Dear friends, I couldn't begin to describe my excitement to you after this enormous step in my personal development, but I will share this story to you of what just happened, so perhaps you can benefit from it in some way or another.
~ 9:00 pm
I decided I would lay down for another session of energy work and guidance from higher-self to help me find my way to astral projection and whatever comes after that.
I soon realized that I needed a new technique of effectively raising energy in order to project.
So, and this was the key ingredient - I decided I would, with my mind"pull IN" energy from my feet.
5-10 min after I had layed down, after my energy body would get stronger and stronger buzzing yet not uncomfortably, suddenly with an instant i would start getting bodily and thought-wise paralyzed and exit vibrations would hit me (softly) to kick me out.
So, there it is folks, the magic ingredient. I raised more and more energy by pulling it in from my feet and up my spine and this would start kicking me out of body literally within less than 10 minutes.
Contrary to popular belief my experiences have shown me that a deep trance is not necessary in order to project - and that the objective is not to shut down theb physical-mind at all as is proclaimed so often, but to activate the energy body, raise energy until the point that it becomes like a rocket of a burst that you can use to just shoot out of the physical body.
Until this day I have only pondered what the key ingredient might be, having only the usual and rare spontaneous OBEs in the morning and such.
Now that I can reproduce them at the spot, my journey can begin :-D
kind regards,
Paul
Congratz Paul 8-)
:NoY:
Congrats. Where did you go when you projected?
Quote from: Naykid on December 12, 2010, 15:48:39
Congrats. Where did you go when you projected?
I abborted the process so I could process the technique and write it down.
I'm going to continue now, although It'll be hard to relax with all that excitement.
Quote from: NoY on December 12, 2010, 15:36:44
Congratz Paul 8-)
:NoY:
I'd like to hear some more of your stories too. I know you're a pretty experienced one...
Quote from: Unabomber on December 12, 2010, 15:49:42
I abborted the process so I could process the technique and write it down.
I'm going to continue now, although It'll be hard to relax with all that excitement.
Woot! Good luck! and of course keep us up to date. I'm excited for you. :-)
Quote from: Naykid on December 12, 2010, 15:54:29
Woot! Good luck! and of course keep us up to date. I'm excited for you. :-)
Thank you.
I just repeated the process and the same thing started happening, well but now my body needs some food and entertainment :-D.
I forgot to mention a few curious details.
I experimented a bit with the separation process - when it happens, it is interesting to note how talking seems to get harder and harder as it proceeds, eventually I can just mumble before losing bodily grip alltogether.
It is also interestin to note how sense of heat and cold seems to diminish.
I have used energy raising in another situation yesterday when i stood out in the cold to avoid the pain of freezing, with a few guys outside a pub during a smoking break. My body would feel cold but I myself active in my energy body would no longer suffer from it.
Good job Tiny. ;)
Tiny!
damnit ryan.
i was in the process of posting my Tiny revelation and you posted seconds before me.
Quote from: Xanth on December 12, 2010, 16:22:11
Good job Tiny. ;)
well, well - i told you :roll: :-D
Quote from: personalreality on December 12, 2010, 16:22:21
Tiny!
damnit ryan.
i was in the process of posting my Tiny revelation and you posted seconds before me.
I R TEH WINNAR. ;)
Quote from: Unabomber on December 12, 2010, 16:24:52
well, well - i told you :roll: :-D
Welcome back. :)
Quote from: Xanth on December 12, 2010, 16:25:45
we only allow one account
tat better i suppose... :-)
Quote from: Tiny on December 12, 2010, 16:28:06
tat better i suppose... :-)
Ok then, I'll talk to Adrian about getting that other one disabled. Thanks :)
In retrospect, I am suprised that I have tried so many, many mental techniques all with no avail, including all those internal energy-movement techniques.
I guess I just never placed enough emphasis on energy pulling itself and too much on visualization exercises.
It makes projection awfully easy, given the individual has patience and a certain degree of focus is available to him.
