Can anyone help with this one?

[Endless Dave]

Here is an account of what I felt the other night...

Listened to the out-of-body Idose. Became very relaxed fairly quickly, started to feel quite strange, feeling like something could be happening. After probably about 15-20 mins, in a state of deep relaxation, tensed all my muscles to see if it would trigger anything. Immediately felt very intense sensations, felt like something was really about to happen. Heart started pounding rapidly, although in light of what Robert Bruce said, wondered if this really was my physical heart or my heart "centre" or "chakra". Before I knew of Bruce's theories, I had felt this rapid heartbeat before and aborted, thinking that it was my physical heart. Heartbeat became very fast and powerful, also my eyelids started to twitch quite intensely, as if receiving electrical impulses, never felt this before. I didn't want to move but the sensations were unusual and frightening, and I really wanted to know if that was my actual heartbeat or not. So I broke out of it, put my hand on my chest and felt my heartbeat, checked pulses on both wrists and all confirmed that it was my physical heartbeat. Something happened to raise my heart rate and intensity of beat massively and it got me quite concerned. Am going to avoid the muscle tensing thing, think it was more that than the Idose, although that probably augmented things.

Can anyone offer any assistance here, particularly to let me know if either my heart was going to explode or my eyes pop out?! I presume you can't do yourself any damage, but the way my heart rate was affected was kind of frightening.

[Eliza]

I HAVE HAD THE EYES FLUTTERING BUT NOT THE HEART RATE INCREASE. USUALLY THE FLUTTERING ENDS AFTER A FEW SECONDS, AND WHEN I FEEL LIKE SOMETHING IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN USUALLY THERE IS NO HEART OR EYE FLUTTERING.

I THINK IT IS UNIQUE FOR EVERYONE SO THERE IS NO FIXED WAY - LIKE THE EAR WHISTLING, MINE COMES FROM THE LEFT NOT THE RIGHT! HOW ODD....

ELIZA

[Endless Dave]

Thanks for your response Eliza. Although it wasn't a fluttering of the eyes, it was intense twitching of the eyeLIDS, it wasn't eye movement as in REM sleep. Can anyone else shed any light on all this, perhaps if they've experienced something similar?

[liam123]

When I was younger I had along with the Vibrations Heart Racing, but my eyes never bothered me whilst under the Meditation State. Although after the sessions of Astral Projection I began having severe eyestrain headaches, I think due to other reasons. Regardless REM or Rapid Eye Movement would have to do with REM sleep and I do not think you could really achieve noticaeable REM during Alpha BrainWaves, which is conscious Brainwaves.

Idose? I also had very hardcore incidents of heart palpitations later in life, but after a lung condition and drug abuse. So I doubt that you are in danger unless you have some pre-existing conditions? Usually OOBE from what I've heard and experienced causes excitement, as it is for many equivelant of a rollercoaster ride about to happen. Heart might race when you approach a Girlfriend?

Regardless for you own sake, make sure you have a clean bill of health. I rend to follow the rule here that you should be a stronger than average individual both mentally and otherwise to entertain psychic experience. Why? In case things get intense...although many sickly and elderly people I have heard explored it all the way through

[Endless Dave]

Thanks for that, some interesting thoughts there. I do wonder if it was just tremendous excitement as I felt like I might have just been about to go out of my body for the first time! I am still yet to though. I am a fairly young and healthy guy so I guess I don't have too much to worry about, just a bit of a novice with this whole thing!

Idoser is a binaural beats program, more info here:

http://www.i-doser.com/

Based on Robert Monroe's research, what a guy!

[Vibra]

Rapid heart beat and fluttering eyelids happen to me all the time. Ive learned to ignore the heart but the eyelid thing really throws off my concentration. I know exactly what your talking about. Eyelids twitch so much my eyes practically open and it ends my attempt. The heart beat at first 10 times would  end my attwmpt but Ive learned to ignored and actually enjoy it. Then the eyelids start and I cant seem to get past the twitching eyelids
Good luck

[Endless Dave]

Excellent, it sounds like you're experiencing exactly the same thing as me! So have you actually gone out of body yet? I'm wondering if what we have both experienced is a sign that we are on the verge, or if it means something else entirely....perhaps that we are putting ourselves in a state of extreme excitement as we believe we are about to go out of body, and this mental excitement is simply causing an unusual physical reaction.

