Beginners Questions

[Astraldude]

Well I'm 16 and new to astral Projection,Only tried about 3 times due to fear of the unknown.But i gained increasingly good results with my last try providing me with the vibrational state.Anyway last night i read a book by an author called Flake and he writes about his experiences and things like that.At one part he goes on about lucidity and how it can be easily lost and also about how some people think of the astral as just an hallucination.

So 3 questions for u to answer for me:

How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for?
How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for?
What do you think hallucination or a real place?

Personally i think it is a real place but just wondering what you guys think.

Please answer by copying and pasting the above questions and write your answers next to the question

Thanks For Reading guys your answers will be much appreciated

[blade5x]

1. How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for? Can't answer that exactly, I'm not expert, probably atleast an hour
2.How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for? A few minutes if you're lucky
3.What do you think hallucination or a real place? A real place

My EPs have not felt like Lucid Dreams. I've had 2 Ethereal Projections, and 1 Astral (I'm actually questioning weather or not this one was real or not, as it transitioned from a dream and still felt dream-like while projecting).

But it only took my first EP to convince they were real. Even though I was really disabled in it (had blurred vision beyond 3 feet, I could barely move, I had laggy vision at first - kind of like laggy fps in a video game, and my body felt like it was really high, like high on weed or something, though I hadn't smoked it for over a month, and I've only smoked it twice in my life).

Then I may have had an AP, I was in my room, it felt dream-like, the only thing that stood out is after saying "clarity now, I need it to be clearer" it was finally very clear. But it just felt like a really clear dream. Nothing really stood out.

Then I had a very nice EP again a few days later. This one started out the same. I didn't feel high this time, I just kind of felt there. Then some new things happened. When I went through my window to go outside, I could almost feel the window moving through me - hard to explain. Then as soon as I got outside, I was really cold (and it actually was chilly that morning). I don't think I've ever felt cold in any dream ever. I've maybe felt warmth, but not exactly temperature warmth. This was like going outside bare naked in 45F temperature. I could also feel the air as I was floating around. I had almost complete control over my flying (Something that's always plagued me in Lucid Dreams), and the surroundings were very clear, without me asking for them, but I was really into the whole experience

So that's what I've had so far.

[kiwibonga]

How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for?

Forever... There is no such thing as time and space in the higher dimensions, so with enough control, I believe you could spend what feels like centuries out of body, and come back to find out that only a few minutes passed by since you went to bed!

How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for?

From my own experience and what I've read, the first few experiences are limited to a few minutes at most... Depending on where you are dimensionally speaking, it may feel like hours went by when in fact only 3 minutes elapsed in the physical plane... Also, since a longer projection means more memory to store, if you don't have excellent control over your memory, you will not be able to bring back the totality of your "adventure" with you, meaning you could have a 5 hour experience and bring back only 20 seconds of it (or even none).

What do you think hallucination or a real place?

Are hallucinations fake places? I wouldn't say that the astral is a place, really, it's more like another dimension... As for hallucinations... Where do they come from? Just like an astral projection is actually a different way to perceive reality, hallucinations are often not just "brain garbage." If you accept the fact that there are different dimensions that the physical body can't perceive biologically, everything is real, including hallucinations!

[Astraldude]

Thanks guys Have any of u had an AP that you thought was real and physical.And also have any of you ever spoken to lost loved ones

[David Warner]

Astraldude,


How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for?
- I've been able to stay out up to 30 to 40 minutes. I still don't consider
myself an expert. Just a real hard worker and driven to the cause.

How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for?
- My first obe was about 30 seconds, the second obe lasted about 5
  minutes. After that, it was trial and error of keeping alert and conscious

What do you think hallucination or a real place?
- Definitely not in Kansas anymore! - Its a real place and yes, I've been
  able to validate this. In fact, this last year I've had over 15 validations.

Have any of u had an AP that you thought was real and physical.
- Yes, sometimes its real difficult to distinguish between the RTZ and
Physical. Until something odd happens, like fog drifting through the wall.

And also have any of you ever spoken to lost loved ones.
- Funny you should mention this. Yes, just yesterday morning which
also followed with validations. I'll post this experience in the Astral Experience section for AP friends to review.