I keep finding that tensing up of muscles, i will agree with robert bruce, is an unfortunate byproduct of a lot of energy raising.
Quote from: Xanth on December 12, 2010, 16:29:46
Ok then, I'll talk to Adrian about getting that other one disabled. Thanks :)
yea that'll be fine, since this one still exists.
Quote from: Unabomber on December 12, 2010, 16:20:16
Thank you.
I just repeated the process and the same thing started happening, well but now my body needs some food and entertainment :-D.
I forgot to mention a few curious details.
I experimented a bit with the separation process - when it happens, it is interesting to note how talking seems to get harder and harder as it proceeds, eventually I can just mumble before losing bodily grip alltogether.
It is also interestin to note how sense of heat and cold seems to diminish.
I have used energy raising in another situation yesterday when i stood out in the cold to avoid the pain of freezing, with a few guys outside a pub during a smoking break. My body would feel cold but I myself active in my energy body would no longer suffer from it.
I've never used the energy raising myself, but I can relate to the talking gets harder and harder, not that I make it a point to talk while meditating but occasionally one of my kids will interrupt and I can answer without messing anything up and having to start over. And funny enough, it's when I'm in a light trance when I can still speak but veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyy sloooowwwlllyyy.
Your story about the standing outside in the cold made me think of monks that can control their body temp.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html
Quote from: Naykid on December 12, 2010, 16:38:25
I've never used the energy raising myself, but I can relate to the talking gets harder and harder, not that I make it a point to talk while meditating but occasionally one of my kids will interrupt and I can answer without messing anything up and having to start over. And funny enough, it's when I'm in a light trance when I can still speak but veeeeerrrrrrrryyyyy sloooowwwlllyyy.
Your story about the standing outside in the cold made me think of monks that can control their body temp.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html
Yes and it made me also think of those people who could freeze themselves in Ice without dying such as this guy:
I can think of no reason other than energy raising.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/12/10/article-1092968-02BB7772000005DC-483_468x286.jpg)
No way would I do that... I hate the cold, my muscle hurt. How long did he stay in that thing??? yikes.
I was going to mention I did test my breathing technique when I had a Dr. appt. I did my breathing for about ten minutes while waiting for the nurse to come in and take my blood pressure and what not and she commented that my blood pressure was running low that day, but nothing to worry about. I had the biggest grin on my face because I knew why it was low.
Quote from: Tiny on December 12, 2010, 16:36:01
In retrospect, I am suprised that I have tried so many, many mental techniques all with no avail, including all those internal energy-movement techniques.
I guess I just never placed enough emphasis on energy pulling itself and too much on visualization exercises.
Personally speaking, and we may be talking semantics here, but I don't rely on any "energy" work what-so-ever in my projections. :)
I don't see it as necessary.
Quote from: Xanth on December 12, 2010, 18:37:48
Personally speaking, and we may be talking semantics here, but I don't rely on any "energy" work what-so-ever in my projections. :)
I don't see it as necessary.
Then yor in the wrong thread, son! :wink:
Quote from: Tiny on December 12, 2010, 18:55:29
Then yor in the wrong thread, son! :wink:
Nah, just putting out there the opinion that "energy work" isn't necessary for astral projection. ;)
But for some it obviously is, or this thread wouldn't have been started. It kinda sounds like your knocking his progress. Tiny found what works for him. Well, almost, as he aborted! What's with that? Next time push through! It's like turning the space shuttle around before it leaves the atmosphere.
I don't knock. I never knock.
I give alternative possibilities. :)
Someone might come to this thread... and it be the only thing they read, then they leave thinking that energy work is required for astral projection.
Well, to me, someone who has pretty much not done any, can project just fine. This was the trap that I fell into over the last 10 years... thinking I had to do all this stuff to project, when all I really needed to do was listen to myself. aka quiet the mind and forget the body.
In any case, I'm not saying "DO NOT DO ENERGY WORK", if that's your thing, then go with it.
