Hello everybody, perhaps some of you may have heard of Jerry Gross, an experienced projector who teaches people how to project. I've read he is able to move a physical object from the astral plane.
Jerry's interview: http://www.near-death.com/gross.html
Jerry's HOME site: http://hometown.aol.com/rgross6162/
Brief excerpt from Jerry Gross' interview:
"In my workshops, I teach you to astral project by having you sit in a chair and go out and turn around and look at yourself. If you are lying in bed, you can rise up, turn around and look at yourself lying on the bed. You'll have proof enough when you are able to look at your physical body, from outside of it. I've been asked to prove this many times, in radio shows, and at the Whole Life Expo at the Los Angeles Convention Center where I traveled astrally from St. Paul, Minnesota to Los Angeles and moved a box they had set up on the stage for me. Once you learn how to do this you'll have proved this to yourself, and that's why I call my little group, Search and Prove. I want you to prove this to yourself for that's the ultimate proof. Don't take my word for it, prove it to yourself."
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Please, have any of you ever tried to move a physical object from the astral plane? Were you able to move it?
This is a very simple test you could do: Take an empty Coca-Cola can or bottle (typical aluminium can, 11 cm. tall by 6.5 cm diameter) and put it on a flat and smooth table. Those cans weight very little (only a few grams), and so, they are very easy to move from the physical plane, just give them a slight touch or blow and they'll start rolling.
You could perhaps try to push the can just enough to make it roll and fall down from the table, or push it so that it goes over a very small bump on the table (a tiny grain, or a thin thread, or something like that). That way, the can will not be able to roll back, and later on, when you wake up, you'll be able to check out if it really moved or not.
Do you think you could move the Coca-Cola can just a little bit from the astral plane?
Thanks. qbeac.
do you mean move objects from earth to astral or from astral to physical?
I am thinking either this guy is ahead of the curve or a hoax. I dont think I have ever heard of anyone doing this (if it is really possible what better proof of projection is there????) and I honestly cant think of a way to do it personally but the RTZ is not my forte.
this would be an example of another test to work on and indeed if this testimony is correct. for right now, i have one more playing card to get through reading and have had a few failures attempts. guess the next experiment would be the pop can.
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(http://img499.imageshack.us/img499/9721/torsionalpendulum2bm.png) Make the so called TORSIONAL PENDULUM. Use spider or silk wire. Note- the sensitivity of torsional pendulum is ultra high. Not only this. The torsional pendulum represents certain real receiver of subtle energies. Otherwise the question rises- why move “from astral” a bottle, why not a whole truck??? At least the aim is a real result, not failure. :violin:
It is possible to move physical objects from the astral plane, but not exactly from the astral plane, from the etheric plane or the real time zone as Robert Bruce calls it (this plane is the closest from the physical so it is exactly the same as the physical but the only difference is that you can travel in it with your astral body and fly and pass trough matter and if you have enough etheric matter in your astral body( that's what makes you stick close to the physical), you can even feel the texture of the walls and other objects. This how you can possibly move things of the physical from the astral. But it is not that easy and it is very rare that one can go this close as the physical. You need to have a lot of etheric energy in your astral body. But, it is very possible.
so could i bring a grill from the astral plane if i just imagined it?
note: a grill is a platinum cover for your teeth, usually covered in diamonds or other gems. most rap superstars have them such as: Lil Jon, Paul wall, mike Jones, Nelly, and both of the Yin Yang Twins.
Quote from: dmoneyso could i bring a grill from the astral plane if i just imagined it?
note: a grill is a platinum cover for your teeth, usually covered in diamonds or other gems. most rap superstars have them such as: Lil Jon, Paul wall, mike Jones, Nelly, and both of the Yin Yang Twins.
Very clever, dmoney, we could extend your idea to gold ingots :smile: If somebody finds the way to do it, please, let us know.
Hi everybody, I have found two chapters from an Astral Projection book in which the author talks about moving physical objects from the astral plane. The problem is that I have the book in Spanish. This is the title of the book and the specific chapters:
(SP) Muldoon, Sylvan - Proyeccion Astral
Chapter 9
Chapter 14
Please, does anybody know how to find the same book in English (or other similar books about this subject)?