[Vibra]

Yes I believe I am extremely close. I'm just missing a small piece of the puzzle. I believe the trick is to totally ignore all physical sensations completely. You want to disassociate yourself with your body 110%. The second you think of your physical body your done. The twitching eyelid thing has got me stumped because I have to concentrate on keeping my eyes closed AHGGGG!!!
From everything Ive read and I'm no expert or doctor so do with this info what you wish, is the heart sensation,that I feel is the energy Body duplicating itself for projection. It is one of the last steps before projection. I can actually feel the energy rising up my body from my toes going through each chakra before it reaches my heart center. For example Slight genital arousal, pressure in stomach area, heart activation, slight throat tightness, change in sight, pressure top of head. Takes probably 1 minute or so to rise from Toes to head. It is amazing and a very inviting feeling. This is very routine and consistent for me. 
Ignore it ALL!!  Theres more sensations than that, It is not easy at first. I'm learning to ignore them one sensation at a time. Ill give you a little history of me and why I'm here
I used to get real strong vibrations (allot once a month or so) since around 17 years old. Very violent and I would obviousally wake up at that point. Roughly 8 months ago they came 2 times in a month. After the first time I goggled it on line and researched it. No medical explanation, doctors don't know why, Everything pointed to OBE. The second time they came I told myself to relax see what  happens. Well then the heart started racing (you know the feeling) now I'm really freaked out. Went to the book store bought the Mastering Astral Projection in 90 days book. To make a long story shorter I realized I was doing energy work and energy bouncing since a child (7-8 years old) and did not realize it. Ive been induced the trance sensations all my life without realizing what I was doing. I am now 40 male, own my own professional business for many years. I guess Not what you would characterize as being into this.  Although That belief is quickly changing the more I learn.  So I thought I did not care for the Paranormal/supernatural/energy Karma that kind of stuff. I was wrong and wish Id paid attention to what my body and guides were trying to tell me all along.
As to making it out. Thats a question I'm trying to answer to myself. Looking back at my nightime "adventures" Yes I have. Flying "dreams", Lucid "dreams", reoccurring "dreams" with the same beings, "waking up" I know I'm lying down but sitting up trying to reach for the most beautiful Kaleidescope Ive ever seen with funny looking hands Etc Etc. Now I want to be 100% conscious while my adventures continue. I started out extremely strong making major progress in the beginning but the last month with new stresses in my life has caused me to go backwards. I'm dealing with them now.
One of the most amazing sensations is my change in sight. If you haven't experienced it yet, you will its awesome. From the light show to solid colors usually light purple to pink to billions of stars. One night while practicing I saw my room ceiling through my closed eyes.

Ill tell you keep at it the more you learn to ignore the sensations the more they go away. No more vibrations for me just an internal warm buzzing. Heart center once violent (felt like someone pushing a stick through my back on the inside of my chest) has calmed to just a slight thumping.
If you havent allready read it I suggest Mastering Astral Projection in 90 days by Robert Bruce. I bough mine at a large book store chain in the Paranormal section. It answered a ton of questions for me.

If you dont mind me asking, What has brought you to this point of your life, How did you learn about this, have you read anything?

This has totally changed my life in so many positive ways and embrace the day when I will turn around and see myself sleeping!   

Good Luck

[loppoppy]

haha ok i'm in a rush and saw a lot of writing so i'm just gonna post my thoughts on what you originally posted. If this has already been said then apologies.

The eyelids fluttering can happen because your eyes are focused or are positioned in an awkward way which can happen whilst you are focusing and begin to exit, you don't notice thats what it is at the time but if you attempt to readjust your eyes then you will notice that was the problem.

The raised heartbeat happens to me everytime i am about to exit, theres nothing to worry about, in fact i enjoy the rush =P. It was rather overwhelming at first, it proper starts pounding haha it's like i've just gotten onto a big rollercoaster and i'm all excited and scared coz it's about to shoot me 1000 feet into the air haha.
But no nothing to worry about, in my experience this happens when you are so VERY CLOSE to exiting, if your like me then all you have to do is keep focused for about 10 more seconds and the sudden increase in your heart rate will cease and your projection will be complete. When experiencing this sensation also look out for a sudden electifying jerk when you exit, after this you will have switched into your astral body but you will not be fully out. in which case don't get scared and quit just continue to focus until u feel yourself slip further away from your body. Once far enough away you will gain control over your astral body and you will gain the ability to see and travel through your surroundings =).

I think the raised heartbeat happens because your body hasn't fallen asleep properly, which would be the case for you because you tensed your muscles =P.

Have fun with your next attempt =)

[Endless Dave]

Many apologies for my delay in reply to the people that responded to me. Life and its various procrastinations can get in the way, as I'm sure you all know.

Vibra: Thanks for your detailed response. A lot of things you are saying make an awful lot of sense, and I have experienced similar things, although many of your experiences go beyond mine. It's always interesting to hear how people arrive at investigating these kind of things, I find most people, like yourself, have had things happen to them that they cannot understand, and have embarked on their journey through wanting to find out what is going on. It is different for me...I have just heard about all this amazing stuff and wanted to explore it, because I feel that if it is all true, then it is the most significant thing in our existence. That makes it worth looking into for me!

