Can astral projection be used to kill people?

[zorgblar]

Because i heard once that this was possible.And if it is that's creepy.

[galaxy_storm]

by "killing" you mean to make the physical body to stop functioning right? if so, think about it this way: to influence the physical from astral takes really a lot of practice, and probably only the most experienced AP-ers can do this- and if you're that experienced, you really have another things to think about than killing others.

HOWEVER, the fundamental thought is that everything is possible, so from the very essential perspective even this is possible...

[zorgblar]

by "killing" you mean to make the physical body to stop functioning right?

Yes that's what i was getting at.Thanks for answering my question in your above post because i wasn't sure what to think about this because it sounded unlikely.

[Milkdrops]

I didn't think that was possible either but apparently it is.

Thing is though i'm betting if anyone committed such an act, I would think they would face fierce karmic penalties especially out in the astral.

[zorgblar]

I didn't think that was possible either but apparently it is.

Thing is though i'm betting if anyone committed such an act, I would think they would face fierce karmic penalties especially out in the astral.

The fact that people CAN kill with astral projection is creepy!

[LittleJoe]

I didn't think that was possible either but apparently it is.

Thing is though I'm betting if anyone committed such an act, I would think they would face fierce karmic penalties especially out in the astral.

If you believe in such penalties then you will probably receive them where necessary. Personally I don't believe in laws such as the three fold law or karma, even though the underlying symbolism in karma is interesting.

On the subject of killing though, I suppose it's possible. The possibilities in the astral are many.

However to actually be able to influence the physical from the astral in such a manner that it would kill someone would take a lot of work and training. I suppose there are easier ways to achieve the same result.

Does anyone have any experiences with influencing the physical while out of body?

[Stookie]

You're much more likely to be killed crossing the street than during an astral projection. You AP every night when you go to sleep and you don't die. If more people could astral project, they would see this thread is ridiculous.

While anything may be possible, the reality of that happening is not worth thinking about. It'll just stir up irrational fears.

[Klaxen_2008]

K I got 2 Q's about this:

1. If killing someone during A Projection is possible then how would it be achieved? would it be like
a poltergeist like where they can throw large heavy object at someone enough to kill them or?!?!?!

2. If using astral projection to kill someone was possible, would the government not had utilized this ability long ago?!?! Take a political target such as Saddam. Had the government been able to do this via "special agent astral travelers" or whatever then i'm sure Saddam or other people the Government have wanted out of the way would have been gone long ago.

We all know the Government have messed around with things such as Remote viewing and such so if it was possible it should've been done by now. Just my thoughts.

[Doringo]

How about: it's technically possible, but it has probably never happened before and most likely will never happen (99.99%?)

[Klaxen_2008]

Hmmm and if it has happened then I doubt anyone could really ever come to a conclusion as to why. It would be under unsolved murders or death by mysterious circumstances,

[CFTraveler]

I didn't think that was possible either but apparently it is.

Apparently, according to who?

[Klaxen_2008]

That galaxy storm dude.

[CFTraveler]

by "killing" you mean to make the physical body to stop functioning right? if so, think about it this way: to influence the physical from astral takes really a lot of practice, and probably only the most experienced AP-ers can do this- and if you're that experienced, you really have another things to think about than killing others.

HOWEVER, the fundamental thought is that everything is possible, so from the very essential perspective even this is possible...

Everything is possible in the astral doesn't mean that everything is possible in the material world- the material world has laws of spacetime- so going in the astral and 'killing someone' doesn't mean someone is going to die.  If we are energy having a physical (and not so physical) experience, then the only killable thing is the material, which is the part of us that has a built-in 'transfer' mechanism.  The fact that there are many reports of an afterlife tells me that the part of us that is spirit doesn't die, just changes, maybe.  So I don't see how saying "only the most experienced APers can do this" is compelling evidence that this is possible.
I'm not saying it's not possible because I don't know if it is- I'm saying I haven't seen anything that would convince me that it's possible in this thread.  (Or any I've seen).

Added on edit: There is a belief system that says that whatever you think about in the physical takes place in the astral.  I tend to believe that- but it doesn't really translate the other way around.  If it were true, every time you dream you kill someone (or die, etc.) would come true- and I don't think it's so.  I guess what I'm saying is that maybe an expert in manifestation could if they put their mind into it- but I'd like to think that someone that adept would find a higher purpose than killing.  Of course I could be wrong.

[galaxy_storm]

So I don't see how saying "only the most experienced APers can do this" is compelling evidence that this is possible.

I wanted to say that "only the most experienced APers can influence the physical from the astral", this does not necessarily mean that they can kill people.
And to the "everything is possible" - well I believe that from the very essential perspective this is true, just attaining certain things in the physical (or any other "planes" for that matter) is next to impossible, such as saying "and now the universe will collapse into a tennis ball" - however I believe that if you would be absolutely 100% sure about that it will happen, it would do it for you (you could end up in a parallel universe)

[andrergsanchez]

I didn't think that was possible either but apparently it is.

Thing is though i'm betting if anyone committed such an act, I would think they would face fierce karmic penalties especially out in the astral.

What if you killed someone who was about to kill a little child, thus saving the child's "life"? The idea that all killing is wrong is bizarre, even more so if you believe the person being "killed" doesn't -really- die.

