Being attacked while out of body.. urgent please help!

[missym]

Well.. I made a post awhile ago about being harassed by spirits. For 5 days now, nothing has happened, until last night.
The reason I put this in the out of body experiences section is because everytime the spirits are harassing me, I feel like they are trying to pull me out of my body. Every single time I have a bad experience, I am going through sleep paralysis. I am usually not even asleep before it happens, but it hits me and I can't move. And that's when everythign starts.

When I have an out of body experience, if my spirit body has not fully separated from my physical, I get a horrid pain in my lower back if I try to move up. I do succeed if I can handle the pain, but it's so intense that usually I just keep meditating. Anyways, last night I went into SP as usual, and my back hurt really really bad. It began to arch, and I heard voices flying around the room laughing at me. I tried praying to the Creator, or my higher self, and demanded that they leave, but everytime I did they continued laughing in my face. They were saying something I couldn't understand. I felt hands grab my wrists, and I was very scared because I had my two year old sleeping beside me. My dog got scared and ran downstairs, whining like crazy. I finally broke out of SP, and moved my son in between my fiancee and I. I went back to sleep, and the voices were there again, but this time, they cut off my breath. It was as if my throat closed and I couldn't breathe, and I tried praying again and again and they kept laughing at me! Then all of a sudden I could breathe and I was gasping for air, and they kept closing my throat. I woke up gasping..

Why is this happening to me? Somebody please tell me this is all in my head.. I'm getting very scared, I don't know what to do or who to talk to..

PS - for all the noobies who have just begun to practice OBE's and AP, don't let this scare you. I haven't had experiences like this on a regular basis, ever. It all began when my fiancee and I used a Ouija board (and it didn't even work!) I have had the most amazing experiences AP'ing, and I won't stop practicing it no matter what.

[Killa Rican]

Personally I dont think you will be able to find the help you need here, you should try looking into a few Occult forums. Or Personally PM me And I can Come up with a few solutions to help you. I been pulled out of my body as well.

But I can predict some responses like "Stop believing in negative entitys, And you will stop being attacked."

NO. It's not as simple as to stop "believing". IF only it were that easy. But I am looking to help you if you want.

[Monk]

Now you've entered the big leagues. Most individuals practicing in the occult would not even be able to deal with this on their own. These beings have sucked enough etheric energy from yourself and/or the others around you to pose a legitimate risk to one's life. It's too late to do the "stop believing routine", too late to ask for help from friendly entities, too late to even ask help from local occultists.

Get out of your house and go to your local library or any other place that has internet access. Research online forums and whatnot for Lifelong occultists who have much experience with demonic entities and ask for assistance. If there is a large number of known occultists whom you trust within your locale, ask for their assistance as well. Asking even a local Catholic priest wouldnt do harm. (Also if you know of anyone who can do long-distance "psychic" work, ask them to investigate if the area has a "portal" of sorts still present)

This affair has gone beyond the "safe zone" of being able to handle it on your own. it must be dealt with en masse, or you will be risking your health.

[Xanth]

See Missym, the problem is that, as Monk mentioned, you've completely convinced yourself that this is real... and further to the point, you've convinced yourself that you need something stronger to help yourself.

In my opinion, you've already got the STRONGEST thing in all of creation on your side... your own mind.  The problem is, you've also got it working against you right now.  Stop thinking that you need some outside intervention in this... you've created this, you're sustaining it, you can beat it.

I still believe that Monk's initial suggestion in your other thread is the best one:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_psychic_and_paranormal/being_harassed_by_spirits-t33149.0.html;msg272997#msg272997

And kids, that's why you should never use an Ouija board

Smudging and doing whatnot and cleansing rituals in my opinion are just bs. It wont matter how well you clean the area/person with etheric energy cleansing techniques for the concept of the entity still being present has taken a hold of your mind. It creates a sense of "dread" and you want to clean it away. But the concept of cleaning it away still remains in your mind and therefore it allows the entity, if intelligent enough, to continue feeding off other persons in the area just because one or more persons  feels this dread. The best way would be to not let it phase you whatsoever since it is by that route that the entity gets its energy to do whatever it wants to. Simply letting it's existence slip away from mind would be sufficient enough since its attack would diminish severely and thus deter it. To forget about it fully and move on in life. Thus the concept of "mental control". A placebo in essence but an anti-viral in method. Whether proven or not, it could be attributed as the basis for every other "cleansing" method there is, but that's another thread.

Anyways the most critical component to this is simply just let it go. If you cling on even in the subconscious, it wont work.

