BIG trouble with the vibrational state or lack there of help needed

[sockcake]

ok so i have been attempting to AP for A LONG WHILE now with very little succes,ok what i do is i put on a iso tone for aid in projection ok i keep the iso tone on throughout the attempt what can last up to 2 hours but that is genrally 2 hours of me repeatedly trying techniques (including not trying) which dont seem to be working at that time so very little luck in the projection department its almost like i can reach all the states of relaxtion needed but the vibrations just dont come.

but the real strange and confusing thing is before when i attempted AP regualry (months ago) i could use any method to get to what i thought was a vibrational state  in under 10 minutes and the state for me was intense to say the least but sill no *vibrations* my heart rate soared my heart charka felt like it was bursting through my chest as did my heart and solar plexus charka intill that point peeked but then because i get diseriontated by all the feelings and then kaaaaput failed, no vibrations to speak of arfter a while i gave up intill recently ive been trying again, and this is the fustrating part it almost feels like its getting harder to AP, at first it was little things like the rope technique i couldnt keep hold of it like my astral arms kept letting go and then every other tech got that little bit harder with the floating technique its harder to maintain the floating feeling witht he hammock i lose control of the swaying and it essentialy stops and this all got worse attempt arfter attempt untill we reach the present where techniques feel almost impossible to do but if i try my hardest i can reach a state where my stomach pulsates ever so slightly (nowhere near as intense as before).

so what im asking is whats going on and how do i fix it,now i know it isnt fear, it feels like the oppisite of what some people describe as having a loose astral body except it gets worse and worse or my subconcouis is trying to stop me and winning big time and ive tried affirminations if that is the case and nothing still.                       

[Lionheart]

 2 hours is a long time. I think it was Ryan that wrote in his Primer that if you are not getting signs that you are near after 20 minutes to stop and try again another time. It sounds like you are putting way too much pressure on yourself. Relax and let it happen. You aren't always going to have the vibrations. I have been Phasing since April regularly and now only notice a mild shift of consciousness. If anything I get a light "tingle" for a couple of seconds, that's about it for signs now. Try just sitting down and meditating, no stress, no pressure, just meditate and see where that leads you. I was told in a Phase Session awhile back that I had to learn to focus on becoming unfocused to make this whole shift easier. Think about that statement, it's confusing, but helpful.
Safe Travels! 

[CFTraveler]

ok so i have been attempting to AP for A LONG WHILE now with very little succes,ok what i do is i put on a iso tone for aid in projection ok i keep the iso tone on throughout the attempt what can last up to 2 hours but that is genrally 2 hours of me repeatedly trying techniques (including not trying) which dont seem to be working at that time so very little luck in the projection department its almost like i can reach all the states of relaxtion needed but the vibrations just dont come.

but the real strange and confusing thing is before when i attempted AP regualry (months ago) i could use any method to get to what i thought was a vibrational state  in under 10 minutes and the state for me was intense to say the least but sill no *vibrations* my heart rate soared my heart charka felt like it was bursting through my chest as did my heart and solar plexus charka intill that point peeked but then because i get diseriontated by all the feelings and then kaaaaput failed, no vibrations to speak of arfter a while i gave up intill recently ive been trying again, and this is the fustrating part it almost feels like its getting harder to AP, at first it was little things like the rope technique i couldnt keep hold of it like my astral arms kept letting go and then every other tech got that little bit harder with the floating technique its harder to maintain the floating feeling witht he hammock i lose control of the swaying and it essentialy stops and this all got worse attempt arfter attempt untill we reach the present where techniques feel almost impossible to do but if i try my hardest i can reach a state where my stomach pulsates ever so slightly (nowhere near as intense as before).

so what im asking is whats going on and how do i fix it,now i know it isnt fear, it feels like the oppisite of what some people describe as having a loose astral body except it gets worse and worse or my subconcouis is trying to stop me and winning big time and ive tried affirminations if that is the case and nothing still.                       

What I can see is that you're expecting symptoms you've heard about and ignored the ones you are getting.  Vibrations are not one specific sensation, they are a variety of sensations (from buzzing, to rat-tat-tat noises, to yes, heart thumping, chakra pulsing  and floaty or even seizurelike swaying).   They are all examples of vibratory exit symptoms, and all indicate you are in transition to another 'frequency'.  So what to do?  Ignore them and try an exit technique, be it an OBE exit technique or a phasing attention-melt type of shift.

An affirmation is what you do to get your subconscious ready to accept the out of body reality, not an exit technique.  You are having transitional sensations, now go deeper into the trance and do the next step.

[omcasey]

CFT is the best, damn I love that absolutely neutral straight-to-the-pointness.

[CFTraveler]

Idk, I think I was too cranky last night when I wrote it.

[sockcake]

i will keep trying but i assumed that was the vibrations anyways, i guese that means i was right the thing that im wodnering is how do i get to that state again as i said it almost feels as if everythings getting harder

[CFTraveler]

To get to the transitional state you have to acquire the trance, in whichever method suits you best.  But mainly, forms of meditation.  The symptoms change anyway, so the point is not to 'reach a vibrational state', but to reach a state in which you are almost asleep, yet aware.

[Peterpanicz]

Hey forum i think i got the same problem
every day i try to astral project ived only got to the vibrational state one time..... Please someone tell me what i do wrong


When i try to astral project i just lay down in my bed and thinkin about floating upwards like flying or something telling myself how great it wuld be

Thanks  

[Stookie_]

Please someone tell me what i do wrong

Rather than just laying in bed and wishing to AP, you would have a greater chance of success with some proven techniques. There are a lot in the Astral FAQ's and Permanent Astral Topics. Don't jump straight to trying to leave your body, spend time learning to shift awareness to another state of consciousness before your attempt.

[Peterpanicz]

Thank you for the support

[catmeow]

The Wake Back To Bed technique is the simplest and most reliable. There used to be a guy called saltcube who produced loads of excellent info on this technique, which used timers to wake yourself up at specific intervals. But saltcube seems to have gone all commercial now (which comes as no surprise because he had info which was worth paying money for). But just Google Wake back To Bed.

I just searched the forum and there seems to be quite a lot of chat about saltcube. You could search for saltcube on this forum too.