You can also visit my web site at: www.invisiblelight.us for the last
19yrs of journals, audio, video, stats on my tracking with the obe
scientific and spiritual.

Enjoy,

Tvos

[knightlight]

How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for?

I would agree with kiwi, forever

How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for?

My shortest projections where about 5 or 10 seconds and my longest during my first stages was about 2 minutes

What do you think hallucination or a real place?

hehe... uhm... I could try to ramble on about this but I will just tinkle myself off and confuse everyone because I tend to contradict myself and have an impossible time with this question.

I will try to keep it short....

It is real, but just as real as the physical.  I think some people tend to separate it in its... realness.. from the physical.  From my experience we are essentially always projecting, just into different places.  Its just our luck that we get stuck mostly in the "physical", I am just glad that I get that occasional time someplace else!  

I hope that made sense and answered your questions!

My EPs have not felt like Lucid Dreams. I've had 2 Ethereal Projections, and 1 Astral (I'm actually questioning weather or not this one was real or not, as it transitioned from a dream and still felt dream-like while projecting).  

whoa there buddy, dont confuse yourself.  I found it was much easier to project and to enjoy myself once I ditched all the confusing terminology.  Who cares if it was an EP, AP, LD, WILD, dream, what have you.  I just treat them all as EXPERIENCES.... for me, each one is completely different from the next and attempting to classify them is essentially pointless in my opinion.  Just some advice.  

[Astraldude]

"up to 30 to 40 minutes"

By that do you mean in physical terms or astral terms.if physical how long did it feel like in the astral,Iv head time as massively different

And thanks all of you for your explanations i hope to try to project again during the api time limit see if i can meet any of you there

[CFTraveler]

Not being an expert, I'll comment on something: When I was young and not really understanding what was happening to me I used to go to what I now know were  Astral Realms, and stayed there long enough to remember them, or rather, not forget them for years.  Now, a good 20 or 30 years later, though no expert, but at least a lot more experienced, and trained, and able to project consciously, I can't stay out as long or go to the awesome places that I did as a child.  So, ... :dont-know:

[-E-]

CFTraveler, i believe this may have something to do with your imagination as a child. If a child projected, i believe they would be more awe-struck and completely fascinated and amazed by the new world they see before them,
also their far more vivid imagination would mean they can more clearly think about what they would like to see, and this would be reflected in the experiance, this is just my view tho.

[David Warner]

Astraldude,

It is hard to say in physical terms how long I was actually out, but at a rough guess around 30minutes. How I'm able to arrive at this notion is because of the experience length and depth.

At first, my obe experiences were a paragraph of text. As I started to learn to maintain consciousness, being avid in leaving the body those paragraphs turned to pages, and pages leaving out no details. The one experience that I had turned out to be roughly 15 pages (front/back) total 30 in all if you were to count 1 page.

When I returned from the obe, I couldn't remember a thing. up until 15-20minutes later it all poured into my physical waking consciousness. I had to record to tape all what had happened due to the fear of losing the data.

Also, when I fall a sleep I will verify the time and when upon waking from the obe I immediately write both times down. Normally, it takes me 15-30mins to project on average.

Hope this helps!

Tvos

[Astraldude]

Hi voice of silence

Thanks for all the answers just one question to you is when you said that it was approx 30 minutes how long did it feel like.Because iv heard people say that 10 minutes in physical feels like 1 hour in the astral is this true

[kiwibonga]

You need to clearly define time in relation to memory...

The problem is, time does not actually exist, it is only an illusion. When we leave the body, we have a tendency to simulate time passing by. The problem is that time is part of what makes us human... In order to be fully lucid and not experience a dream, but a subjective experience, we have to bring along our full senses. That includes our rational thinking mind, our fears, our emotions, etc... And of course, it includes the notion of time and space.

In other words, you should consider that time does not pass by when you are out of body unless you want it to. You have the power to "freeze time" so to speak, although that would not be a correct way to put it. In actuality, you have the power to be in "the eternal now" ; this is a concept that is very hard to understand for our human brains -- even now, for me, it's hard to understand it to its full extent...