You have to find a way to completely ignore this.

"Mental control"... there's a reason why I tell people that it's *REQUIRED* if you want to get anywhere with projection. 

[missym]

I am pretty experienced with astral projection and have not encountered anything like this before.
The reason I haven't looked for help is because I didn't believe it! In all of my experiences, when I ask for help from my higher self, and demand that the beings leave, they do. I always sense my higher self with me - always.
This is just different. When I demand they leave, they laugh or ignore me. I feel powerless. And until yesterday, I didn't seek help really, because I believed I could overcome this on my own. Last night, my I felt my throat close and couldn't breathe. We are only human. I am officially scared, and my belief is starting to fade that I can do this on my own.

[CFTraveler]

Well.. I made a post awhile ago about being harassed by spirits. For 5 days now, nothing has happened, until last night.
The reason I put this in the out of body experiences section is because everytime the spirits are harassing me, I feel like they are trying to pull me out of my body. Every single time I have a bad experience, I am going through sleep paralysis. I am usually not even asleep before it happens, but it hits me and I can't move. And that's when everythign starts.

You've been around here for a while, so you may have read many of my posts, but I used to have a problem like this (I didn't attribute it to spirits, but the symptoms were the same, except for the backache part (which I developed later, due to a fall).

When I have an out of body experience, if my spirit body has not fully separated from my physical, I get a horrid pain in my lower back if I try to move up. I do succeed if I can handle the pain, but it's so intense that usually I just keep meditating. Anyways, last night I went into SP as usual, and my back hurt really really bad. It began to arch, and I heard voices flying around the room laughing at me. I tried praying to the Creator, or my higher self, and demanded that they leave, but everytime I did they continued laughing in my face. They were saying something I couldn't understand. I felt hands grab my wrists, and I was very scared because I had my two year old sleeping beside me. My dog got scared and ran downstairs, whining like crazy. I finally broke out of SP, and moved my son in between my fiancee and I. I went back to sleep, and the voices were there again, but this time, they cut off my breath. It was as if my throat closed and I couldn't breathe, and I tried praying again and again and they kept laughing at me! Then all of a sudden I could breathe and I was gasping for air, and they kept closing my throat. I woke up gasping..

I think you are having more than one problem, I can give you advice for a variety of symptoms, but there is one that I continue to use because it works so well.

Why is this happening to me? Somebody please tell me this is all in my head.. I'm getting very scared, I don't know what to do or who to talk to..

I can't tell you that, it may be a combo.  But for the sake of simplicity I'll give you piecemeal advice as if it's a given that you have problems from negative entities and you can decide whether to include it or not.

PS - for all the noobies who have just begun to practice OBE's and AP, don't let this scare you. I haven't had experiences like this on a regular basis, ever. It all began when my fiancee and I used a Ouija board (and it didn't even work!) I have had the most amazing experiences AP'ing, and I won't stop practicing it no matter what.

I second that. 

For the 'forced pulling out' I do sponging on the limbs that feel like they're being pulled out.
This always works, because it redirects the attention and control to the limbs affected, and it distracts me from whatever else is happening.
By concentrating on the sponging, I was able to stop reacting to the other stuff, ignore it first, then really study it as if I were some sort of scientist trying to get at what's behind the appearances of what I am seeing.  And you'd be surprised at how well all of this worked.

If you feel you are accosted by negative entities, sometimes hematite on the affected parts (with me it was the feet and the legs) helped to keep me grounded, and it afforded some protection, even if psychological.
A salt shower before bed reinforced the clean safe feel.
ps. raising energy did wonders for my backaches also.

Good luck, I know you'll be ok.

[Killa Rican]

For something as Serious as this, I respect Everyones viewpoints including yours xanth. But The Spirit World doesnt work that way. It's not a matter of her convincing herself. And things like this dont  stop just because you want them to. Whether a Person wants to accept it or not, it's not going to stop Spirits or Entitys to influence, affect, and Impact one's life to a certain degree and the people close to them. "Behind the scenes" Matter of fact it's the complete opposite. It's Extremely DANGEROUS to just ignore it.

Still they are multiple ways to handle it, you can search for a proffesional experienced in banishing, or as CTF suggested you can cleanse and do energy work yourself.

[Monk]

You could have dealt with this with your own mind initially, but you chose not to. Plus anything dealing with anything paranormal all has it's points of origination with "it's all starts in your mind". It's the basis for everything. But things do indeed get complicated fast.

Although what you must realize...... IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION...

You messed around with the etheric realm - which to some is an extension to the physical realm - and now you have to deal with the karma you've created.