Thanks. qbeac.
Hi qbeac
You can buy the English version here. I read it many years ago:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/087728069X/qid=1132455322
Muldoon was strictly a RTZ projector, and gives very detailed descriptions of his exit process and the silver cord. In fact the whole book is highly detailed. To move physical objects (so the theory goes) you need to remain close to your physical body, since you need to draw the "semi-physical etheric" matter from the physical body into your astral double in order to give it sufficient density to affect physical matter.
That's the theory anyway. Dr Robert Crookall also expounds the same ideas in his many books.
Moving an object in the physical world around while you are in the Astral Planes is extreamly simple...
It's just like going through a wall... If you think about it to much you will find it hard to get through, If you believe your hand wont just go through the object strong enough you will find it wont and you can move it...
Quote from: AstralBornMoving an object in the physical world around while you are in the Astral Planes is extreamly simple...
It's just like going through a wall... If you think about it to much you will find it hard to get through, If you believe your hand wont just go through the object strong enough you will find it wont and you can move it...
Hi AstralBorn, are you sure it is so simple? I've heard it is not so easy. Have you ever tried it? Were you able to move the physical object from the astral plane?
I can move objects while awake through tk, and while part of a ghost group i have seen objects moved by unseen forces. Are ghosts not people free from there bodies roaming the astral plane?
I believe given the time and practice moving objects while on the astral plane can be done by the same methods as tk while awake.
Hi rimme, that's quite impressive, at least for me :smile: . Please, let me ask you something else: can you also have controlled OBEs? Have you tried already to move a physical object from the astral plane? Thanks. qbeac.
I hate to be the party pooper here but you're definately not going to find real evidence of this qbeac. People who make such claims either lie or are delusional. I would recommend sticking to your original OBE validation tests.
Ya it may be harsh to say this, but its true. This is definately one of those "flying saucer" type phenomenons. Even though I say this, I'm right at the top of the list of people who want to be proven wrong. I BEG someone to prove me wrong, though I still highly doubt it will happen.
OK first telekinesis is not a lie or delusional. Secondly I have been in a ghost group for a few years and i am only stating the obviousness of the situation. That people can manipulate energy while being awake to move objects and that when we have an obe we are energy. As for a controlled obe I personally have only had one obe and it was not controlled. I am only drawing a conclusion based my experience, this forum and others based on telekinesis and Ghosts. Are we not the explorers of the the unknown? Ghosts and tk are as real as obes.
QuoteHi AstralBorn, are you sure it is so simple? I've heard it is not so easy. Have you ever tried it? Were you able to move the physical object from the astral plane?
qbeac I have indeed tried it, And of corse I could move it... Otherwize I would not have said anything.
This is a common thing with me... I move things alot...
And I am not a liar nor am I delusional...
It is as simple as I said...
Draege believeing it cannot be done as you do is what stops you from being able to do it...
Quote from: AstralBornQuoteHi AstralBorn, are you sure it is so simple? I've heard it is not so easy. Have you ever tried it? Were you able to move the physical object from the astral plane?
qbeac I have indeed tried it, And of corse I could move it... Otherwize I would not have said anything.
This is a common thing with me... I move things alot...
And I am not a liar nor am I delusional...
It is as simple as I said...
Draege believeing it cannot be done as you do is what stops you from being able to do it...
qbeac meant if you can move a
real physical object while out of body. As I read your post I'm not sure if you really meant it that way. Maybe you mean, you can move a
Astral Object while out of Body?! That of course is simple indeed.
Can you clarify, please?
I mean moving a physical object while out of my body...
I only just yesterday rearanged my bedroom while I was in the planes.
I donot see how you could think I ment otherwize...
This thread is about moving things in the physical world while your out of your body... I would not have posted if I wasnt talking about that.
Hi rimme, Draege, thank you both for your comments, because in both cases it makes sense what you say. As I see it, we are all learning from each others. And thanks also to AstralBorn.
Now then, rimme and/or AstralBorn, please, let me ask you something:
How far or how close from the object do you have to be in order to be able to move it? Does physical distance has any influence on telekinesis or not? Can you move an object which is 1 metre away from you? Or 2, 3, 100 metres away...?
