagining the "being" ... This being is controlled independantly of my imagination....

I've wondered whether it's the projected me and my consciousness missed tagging along with it...

[dbmathis]

newmethod, exactly!

I have been reading about this and it seems that when we project both the physical consciousness and any other consciousness has totally independent train of thought upon going "OB". It's not that the other consciousness has left us behind and is not letting us have the experience. We are very much all of the consciousnesses at the same time. The problem "Robert Bruce" says is that the physical side is stronger either emotionally or for some other reason and the stronger more closer to the physical brain consciousness seems to get first dibs of physical brain memory. This means that the astral experience gets pushed out of the way and down into the subconscious most of the time to make room for the physical experience.

I need to read on in Astral Dynamics because because am sure he will share some tricks for working around this mind-split memory problem.

Thanks for sharing newmethod, that kinda of cool.