[andrergsanchez]

However to actually be able to influence the physical from the astral in such a manner that it would kill someone would take a lot of work and training. I suppose there are easier ways to achieve the same result.

Assuming of course that this is actually possible, not necessarily. For example, say you wanted to kill Kim Jon Il (the despot of North Korea). There is next to zero chance that you will be able to do it in your "standard body", especially if you wanted to remain alive (in your current body).

[Tongo]

This cant be possible ...if it was dont you think government officials would had utilized it by now to snuff out political targets?

[andrergsanchez]

This cant be possible ...if it was dont you think government officials would had utilized it by now to snuff out political targets?

Maybe they do? Consider just how alike politicians are. Perhaps the differences that are shown to us, the political conflicts, are merely a show put to channel people's sense of rebellion in a way that has no effect on "the system". You hate Clinton, so they give you Bush. You hate Bush so they give you Obama. You hate Obama so they give you McCain. Except they are all working towards the same thing.

[Tongo]

Well what they show to us doesnt really answer this particular Q.

Why would they spend millions of dollars of manpower to track down criminals such as Osama Bin Laden when all the'd have to do is get some psychic/astral spies to go find him and burst a blood vessell in his brain or something to kill him? if it was possible it would had been done by now.

[andrergsanchez]

Well what they show to us doesnt really answer this particular Q.

Why would they spend millions of dollars of manpower to track down criminals such as Osama Bin Laden when all the'd have to do is get some psychic/astral spies to go find him and burst a blood vessell in his brain or something to kill him? if it was possible it would had been done by now.

Let me start by saying I don't even know if AP is a real experience, as opposed to plain allucination.

However, the answer to that is pretty simple. Bin Laden is not their enemy, if he exists at all. Pretending that he is suits some goal, whatever that goal may be. Perhaps Bin Laden's corpse is sitting in a cave somewhere, and all the effort made to find him merely a smokescreen of one sort or another.

I state the above not as someone who is inclined to crazy conspiracy theories and eager to blame "Bush" or whoever for all the world's problems, but as someone who has a much deeper understanding and awareness than most people regarding just how evil Islam, the real Islam, is.

You could also posit several other explanations. Perhaps Al Qaeda has astral agents defending bin Laden. Perhaps the russian or chinese government has astral agents protecting Al Qaeda, possibly without their knowledge. Perhaps demons have grown close to them, and are providing some sort of protection. Perhaps God is on bin Laden's side.

[CFTraveler]

This cant be possible ...if it was dont you think government officials would had utilized it by now to snuff out political targets?

And what makes you think they haven't?
(Just for the sake of argument, I think my previous answer said what I think of this)

[Aquarious]

Let me start by saying I don't even know if AP is a real experience, as opposed to plain allucination.

However, the answer to that is pretty simple. Bin Laden is not their enemy, if he exists at all. Pretending that he is suits some goal, whatever that goal may be. Perhaps Bin Laden's corpse is sitting in a cave somewhere, and all the effort made to find him merely a smokescreen of one sort or another.

I state the above not as someone who is inclined to crazy conspiracy theories and eager to blame "Bush" or whoever for all the world's problems, but as someone who has a much deeper understanding and awareness than most people regarding just how evil Islam, the real Islam, is.

You could also posit several other explanations. Perhaps Al Qaeda has astral agents defending bin Laden. Perhaps the russian or chinese government has astral agents protecting Al Qaeda, possibly without their knowledge. Perhaps demons have grown close to them, and are providing some sort of protection. Perhaps God is on bin Laden's side.

Its sad that people like you actually exist.

You say that you are 'not inclined to crazy conscpiracy theories' yet, your whole post is one delluded, jumbled piece of babble.

I wish people would think about their own lives for just a moment and then decipher how much of it is clouded by conspiracy. Not much huh? But so many people regard government workers or officials as some kind of inter-galatic, secret high-force with access to information in the spirit and Astral worlds. lol... But they MUST keep it from the public!

I think programmes like 'the X files' or books like 'the Da Vinci Code' help fuel the creativeness of these theories. Yes, govenrments have an agenda but if they could manipulate the material world through the Astral, they'd more than likely WANT us to know about it to scare us senseless. The government control people with fear, thats their most powerful tool.

And if you really think Islam is 'evil', you'd be the ideal voter the government would love to target.

I'm not afraid to say that I don't think someone can be killed by another person who was OBE'ing. 100% No.     

   

[Tongo]

Nope it cant be done.

Seriously if it was possible I think Mr Bin Laden would had died from "mysterious circumstances" years ago.

[Vitruvian]

I would like to open this concept up a bit; instead of 'can someone kill someone else while APing', I'd like to ask this:
Has anyone EVER influenced the material world IN ANY WAY while APing?  By this I mean something as simple as placing an object on a dresser, APing and then moving it over one foot; coming back and seeing that the object has indeed been moved over one foot. Or possibly caused a physical sensation, such as touching another person (who is not APing) while APing?

Anyone? Ever?

Vitruvian
PS - I respectfully suggest that both religion and politics are better left to other threads and forums.

[Nameless]

Wow, really. The answer is no. I'll let everyone figure out for themselves why this is so.