I'm just tossing out the option that, "hey, perhaps you just don't need to do energy work, because I sure didn't". :)
Quote from: Stookie on December 13, 2010, 12:01:20
But for some it obviously is, or this thread wouldn't have been started. It kinda sounds like your knocking his progress. Tiny found what works for him. Well, almost, as he aborted! What's with that? Next time push through! It's like turning the space shuttle around before it leaves the atmosphere.
you have to understand that I am scientist in mind, and I feel I need to study the exit-process more carefully. I don't just go on trips. I am analytical, not opportunist.
In other words, I don't just wait for the chance at random, i want to study very carefully. I don't see any gain in doing something that I don't yet fully understand.
I have had many random OBEs before, but i don't see any achievement in waiting til one just happens again.
By the way, I will not engage in arguments, not now, not in the future. I'm here to help, no other interest.
kind regards,
Paul
Quote from: Stookie on December 13, 2010, 12:01:20
But for some it obviously is, or this thread wouldn't have been started. It kinda sounds like your knocking his progress. Tiny found what works for him. Well, almost, as he aborted! What's with that? Next time push through! It's like turning the space shuttle around before it leaves the atmosphere.
I don't think I'd be able to restrain myself and not lift off if I'd made it that far. :?
Xanth have you had an conscious obe yet? If you haven't how do you know it's because you don't do energy work. :wink: I noticed this morning, when I used tiny's tech it did seem to speed up the process, but I don't know if that was a placebo effect.
Quote from: Naykid on December 13, 2010, 13:02:42
I don't think I'd be able to restrain myself and not lift off if I'd made it that far. :?
Xanth have you had an conscious obe yet? If you haven't how do you know it's because you don't do energy work. :wink: I noticed this morning, when I used tiny's tech it did seem to speed up the process, but I don't know if that was a placebo effect.
First, "how" I project doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is that I DO project.
Secondly, I have stuck got my foot in the door as far as conscious exits are concerned.
So yes, I can say, unequivocally, that
I do not require energy work for successful projections.
But as I pointed out, I'm not saying "DO NOT DO ENERGY WORK"... I'm saying that I don't need to do it, so others might not either.
In the end, people do best for themselves. :)
I think it might be appropriate to point out that energy work doesn't require you to follow a particular technique (like NEW) and more importantly, energy work may take numerous forms that might not be traditionally defined as energy work.
For example, when Xanth is doing phasing practice, I'd call that energy work.
When Tiny pulls energy up his feet, that's energy work.
When Stookie does NEW exercises, that's energy work.
When I focus on attention on my heart chakra as the primary mode of perception throughout my day, that's energy work.
Just thinking about projection is energy work in it's own way, conditioning your energy to prepare for OBE.
Quote from: Xanth on December 13, 2010, 13:23:04
First, "how" I project doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is that I DO project.
Secondly, I have stuck got my foot in the door as far as conscious exits are concerned.
So yes, I can say, unequivocally, that I do not require energy work for successful projections.
But as I pointed out, I'm not saying "DO NOT DO ENERGY WORK"... I'm saying that I don't need to do it, so others might not either.
In the end, people do best for themselves. :)
OK.. Ryan, I was only asking, seriously you don't need to get defensive every time I speak to you or anyone else on the board. I'm merely having a conversation. I never did energy work either and had many projections. I was just saying that perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, because you've focused so much on NOT doing energy work, you've done yourself an injustice. Some times when we focus on what we don't want to happen, that is the very thing that happens. I'm not explaining myself very well...
I totally agree with you PR and I've said that very thing last week.....
\o/
metaphysically we seem to be on the same page quite a bit.
I think it's more constructive to talk about what does work than say things like "energy work is a waste of time for me" right after someone else said it was a breakthrough for them. The advice given a lot is "you have to find what works for you", and Tiny did that. Tiny's words might help someone who was stuck where he was.
Quote from: Tiny on December 13, 2010, 12:36:04
In other words, I don't just wait for the chance at random, i want to study very carefully. I don't see any gain in doing something that I don't yet fully understand.