Interesting to hear that you own your own business, me too! It kinda shakes off the image of people that are into this kind of stuff being a bunch of hippies disassociated and not able to deal with the real world, doesn't it! Robert Monroe is good proof of this point, going from being a high-performing advertising executive to one of the leading voices on OBEs.

My discovery of this area comes from an interesting place. My main passion in life is music, particularly the heavier and more experimental end of things. I am greatly into a (now disbanded) band called Maudlin of the Well originally from Boston, who were primarily a doom metal band but were always at the most experimental edge of what they were doing, incorporating elements of jazz, ambient, acoustic and psychedelic music. I find their music deeply emotional and spiritual, the effect on me is indescribable, and they have pretty much changed my life as a musician. I was reading the liner notes of one of their albums, and I discovered that they had been attempting to use astral projection to create their music, attempting to retrieve music from the "astral library", bring it back and interpret it on their albums. This absolutely fascinated me, and hence I began to look into astral projection and OBEs.

I started to realise that there were actually a helluva lot of people interested in these subjects, and a lot of people out there experiencing it first-hand. Such realisations came, for example, upon reading about astral projection and then realising that some of the HP Lovecraft short stories I had been reading were basically accounts of his astral excursions. I thought they were just very imaginative stories! It's always fascinating when little things like these come together in life. (For anyone specifically interested in Lovecraft and such activities, this is quite interesting...http://www.curiouschapbooks.com/Catalog_of_Curious_Chapbooks/Lovecraft/body_lovecraft.html)

With regards to what I have read thus far...only one book in it's entirety, Robert Monroe's "Far Journeys". This was kind of in at the deep end, I am definitely going to backtrack and read his first book, "Journeys out of the body". But it utterly captivated me, and made me want to learn more and more. His style is so accessible, and I was struck by just what a "normal" person he seemed to be. A normal person who has just stumbled upon this stuff. If everything in that book is true, it is basically a complete model of the universe and our existence within it!

I have also just started "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce, and I expect I will move onto "Mastering Astral Projection". Again he seems a very grounded person (the video interview with him on youtube is great!), and he has clearly done a massive amount of personal research into this area. I look forward to continuing with the reading of his work. I have also just purchased a book by Preston Dennett, a less well-known voice but I listened to an audio interview with him on youtube, and again was so struck about what a nice normal guy he sounded, someone who has just stumbled across OBEs and has been inspired to find out more.

It is wonderful to hear what a positive thing this has been for you in your life, I feel I will be saying similar things very soon (in fact in a way I feel that I already can, without actually having had any first-hand experiences)

loppoppy: Very interesting to hear your opinion on the eyelid thing...I actually do tend to focus my eyes in a certain way during my attempts, so could well be the explanation. Good to also get more reassurance about the dramatic increase in heart rate, i shall try to just ride it out next time and see what happens!

With regard to the muscle tensing thing, I have actually not described it correctly, I just wrote "muscle tensing" because that is the closest thing I can describe it as. It actually feels like what I am doing is something beyond physical....it feels like tensing the muscles throughout my body but it is not actually doing that, it is some sort of tightening of something throughout the body, but I just cannot put into words how I do it or what it feels like. It may be connected to the energy body, I just don't know. But I can do it at any time after a second of thinking about it, I can do it right now. It was definitely at the point of doing that that I had my most intense sensations during a projection attempt, whether I was just triggering something or it is directly connected, I am yet to discover.

Thank you for your interest and advice, it is all very much appreciated.

[Vibra]

Endless Dave
Thanks for your response. I will check out the band Maudlin. That is interesting as I am originally from the Boston area. My awakenings  have taken me to areas of my subconscious mind that are assisiting me in "understanding more and more every day". Heavy Metal was and mostly still is my music of choice. One of my excersizes is to pay extremely close attention to everything in my everyday life. all 5 senses including vibrations and intuition in my surroundings. As I listen to my music library there are a tremendous amount of AP refrences in the songs. What I am learning is Ive been being drawn to this (AP among many other phenomina) all my life. If your interested in understanding backgroung info on many energy/spiritual/universal phenomina I suggest the book "Our Ultimate Reality". Many observations/data in the book are assisting me in putting together questions Ive had for many years.
The more I see the more I learn. The more I learn the more I see.
Take care good luck
Vibra   

[Vitruvian]

Endless Dave,
Thanks for that link to a side of Lovecraft I wasn't aware of - this makes some of his writings much more interesting! If you are familiar with the SciFi writer Roger Zelazny, I always thought a lot of his imagery (moving through the worlds) must also be derived from personal experience.
Vitruvian