I suspect that when you are close to the physical plane (i.e. visiting the real time zone), you are experiencing time the same way as you would if you were in your physical body. As you dimensionally shift away from this "real time zone," you are not subjected to the earthly notion of time, everything simply is. In order to understand your experience, you still have this need to put everything in chronological order. You will say "first I did this, then I did this, etc..." -- then you could say that you did everything at the same time, but that would be fooling yourself, since there is no such thing as time!

So huh... To answer your question, depending on where you are dimensionally, and how you perceive reality, you will experience time more or less like in the physical universe, as if everything was constantly evolving along the dimension of time. When you dream, usually, the experience will be similar to instantaneous flashes of memory in your brain ; you are experiencing your timeless self, and translating experiences into things you can comprehend, with a chronological order.

[kajaLove]

Astraldude,


How long do u think it is possible for an expert to stay in the astral for?
- I've been able to stay out up to 30 to 40 minutes. I still don't consider
myself an expert. Just a real hard worker and driven to the cause.

How long do u think it is possible for a beginner to stay in the astral for?
- My first obe was about 30 seconds, the second obe lasted about 5
  minutes. After that, it was trial and error of keeping alert and conscious

What do you think hallucination or a real place?
- Definitely not in Kansas anymore! - Its a real place and yes, I've been
  able to validate this. In fact, this last year I've had over 15 validations.

Have any of u had an AP that you thought was real and physical.
- Yes, sometimes its real difficult to distinguish between the RTZ and
Physical. Until something odd happens, like fog drifting through the wall.

And also have any of you ever spoken to lost loved ones.
- Funny you should mention this. Yes, just yesterday morning which
also followed with validations. I'll post this experience in the Astral Experience section for AP friends to review.

You can also visit my web site at: www.invisiblelight.us for the last
19yrs of journals, audio, video, stats on my tracking with the obe

scientific and spiritual.

Enjoy,

Tvos

Since you people didn't come to the other similar thread, that thread will come to you. Your answers as to how long you've been able to stay out are very different from answers major Tom provided in the following thread:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23061&start=20&sid=712484c5e3df6c8946ad488f2466018c,

where he said he manages to stay out for about 5 minutes max, and I would considere him an expert on a subject. So what is it that you do to manage to stay out for such long periods, while an expert (major Tom), only manages to stay out for 10 minutes.

Also, is your perception of time the same when you are out? If it depends, on what does it depend?

[David Warner]

Astraldude,

As Kibonga put it and Major Tom, time does no exist in the astral and higher realms.

One thing that I do want to point out when I started to edit the videos that are on my web site. It would take me 10-15mins to enter the trance state and project. The video that I recorded on 3/5/93 clearly shows that at 4:47AM the vibrations started and the experience began. At 4:56AM (9 minutes later) I had awakened from the OBE.

Here is the time-line:

Astral Projection Video

Date: 03-05-1993
Time: 4:37AM - 4:56AM
Subject: Video Projection

David A. Warner (Tvos)
www.invisiblelight.us
CopyRight 2006

Sequence of Events
Time: 4:37AM - 4:47AM to get into the trance state

4:47 AM   My body jerked once which you also could see it on the facial
               expression. (Note: This is when the vibrations hit )

4:49AM   Head turns to the right.

4:52AM   Hand raises to scratch face then the hand rests on the chest.

4:53AM    Head movement.

4:53AM    Arm lifts in the air  

4:56AM   Heads turns back into original position, eyes open for a few
               seconds, eyes look around and close.

4:56am    Eyes squinch, head turns to left, and eyes open.  Awakened to
               the physical. Refelective in throught of the out of body
               experience.

Even though the OBE was rather quick and that the experience didn't last long in the astral, in the physical it was 9 minutes.

The other video experiences breaking it down, lasts ten minutes, but in the astral there's accelerration. One minute in the astral can be 10 minutes to physical time.

Hope this helps!

Tvos

[Astraldude]

yes that helps thanks m8

[Vilkate]

Hey, I have got a question too..

What is your opinion on the "brainwave" music, that drags into trance state and is said to "kick you out" in astral realms?