How easy or difficult it is to move it? In a scale from 1 to 4 (1: very easy, 2: normal, 3: difficult, 4: extremely difficult), how easy or difficult would you say it is to move it?
Is telekinesis something that anybody can learn how to do it (like, for instance, astral projection), or you just have to have that special gift to be able to do it?
Thanks. qbeac.
Some kind of research http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf :wall:
I can move objects from across a room like pens and pinwheels while awake. I believe everything is connected and while we astral travel is no different. Instant travel from one place to another while on the astral plane i think proves that. I think the only hold us back from moving objects on the astral plane is experience and the sometimes lack of lucidity but i think with practice that can be overcome.
QuoteI can move objects from across a room like pens and pinwheels while awake.
This I'd like to see.
I can make a video but if you want to check out www.psipog.net and its links, the site is full of videos. Moving pinwheels and pens are the basics of telekinesis.
It never ceases to amaze me the close mindedness( is that a word?) of people on a obe site! Do the research and read the articles before judging. Telekinesis is not a new discovery.
True, but a lot of stuff with pinwheels is actually slight convection currents created by the hands heat, creating an air flow which turns the wheel. I have yet to see a pinwheel turned when it is behind either thick glass with the hands far from it or with the hands extremely far away from the wheel.
I'd be interested if you could video yourself moving something from the astral, perhaps set a camera up filming an upturned glass bowl with a pen inside. And then moving the pen around inside the bowl?
ill be honest moving a pinwheel or pen under glass is not easy when close let alone across the room. I have seen video of it being done under glass on psipog or one of its links. The whole point of my first post was that moving physical objects from the astral plane could be possible based on telekinesis and the existence of ghost/spirits which i believe are lost spirits/people on the astral plain. Ill leave the tk debates to the tk forums.
note: moving pin wheels can be subjective, there is a certain amount of faith and disbelief any observer will have, its a personal choice.
Quote from: rimmeill be honest moving a pinwheel or pen under glass is not easy when close let alone across the room. I have seen video of it being done under glass on psipog or one of its links. The whole point of my first post was that moving physical objects from the astral plane could be possible based on telekinesis and the existence of ghost/spirits which i believe are lost spirits/people on the astral plain. Ill leave the tk debates to the tk forums.
note: moving pin wheels can be subjective, there is a certain amount of faith and disbelief any observer will have, its a personal choice.
I'm not shut off to the possibility of TK, but I have yet to see something which totally convinces me. Many examples on the net are questionable at best – and the inability for any solid evidence of pinwheels moving when separated from the air flow of the hands create deeper scepticism.
I believe there might be cases of undeniable proof out there of paranormal activity, but there are also a lot of fake, false and misguided cases (which harm the area of the paranormal as a whole).
Regarding this issue, although I have read cases of people influencing the astral from the physical – every time I interact with something while OBE, the effect seems subjective, as the physical remains the same (simple things like turning on lights, yet they are not on when I get back in body). I'm not saying this makes such a thing impossible, i've just not had much luck with such things yet :smile:
I am for the most part a disbeliever, which is why I try everything myself first before I make judgment and even then I look at the possibility that perhaps I just can't do it.
I know what you mean MisterJingo about the pin wheel that's why I practice with a pen. I suggest you try tk, I am trying to astral travel for the thrill and to see if its possible. There are fakes and false cases in everything not just the paranormal. That's probably why we are such a negative society.
QuoteIt never ceases to amaze me the close mindedness( is that a word?) of people on a obe site! Do the research and read the articles before judging. Telekinesis is not a new discovery
I'm not being closed-minded, I honestly would like to see it. I've seen some videos on it, and it is true that you have to keep in mind what Barnum said when viewing such things. It would be cool if you could make a video or something.
Tell me more about this TK with the pen. I have a recurring dream where I'm always doing something like a "Force pull", and it's always to show someone that I can pull a
pen toward me.
