Title: Blocked from OBE. Advice sought.
Post by: Tisha on January 04, 2003, 20:29:33
Post by: Tisha on January 04, 2003, 20:29:33
Only a month and a half? Darling you've only just begun!
Energy raising is good. Kind of like going to the gym. It gives you good . . . um . . . energy biceps. Mr. Bruce was wise to include energy raising exercises in his book. For one, it gets us all to sit still !!!!! Two, having a strong energy field, including the ability to move energy at will, comes in REAL handy when you finally get out on the Astral.
HOWEVER. It has not been my experience that "raising energy" alone induces OBE. Neither will meditation, by itself. Both raising energy and meditation are important to OBE, but that mental leap to OBE takes something more. It takes a certain stillness, a certain surrender, a certain kind of will. Perhaps someday I'll be able to explain it . . . !
All I can say for now is keep reading - - - keep meditating - - - keep up with the exercises. Find out what is working for the others who post on this forum, and try their techniques!
Good luck, and happy travels,
Tisha
"As Above, So Below"
Energy raising is good. Kind of like going to the gym. It gives you good . . . um . . . energy biceps. Mr. Bruce was wise to include energy raising exercises in his book. For one, it gets us all to sit still !!!!! Two, having a strong energy field, including the ability to move energy at will, comes in REAL handy when you finally get out on the Astral.
HOWEVER. It has not been my experience that "raising energy" alone induces OBE. Neither will meditation, by itself. Both raising energy and meditation are important to OBE, but that mental leap to OBE takes something more. It takes a certain stillness, a certain surrender, a certain kind of will. Perhaps someday I'll be able to explain it . . . !
All I can say for now is keep reading - - - keep meditating - - - keep up with the exercises. Find out what is working for the others who post on this forum, and try their techniques!
Good luck, and happy travels,
Tisha
"As Above, So Below"
Title: Blocked from OBE. Advice sought.
Post by: shedt on January 05, 2003, 00:07:04
Post by: shedt on January 05, 2003, 00:07:04
what kind of things can you do with alot of energy built up and stored? how is it handy? i'd like too hear what you have too say, i am interested
take care!
from shawn
take care!
from shawn
Title: Blocked from OBE. Advice sought.
Post by: Aeneas on January 05, 2003, 11:30:19
Post by: Aeneas on January 05, 2003, 11:30:19
That's an excellent question, Shawn. Since I am new at this, I do not have much to say in answser to it, except that I have used a directed flow of energy into my nose and throat area and it seemed to lessen the severity of a cold I have been trying unsuccessfully to get rid of for a month or so.
Let's address this quesiton to others. I'll raise it in the energy development forum. Search for my post there and let's see what others have to say.
Let's address this quesiton to others. I'll raise it in the energy development forum. Search for my post there and let's see what others have to say.
Title: Blocked from OBE. Advice sought.
Post by: Zarklon on January 05, 2003, 15:07:37
Post by: Zarklon on January 05, 2003, 15:07:37
I too am trying to figure out what benefits come with a high energy body.. they say its easy to project with a lot of energy built up but I dont know how I would directly use that energy to have an OBE , thats the main reason I would want to raise my energy.
Are you supposed to raise it up so much that eventually you are able to focus your whole body awareness to some tiny part of your body and then direct it outwards or something !?
Are you supposed to raise it up so much that eventually you are able to focus your whole body awareness to some tiny part of your body and then direct it outwards or something !?
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Title: Blocked from OBE. Advice sought.
Post by: Glacius on January 06, 2003, 23:39:06
Post by: Glacius on January 06, 2003, 23:39:06
You are blocked because you think you are blocked. It is the only thing holding you back. I dont really have the expereince to explain to someone who has not acheived prejection. I cant explain. I have had one, and it took three months of hard work and dedication to remove the blocks in my mind. Maybe someone who can explain better can help you. I think you just need more time to learn about the expereince. Dont read about it ans talk about it. Do it. All the time. Try it all the time. The more you try the more you learn.
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Title: Blocked from OBE. Advice sought.
Post by: Aeneas on January 04, 2003, 11:58:38
Post by: Aeneas on January 04, 2003, 11:58:38
I have been raising energy faithfully for about a month, but sporadically during the previous month and a half. Probably 1/2 to 1 hour per day. I have clear energy sensations, etc., and these sensations as well as my body awareness are much stronger/clearer than was the case with my previous (limited) work with taichi and chi gung.
Nevertheless, I have not been able to achieve an OBE and the symptoms of the failure have been consistent. I enter a light-to-mid-level trance, then after a mild sense of my consciousness sinking, begin the rope technique. I then get a sense somewhat difficult to describe, but it is like being swept suddenly by a torrent. That usually jolts my consciousness up and halts the process. At other times I have had a sense of getting caught somehow in my throat area, a certain feeling that my breathing is suddenly constricted, but associated with my movement. It is as if I were moving out of body and got held up at the throat center, with the movement somehow squeezing off my ease of breathing. Once or twice this was accompanied or slightly preceded by rapid heartbeat.
I read the about problem Robert mentioned in AD regarding some people having a pre-existing tendency to stop breathing during sleep that only becomes noticed during OBE attempts due to the maintaining of consciousness into the bodily-sleep state, and so tried to notice my breathing prior to this experience and it seemed normal, unconstricted and regular.
This is starting to frustrate me. I have read almost all of Astral Dynamics, have had a good sense of the increased energy resulting from the NEW technique, seemed to have gained some health benefits therefrom, but achieving OBE was for me the first key milestone. Any advice?
Nevertheless, I have not been able to achieve an OBE and the symptoms of the failure have been consistent. I enter a light-to-mid-level trance, then after a mild sense of my consciousness sinking, begin the rope technique. I then get a sense somewhat difficult to describe, but it is like being swept suddenly by a torrent. That usually jolts my consciousness up and halts the process. At other times I have had a sense of getting caught somehow in my throat area, a certain feeling that my breathing is suddenly constricted, but associated with my movement. It is as if I were moving out of body and got held up at the throat center, with the movement somehow squeezing off my ease of breathing. Once or twice this was accompanied or slightly preceded by rapid heartbeat.
I read the about problem Robert mentioned in AD regarding some people having a pre-existing tendency to stop breathing during sleep that only becomes noticed during OBE attempts due to the maintaining of consciousness into the bodily-sleep state, and so tried to notice my breathing prior to this experience and it seemed normal, unconstricted and regular.
This is starting to frustrate me. I have read almost all of Astral Dynamics, have had a good sense of the increased energy resulting from the NEW technique, seemed to have gained some health benefits therefrom, but achieving OBE was for me the first key milestone. Any advice?