I completely understand. I'm sort of at the same point myself right now - I don't want random shots at it anymore, I like conscious success every time.
Quote from: personalreality on December 13, 2010, 13:27:14
I think it might be appropriate to point out that energy work doesn't require you to follow a particular technique (like NEW) and more importantly, energy work may take numerous forms that might not be traditionally defined as energy work.
For example, when Xanth is doing phasing practice, I'd call that energy work.
When Tiny pulls energy up his feet, that's energy work.
When Stookie does NEW exercises, that's energy work.
When I focus on attention on my heart chakra as the primary mode of perception throughout my day, that's energy work.
Just thinking about projection is energy work in it's own way, conditioning your energy to prepare for OBE.
I guess one could call it that. :)
Quote from: Naykid on December 13, 2010, 13:33:08
OK.. Ryan, I was only asking, seriously you don't need to get defensive every time I speak to you or anyone else on the board. I'm merely having a conversation.
Who's defending what? I thought, as you said, we were having a conversation. O_o
I was explaining my point of view on what you asked about. :)
QuoteI never did energy work either and had many projections. I was just saying that perhaps, JUST PERHAPS, because you've focused so much on NOT doing energy work, you've done yourself an injustice. Some times when we focus on what we don't want to happen, that is the very thing that happens. I'm not explaining myself very well...
That's always a possibility. Definitely.
I disagree with it... but the fact remains it IS a possibility. :)
It could be me taking your text wrong but I don't know how you expect me to take it when you start off with a sentence like this:
QuoteFirst, "how" I project doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is that I DO project.
I'm sorry if I read that wrong, you sound defensive. My bad and my apologizes.
QuoteI think it's more constructive to talk about what does work than say things like "energy work is a waste of time for me" right after someone else said it was a breakthrough for them. The advice given a lot is "you have to find what works for you", and Tiny did that. Tiny's words might help someone who was stuck where he was.
Couldn't agree more.
Well done Tiny! I will definately give this techinique a try today. I'll let you know how I get on. :-)
You folks still argue like children! :roll: Always trying to take the lead don't you...
It seems like the criteria for what constitutes an "argument" on this forum is especially loose.
Well, no luck for me I'm afraid. That said I am still a complete novice having only managed to project twice before, and that's only after losing consciousness!!! :-(
Anyway, I did definately feel the energy but I just couldn't control my thoughts. Have you any tips please Tiny, on what you do when you prepare to project? Cheers!
Quote from: AlanRK on December 14, 2010, 07:42:02
It seems like the criteria for what constitutes an "argument" on this forum is especially loose.
hehe I'll second that. ;)
Quote from: daytona955 on December 14, 2010, 08:01:13
Well, no luck for me I'm afraid. That said I am still a complete novice having only managed to project twice before, and that's only after losing consciousness!!! :-(
Don't sell yourself short! Two projections, even from an unconscious state is still two projections!
I think it's the much easier way to have them, but then that's just my personal opinion. :)
Quote from: Xanth on December 14, 2010, 09:43:06
hehe I'll second that. ;)
Don't sell yourself short! Two projections, even from an unconscious state is still two projections!
I think it's the much easier way to have them, but then that's just my personal opinion. :)
Granted, I seem to be able to achieve this easier, it's just that I have no control over when it happens, (at least I don't think I do). And I am still yet to be fully aware when I do project. I know I need to give it time, but there are so many things I'm bursting to do! :lol:
So to the original poster......how do you do this technique exactly? you just imagine tingling at your feet and it eventually sweeps up your whole body? pls tell more thx,
I would imagine it to be similar to Robert Bruce's NEW Full-Body Circuit.
Did a search. Damn it will take me ages to get through all the info on it can anyone give me a quick low down on the exact procedure pls?
