Possible encounter with a neg whilst OBEing ?

[neg removal5]

Hi Kalonek

    I believe when you are astral projecting, you know it beyond all doubts.  If you have any doubts at all as to whether you were astral projecting or not, then you probably weren't. In that case it was probably just a dream or lucid dream.

    However, if you prepared for the OBE state like you always did, and you know that it was a consciousness out of the body experience, then most likely you encountered some kind of "neg" entity.

    I'm suprised though that you followed it into the other room knowing that it had a dark presence to it.  Maybe it wanted to attack you but it knew if you saw what it looked like before it got close to you that you would quickly escape back into your body.  But by hiding behind a curtain it drew on your curiosity so that when you pulled back that curtain, it was to late, you were in range for an attack.

    In the future I wouldn't pull back any curtains if you know or believe some dark presence has run behind it before you had a good chance to get a look at it.

People need to come up with some good countermeasures or techniques a person can use in the astral realm when encountering a "neg" to possibly avoid any spiritual body to spiritual body fighting.  Right now one of the best techniques would be just to shake you spirit mind connection real hard as to quickly put you back in your physical body again.

Maybe one of these days it will be safe in the astral realm for humans to project all the time.  However I believe that is in the far distant future.

[Kalonek]

Hi neg removal5 ! Thanks for your answer.

quote:Originally posted by neg removal5
    I believe when you are astral projecting, you know it beyond all doubts.  If you have any doubts at all as to whether you were astral projecting or not, then you probably weren't. In that case it was probably just a dream or lucid dream.

Well at the moment i'm projecting yes, but when i come back it's harder to be sure, moreover when unusual things have happened, like here, but as i wasn't totally sure i tried a second projection which worked as easily, so i know i was definitely projecting.

quote:Originally posted by neg removal5
    I'm suprised though that you followed it into the other room knowing that it had a dark presence to it.  Maybe it wanted to attack you but it knew if you saw what it looked like before it got close to you that you would quickly escape back into your body.  But by hiding behind a curtain it drew on your curiosity so that when you pulled back that curtain, it was to late, you were in range for an attack.

Well in fact it's kinda strange to explain what went through my minde at this time, as i don't know myself sometime why i'm doing things in OBE. Well when i saw on my left that dark shadow going quickly away where i can't see it, i knew it was some bad stuff, but i was at the same time a little afraid (i had seen worse in previous OBE, like a direct horrible face the first secs of OBeing but usually made by my imagination as it vanishs quite fast as i will it to disapear) but i didn't want that thing juste to leave and come back later when i won't care about it anymore, so i followed it to kick its butt (i just wanted to, i was sure i could, as i was a little angry at the same time against this thing doing me stuff when i'm asleep). So i just followed it without thinking. At the threshold of the dark room, i saw the curtain, and saw that things would probably get bad, but i couldn't get back, my body moved alone to the curtains and when i was close enough the womanish creature jumped at me. It wasn't hurting or anything, but it surprised me as "she" had a really horrible face. I tried to kick her butt by knocking her with my fist but it was like if i was in water and i had no force in them, there were just balancing, while her's were really fast, so i went back to my body by quickly thinking of it as i saw i was about to lose the fight. Btw the thing wasn't really frightened, it was more like if she wanted to hide so i wouldn't be aware of her presence and wouldn't care of what she's doing to me.

quote:Originally posted by neg removal5     In the future I wouldn't pull back any curtains if you know or believe some dark presence has run behind it before you had a good chance to get a look at it.

As i said i didn't really want to go near them, i was attracted against my will. Btw, as we're talking about negs, i am wondering if what i live some nights is a psychic attack, as i don't know what it looks like. In fact a few nights ago i woke up half-sleeping, with a really nasty feeling like something really evil was surrounding me in my room and coming back and force upon me, like trying to enter my head, my body, making a horrible feeling of terror, but i can't do anything but try to resist and don't move, faint to be sleeping as i don't want it to get worse. And i feel like i'm really exhausted, so i'm very weak and can't resist well, and this thing(s) is coming again and again, from everywhere, i can nearly see some white stuff in my eyes closed. The thing is, that this night i remembered suddenly that that kind of thing has happened since my early childhood, but i didn't remember it ! Like if my memory of this vanish when i wake up, but not this time. I don't know if it's a dream that i have since many years, or some real thing i should care about, but it is really bad to experience. It's the same feeling i have (but not so bad) in many dreams when suddenly i find myself in a dark house, alone, and feel it's haunted, that an evil thing is marauding there and i don't want to move, i'm so frightened. Just by writing that i feel so bad ... So does a psychic attack looks like this or is it my imagination again ?

Thanks.

[Greytraveller]

Kalomek,
IMHO you did encounter a negative entity. Yet you probably had this encounter in a Real Time Zone (ethereal/etheric) location. Chances are you were in a run down and abandoned building. Very possibly that location was really haunted by some type of pretty nasty spirit.
Also it is quite normal for people to have distorted perceptions, especially in unfamilar surroundings during stressful situations.
BTW, pursuing this idea one step farther it is even possible that this witchy woman was defending someone in the room (like the black shadow?). Maybe she/it thought you meant it harm. That maybe a bit farfetched - it's just an idea. [?]

[Kalonek]

Hello folks !
Well i would like to know what you think about what happened to me this morning. So, i was half asleep in my bed, eyes closed, and i felt that i could achieve easily an OBE. A very light pressure on my astral body pushed me out of my physical body, and i was floating over a bed, but it wasn't my room, and everything was shining in a bright and beautifull white light, the walls etc, so i thought i projected directly in the astral plane. But i also saw on my left a black form escaping from my vision behind me, like if it was frightened that i could suddenly see it. I flew back on my feet and followed it in the room next door. The other room was totally the opposite of the bright room : very dark, without light, and with an moderately-evil feeling, and i saw that the dark thing was hidden behing a curtain (!) I come to look at it, and a dark woman-like thing jumped at my throat, with pointed teeth and claws, a leather-like skin, screaming and shouting. I was surprised and tried to beet it but i was sucked back in my body. I thought first i had dreamt of an OBE, but i tried to get out again and i achieved it really easily, but this time in real-time zone, and i saw my room shining with gold light on the walls.
So, what do you think of this ? Was it a creation of my imagination while OBEing or some weak neg frightened by me ? Or even not a neg but some kind of entity ?

Thanks !

Kalonek