Quote from: MisterJingoQuote from: rimmeill be honest moving a pinwheel or pen under glass is not easy when close let alone across the room. I have seen video of it being done under glass on psipog or one of its links. The whole point of my first post was that moving physical objects from the astral plane could be possible based on telekinesis and the existence of ghost/spirits which i believe are lost spirits/people on the astral plain. Ill leave the tk debates to the tk forums.
note: moving pin wheels can be subjective, there is a certain amount of faith and disbelief any observer will have, its a personal choice.
I'm not shut off to the possibility of TK, but I have yet to see something which totally convinces me. Many examples on the net are questionable at best – and the inability for any solid evidence of pinwheels moving when separated from the air flow of the hands create deeper scepticism.
I believe there might be cases of undeniable proof out there of paranormal activity, but there are also a lot of fake, false and misguided cases (which harm the area of the paranormal as a whole).
Regarding this issue, although I have read cases of people influencing the astral from the physical – every time I interact with something while OBE, the effect seems subjective, as the physical remains the same (simple things like turning on lights, yet they are not on when I get back in body). I'm not saying this makes such a thing impossible, i've just not had much luck with such things yet :smile:
i've moved paper clips(7) with my hands behind my back
Quote from: dmoney
i've moved paper clips(7) with my hands behind my back
What process do you go through to achieve that?
qbeac When I move physical things while im out of body
I simply walk upto it and pick it up as if I was doing so normaly in my body
Sometimes it is harder then it is while in the physical world
but most of the time it is much easier...
I can pick up and or move anything I can normaly sometimes slightly heavier things
But I cannot go pick up a car or anything like that.
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She is literally plunged into a swirl of chaotic occurrences, while the characters she encounters on this odyssey reveal the deeper, hidden knowledge she doesn't even realize she has asked for. Like every hero, Amanda is thrown into crisis, questioning the fundamental premises of her life – that the reality she has believed in about how men are, how relationships with others should be, and how her emotions are affecting her work isn't reality at all! ... (it continues)
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I recommend it to anyone. Enjoy it!!!
Un abrazo, qbeac.
Hi AstralBorn, do you mean that you can move a "physical object" while you are having an OBE? Is that what you mean? For instance, a regular pen, if someone of us were awake and conscious, and we were looking at that pen, will we see how it "mysteriously" moves all by itself without any thing apparently touching it (no wind, no magnets, no nothing)?
I could have sworn that it was clear...
I can move an object in the physical world while I am out of my body
The answer to your question is YES!
I am sorry if this post seems rude... As my friend next to me is saying it is... It is not ment to be.
Well, AstralBorn, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION!!!!!!, and I am sorry too if this post seems rude, but I am just thankful to you for clarifying that little bitty doubt I had before.... just kidding, ok? :lol:
Now then, let me ask you something else: when you move the physical object, can you differentiate among several objects which are close by, or not? For instance, imagine you want to move a particular pen (a red pen), but there are two other pens by its side only a few centimetres apart, let's say 5 cm. apart (Ex: a blue pen and a green pen). My question is this one:
Can you selectively move only the red pen? Or when you try to move the red pen the other two pens will also move because they are somehow affected by the same force you are applying to move the red one?
THANKS AGAIN!!!!!! (Note: just kidding again :wink: ). qbeac.
I have tried many times to move physical objects but never made it. My first post to this website (more than 3 years ago) was about how to get enough etheric energy in order to do it. I spent months having 3-4 Obes every night just to try this experiment and was unsuccessful. I kinda doubt people that say they can do it. Just being sincere.
Hi AstralBorn
If what you say is correct then you have a superb chance to beat Randi's $1 million challenge. Why don't you take it up?
Years ago I used to hypnotise my mother and under hypnosis she was highly psychic, ie 100% accurate, and I mean 100%. It went way beyond coincidence. Strange thing is it now seems hard to believe - and I WAS THERE!!!!! My mother died a few years ago, so I can't reproduce this feat, and haven't tried it with anyone else. But I could easily have taken Randi's money. But somehow I suspect the magic would evaporate under Randi's hyper-critical skeptical gaze.
But why don't you give it a try?
Has anyone else ever seen you do this, ie has anyone seen things "move" whilst you influenced them?