Quote from: Bellend_1010 on December 14, 2010, 13:14:08
Did a search. Damn it will take me ages to get through all the info on it can anyone give me a quick low down on the exact procedure pls?
just follow the links inside -> http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/robert_bruce_astral_dynamics_amp_other_books-t31956.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/robert_bruce_astral_dynamics_amp_other_books-t31956.0.html)
Quote from: Bellend_1010 on December 14, 2010, 13:14:08
Did a search. Damn it will take me ages to get through all the info on it can anyone give me a quick low down on the exact procedure pls?
http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/new-energy-ways/using-new-full-tutorial/85-part-9-energy-raising-and-storage.html
And scroll down to
Full Body Storage Circuits Doesn't get any more direct than that.
Congratulations :) I read all the posts and it was very nice thread.
Yeh but this is a problem I have. If there is too much info I just cannot relax and do something because my mind is racing at trying to remember what to do next and if you look at the amount of info on this technique by that 1 page I think I would have to be getting up and lying down and getting up and lying down just to keep looking at it on the computer screen to see if I doing it correctly which would disturb the process.
Can anyone experienced with this method give a very brief procedure? thx.
Quote from: Bellend_1010 on December 14, 2010, 15:36:17
Yeh but this is a problem I have. If there is too much info I just cannot relax and do something because my mind is racing at trying to remember what to do next and if you look at the amount of info on this technique by that 1 page I think I would have to be getting up and lying down and getting up and lying down just to keep looking at it on the computer screen to see if I doing it correctly which would disturb the process.
Can anyone experienced with this method give a very brief procedure? thx.
Then I think you just need to learn to "relax".
If all this stuff is too much for you, I'd suggest the really simple "Noticing" exercise.
It's simple, yet highly effective. :)
that's the crummy part of a lot of these techniques that require a "lot" from you (like visualizations). you have to do it enough to make it habitual.
Quote from: personalreality on December 14, 2010, 15:42:42
that's the crummy part of a lot of these techniques that require a "lot" from you (like visualizations). you have to do it enough to make it habitual.
Ya but some of these techniques seem just too complicated by the amount written about the why's and the process I just wish they could simplify it a bit more and that way it would be less to think about whilst practising and would be more relaxing to try.
Quote from: Bellend_1010 on December 14, 2010, 15:56:00
Ya but some of these techniques seem just too complicated by the amount written about the why's and the process I just wish they could simplify it a bit more and that way it would be less to think about whilst practising and would be more relaxing to try.
Re-write them so that they make sense to you.
That should make it easier for you to follow.
If you're having troubles... re-write it and PM me what you do, I'll happily go over it with you. :)
Ok, simply:
Breathe in very slowly. Verrryy slowwwlyyyy.
As you breath in, feel energy going up your legs, up your back and up to the tip of your head.
Now, exhale slowly. Again, very very slowly. SLLLLLOOOOOWWWWLLLLY.
As you exhale, feel warm 'water' trickling down your face, down your chest, all the way to your belly, and imagine it going into your belly button, a little below it, into an imaginary bucket that's right below your belly button. (navel).
That's it.
Now do it as many times as you like.
Do it as you read, and just keep doing it. There's no getting up, you just do it while sitting or laying down or however.
Quote from: Unabomber on December 12, 2010, 15:25:15
So, and this was the key ingredient - I decided I would, with my mind"pull IN" energy from my feet.
5-10 min after I had layed down, after my energy body would get stronger and stronger buzzing yet not uncomfortably, suddenly with an instant i would start getting bodily and thought-wise paralyzed and exit vibrations would hit me (softly) to kick me out.
kind regards,
Paul
Paul/Tiny/Bomber
Congrats and thanks for sharing.
I like your attitude. We must study the process and make it so reliable that it can be used to project at whim. Now there are 1001 methods to project, but one that works every time and for everyone is impossible to find.
It sounds very much like
kundalini to me. Looks like you found a way to activate it on will.
Quote from: CFTraveler on December 14, 2010, 21:27:59
Ok, simply:
Breathe in very slowly. Verrryy slowwwlyyyy.