Funny thing you say that we are all human. Being human has nothing to do with biological speciation. Being human is being what you think you are. The key is there, it's just that you are too inexperienced to deal with it...

[krobin1533]

I think that Ouija boards are evil. When you mess around with a ouija board you are asking for trouble in my opinion. Especially!!! if you know how to astral project!! If you haven't already done so, get the board out of your house. Than I would take a break from AP until you get this under control ( if you can help it ). Ive been attacked by dark entities many times, but it isn't ever that scary cause I know who is in charge and that there is no physical damage that they can do to me. Its more annoying than scary. But the second you ask them in, you are putting them in charge and honestly I think a lot of people are screwed at that point. Don't get me wrong, I think you can beat this, but you better pray hard!! Good luck!

[Killa Rican]

Ouija boards themselves aren't evil. They are just tools. But there is a right way and a wrong way to use a ouijaboard. Especially if a person is just "Meddling". I don't really bother with them. Although This wouldn't  happen if a person has done everything they can to secure themselves before entering a session.

[Everlasting]

Assault them out of body, it has worked for me. Or perhaps something simple like calling angels.

[Xanth]

Now you've entered the big leagues. Most individuals practicing in the occult would not even be able to deal with this on their own. These beings have sucked enough etheric energy from yourself and/or the others around you to pose a legitimate risk to one's life. It's too late to do the "stop believing routine", too late to ask for help from friendly entities, too late to even ask help from local occultists.

Get out of your house and go to your local library or any other place that has internet access. Research online forums and whatnot for Lifelong occultists who have much experience with demonic entities and ask for assistance. If there is a large number of known occultists whom you trust within your locale, ask for their assistance as well. Asking even a local Catholic priest wouldnt do harm. (Also if you know of anyone who can do long-distance "psychic" work, ask them to investigate if the area has a "portal" of sorts still present)

This affair has gone beyond the "safe zone" of being able to handle it on your own. it must be dealt with en masse, or you will be risking your health.

In the effort to get Missym some help, I'll second this from Monk.
It's probably the most sound advice.   

Try to find some occult shops in your area and speak with someone there, they're generally very knowledgeable in what you're seeking.

In any case, Missym, our thoughts are with you.  Please be safe.

[CFTraveler]

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION...

I second this, and third it also.

[krobin1533]

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ASTRAL PROJECTION...

I agree with this, but in my experience the only time I have any interactions with dark entities is when I am either lucid or AP. What I am saying is that if you are in the same room as a dark entity it can only attack you if you become lucid or if you AP. So why not hold off on AP until the problem is taken care of? But how do you know if the problem is taken care of if you don't AP?? Hmmm.

[Lexy]

Salt works incredibly well to absorb all this negativity. Put little containers of salt in every corner of your rooms. Sprinkle it on your carpet before vacuuming. Put some salt in a water botlle & use it to clean the counters. Wash the floors with ammonia. Put a bowl of salt under your bed. Buy some salt lamps. This will neutralize the energy so whatever you invoked won't be able to stick around. Also have faith in yourself, you are stronger than you know. Godspeed.

[Summerlander]

I agree with this, but in my experience the only time I have any interactions with dark entities is when I am either lucid or AP. What I am saying is that if you are in the same room as a dark entity it can only attack you if you become lucid or if you AP. So why not hold off on AP until the problem is taken care of? But how do you know if the problem is taken care of if you don't AP?? Hmmm.

If you hold off on AP you are only running away and the fear is what feeds such manifestations. Say to yourself that you will have a positive experience before you induce an OOBE. If you see these "dark entities" and they attack you, don't run! Face them and believe that they can't do anything to you because they are nothing but fear manifestations.

[CFTraveler]

but in my experience the only time I have any interactions with dark entities is when I am either lucid or AP. What I am saying is that if you are in the same room as a dark entity it can only attack you if you become lucid or if you AP.

Not so.  True negative entities attack you whether you are aware of them or not.  The fact that you believe that it will only attack you if you are aware of it makes me think that it is self-created, and reacting to expectation.

[Greytraveller]

Hallo missym
Have you tried either a banishing ritual or psychic shielding?? Both of these require more detail and explanation than space and time now allow so try looking through or searching the 'Welcome to the Energy Body and Chakras Forum' and the 'Welcome to Magic" forum here at AstralPulse. Also Robert Bruce is Very big on Psychic Defense (he wrote an entire book about it) so you can also go to the astralsdynamics website. Also a google search will turn up LOADS of info on both.

Good luck  
Grey