To be honest, I see no point on claiming something like this (moving objects) without being able to prove it.
Let's think about it: if you were able to move an object, wouldn't you record it on a VCR to show it to everyone else ? You don't waste your time "proving" it ? Then, don't waste your time "saying" it.
The videos about TK are really easy to fake and by the way, I'm a close up Magician and those things are easy to do even LIVE (http://murphysmagicsupplies.com/catalog/videos/html/threadhead.html).
Let me ask you something: if you grab one of those pens while in the Astral, then go to another room through the wall. Will I see the physical pen actually going through the wall ?
If you can really do that, you should contact James Randi and get the million. If you think that he will screw up things because of his skepticism, you can sell it to Sai Baba (http://skepdic.com/saibaba.html). He really really needs to do a Miracle and will pay anything for it.
Cheers,
Good Luck,
Be Honest,
Be at Peace,
Magic.
Here's the real reason this is all a lie. If moving physical world objects while in OBE (which is really just a lucid dream, stop deluding yourselves) were possible you could just head on down to the National Archives in Washington D.C. and move the Declaration of Independence out of its place. A few plays at this would set up such an outroar that OBE travel would instantly gain world wide eyes.
However, since its all a lie.... ya.
qbeac, I go up to the object and pick it up as though im picking it up normaly... So no, somthing else would not move unless i actuly touch it...
magicmac2000, If I whent through a wall while holding it the pen would hit the wall and I wont be able to go compleatly through... Unless I let go of the pen as the pen can never go though it and while im holding it my hand is to "solid" to go though... So no.... the pen would not go through.
AndrewTheSinger, The reason you fail is because... no matter how much you WANT to... you donot believe you can pick it up... you donot convince yourself your hand wont just go through it...
Draege, If you believe it is simply Lucid Dreaming then why are you here?
Why dont you just stick with lucidity institute...
I have no need for $1,000,000 and nor do I want it...
I have told you it can be done, and that I can do it... Believe what you like.
I donot care if people believe it or not and I have no wish in proving myself to anyone...
I know the truth, But I don't think it is anyones place to go and say people that claim this is lieing without proof.
by all means say you dont believe it... but DONT go calling it a lie!
Quote from: AstralBornqbeac, I go up to the object and pick it up as though im picking it up normaly... So no, somthing else would not move unless i actuly touch it....
Hi AstralBorn, thanks again for your clarification, I am really interested in this subject, I believe it is worth discussing about it.
Hi everybody, I would recommend everybody to take a close look at the document skropenfield indicated in pag. 3, Post #1 of this thread, which I include bellow. But before that, I would like to ask all of you one question:
In the year 2005, how is it possible that these types of studies have not appeared yet in prestigious scientific journals such as Nature, Science, The Lancet, etc.?
- List of scientific journals: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_journals#General_science
This is the document skropenfield indicated in pag. 3, Post #1 of this thread (I have only included here its abstract, the complete document is quite longer):
Some kind of research http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/teleport.pdf
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14. ABSTRACTThis study was tasked with the purpose of collecting information describing the teleportation of material objects, providing a description of teleportation as it occurs in physics, its theoretical and experimental status, and a projection of potential applications. The study also consisted of a search for teleportation phenomena occurring naturally or under laboratory conditions that can be assembled into a model describing the conditions required to accomplish the transfer of objects. This included a review and documentation of quantum teleportation, its theoretical basis, technological development, and its potential applications. The characteristics of teleportation were defined and physical theories were evaluated in terms of their ability to completely describe the phenomena. Contemporary physics, as well as theories that presently challenge the current physics paradigm were investigated. The author identified and proposed two unique physics models for teleportation that are based on the manipulation of either the general relativistic spacetime metric or the spacetime vacuum electromagnetic (zero-point fluctuations) parameters. Naturally occurring anomalous teleportation phenomena that were previously studied by the United States and foreign governments were also documented in the study and are reviewed in the report. The author proposes an additional model for teleportation that is based on a combination of the experimental results from the previous government studies and advanced physics concepts. Numerous recommendations outlining proposals for further theoretical and experimental studies are given in the report. The report also includes an extensive teleportation bibliography.