As you breath in, feel energy going up your legs, up your back and up to the tip of your head.
Now, exhale slowly. Again, very very slowly. SLLLLLOOOOOWWWWLLLLY.
As you exhale, feel warm 'water' trickling down your face, down your chest, all the way to your belly, and imagine it going into your belly button, a little below it, into an imaginary bucket that's right below your belly button. (navel).
That's it.
Now do it as many times as you like.
Do it as you read, and just keep doing it. There's no getting up, you just do it while sitting or laying down or however.
K thx but how will you know when to actually project? do the vibrations suddenly start or?
It would seem that people are confused about my position on the relation of "Energy Work" to "Astral Projection" and I wanted to clear this up.
People seem to be confused thinking that I don't believe in "energy" or any of its related systems (ie: chakras, meridians, kundalini, energy manipulation etc)... nothing could be further from the truth. I do recognize, acknowledge and accept that these things exist. I *have* dabbled with all of those things from time to time. Once in a while I still do... but not with any particular goal in mind.
In any case, my specific position here is that if your goal is to solely do Astral Projection, as mine is, then I do not believe that you need to engage in Energy Work in order to do it. HOWEVER, if your goal is Astral Projection and other metaphysical ventures then feel free to do whatever you feel is necessary to attain that goal, which includes energy work. :)
I've never said not to do energy work... I've only ever suggested that perhaps you don't need to do it in order to do Astral Projection and perhaps you'd be better using that time for actually practicing.
This will explain it in more detail: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/12/15/energy-work-and-astral-projection/
But that's really a lie everyone, because Xanth does energy work a couple times a week. He does Aikido. That's all about working with energy, even if they don't overtly say that.
Quote from: personalreality on December 15, 2010, 10:24:03
But that's really a lie everyone, because Xanth does energy work a couple times a week. He does Aikido. That's all about working with energy, even if they don't overtly say that.
Shhh, quiet you. ;)
It's more of a physical nature.
People attack me with their physical energy and we're taught to redirect that through subtle movements.
I won't say it's 100% different, but in the same breath, I don't feel it helps me do astral projection any better. :)
bull crap
Quote from: CFTraveler on December 14, 2010, 21:27:59
Ok, simply:
Breathe in very slowly. Verrryy slowwwlyyyy.
As you breath in, feel energy going up your legs, up your back and up to the tip of your head.
Now, exhale slowly. Again, very very slowly. SLLLLLOOOOOWWWWLLLLY.
As you exhale, feel warm 'water' trickling down your face, down your chest, all the way to your belly, and imagine it going into your belly button, a little below it, into an imaginary bucket that's right below your belly button. (navel).
That's it.
Now do it as many times as you like.
Do it as you read, and just keep doing it. There's no getting up, you just do it while sitting or laying down or however.
K thx but how will you know when to actually project? do the vibrations suddenly start or?
I concur with Xanth to a degree; energy work isn't necessary for astral projection. However I think it helps the process immensely. I also think that even the simple tasks of relaxing and concentrating, the two crucial keys for astral projection, are a form of energy work.
Quote from: Unabomber on December 12, 2010, 15:25:15
I raised more and more energy by pulling it in from my feet and up my spine and this would start kicking me out of body literally within less than 10 minutes.
Hi Tiny,
Can you tell us how YOU pull energy from your feet up your spine? Do you have a technique you could share with us? :)
Quote from: 11_Chimp_11 on December 17, 2010, 00:23:02
Hi Tiny,
Can you tell us how YOU pull energy from your feet up your spine? Do you have a technique you could share with us? :)
Better yet, read this: http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/new-energy-ways/using-new-full-tutorial.html
Robert Bruce explains it wonderfully.
Thanks Xanth, I'll give that go.
I was wondering if the OP had a more simplified version perhaps. :)
If you want to change the technique then alter it to suit you. It's a perfectly valid, and even optimal, way to proceed.
AlanRK is most definitely correct.
But in my opinion, Robert Bruce really does make it as easy as possible to do it. :)