Just because you project without using your chakras doesnt mean they dont exist. You have far from proven they don't exist. When/if you learn how to manipulate energy, you'll discover that you get certain sensations in certain areas, and they're very consistent. The main chakras can do anything from buzz, feel warm, feel pressure, and I'm sure a lot more. Chakras aren't just a new age trend like I think you're thinking it is. They've been studied for a long long time. But anyways, you don't need to believe me, I just felt like arguing, and I'm jealous of you're natural ability to project, lol.
Thats the thing, this warmth, buzz, pressure, energy. I feel it allover my body equally, I can start it at any one spot on my body, then spread it.
So it doesn't matter where you start the energy.
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When/if you learn how to manipulate energy, you'll discover that you get certain sensations in certain areas, and they're very consistent.
I get that anywhere I choose. Infact I used to mess around with energy building, and got energy so high that I was in pain for many days, couldnt flex arms too, lol. Someone told me about "kundalini" and how mine went violently high or something. (i dont believe in kundalini)
Point is chakras are not enery points, or anything important, rather they are just some belief that tried to contain where you can only acheive this energy.
As i see it, chakras aren't about confining energy. They are merely places where energy can be stored. Much like a house for a family. The house holds the family, but that doesn't mean they can't go outside. Chakras are energy centers, but that doesnt' mean you can't spread the energy around your body. This is exactly what NEW achieves.
If you're stating that chakras don't exist, you'll have to provide some kind of substantial evidence, especially since every other energy worker or projector i've read about, spoken to, or heard from has stated otherwise.
And if you believe in kundalini (not saying you do, but you did mention it) but not chakras, then how do you believe the kundalini energy gets raised? Because the belief about kundalini is that it's rasied once all the chakras are aligned. That's from what i've read anyway.
As I understand it, the chakras are about emotional energy. Each of the 'energy centers' is locationally consistent with a certain emotion, from the basic security of the root chakra on up.
As you explore yourself further Acidmax, and discover more dimensions to your experience, only then will they manifest in your consciousness.
hey Acid, I don't know if you realize this or not, but you are seriously pushing it. The comment you just made has just about every member that read your post a little "steamed" I'm sure.
I'm fine with it...becaue it's what you believe, but I wouldn't be expecting a lot of friends doing things like that.
So... you believe only in that which you have experienced. It's good that you don't just believe in what other people tell you, and questioning things is good. However, before you totally deny the existence of chakras, try putting your opinions aside and working with them for a while.[|)] If nothing happens to convince you, then you are, as always, entitled to your own opinion provided that you don't impose on others.[;)]
acidmax120: my experiments have proven they don't exist.
I can focus on my Pineal glad/third eye and get an OBE everytime. I can focus on an imaginary starwars geek, then get an OBE. I can focus, on nothing and get an OBE.
What you have to do to get an OBE does not prove anything about chakras.
I know something similar to "chakras" exists because I feel it in the places "chakras" are supposed to be. They all feel different. The top ones are less physical.
Acid,
It is an interesting assertion you made according to your proofs. And that is okay for you to have made that decision, just please be aware that we are growing everyday and our concepts change too.
The presently accepted understanding of the 21 chakras within the human body is the result of many thousands of people over a couple of thousand years who have worked directly with them.
Next time you are having an aware OBE, go and look at your own body, look closely at the energy radiating from it, and eventually you will see the centres we call Chakra. Simple isn't it?
Love Always, Tay [:)]
nub?
Like "n uh buh?"
Like "knob" with an "uh" instead of "ah?"
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Originally posted by findtruth
So... you believe only in that which you have experienced. It's good that you don't just believe in what other people tell you, and questioning things is good. However, before you totally deny the existence of chakras, try putting your opinions aside and working with them for a while.[|)] If nothing happens to convince you, then you are, as always, entitled to your own opinion provided that you don't impose on others.[;)]
I did work with the points of the body called "chakras" and they provided the same results with any other part of the body I tried.
Well, for what it's worth...
This is a complicated subject, and I can't even begin to organize my thoughts into something coherent at this point. However...
I can feel "energetic" sensation throughout my body. Sometimes it correlates with breath. In the heart, throat, forehead, sub-navel area, groin creases, thumb joints, etc, etc, etc, etc, there does seem to be more localized, consistent sensation in places. Full-body, or localized, it can get *very* intense, conditions being right. And too many more observations to list...
Emotion, insight, reaction, feeling, passion, pleasure, healing, a wealth of senstion that I'm still exploring -- these I have found in the body. Certain feelings do seem to have certain locations. No magical powers yet...
Now, most importantly,
Tay,
Have you viewed the chakras personally from an obe state?
Mark
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Tay,
Have you viewed the chakras personally from an obe state?
Mark
Hi Mark, good question. I haven't looked at my own when OBE in the same context as my statement to Acid, but have looked at others when I was working with some Pulse members.
Also, about 5 or 6 years ago the Guides were helping to prepare me for a Kundalini raising. It was important for me to see and experience directly my own Chakras to see how they powered the body and regulated various organs etc, as well as clearing and opening them to their maximum size. This was accomplished by an interesting journey within my own body...and that was so cool !
Love Always, Tay.
Chakras are subconscious interpretations of bodily processes. Now, that description is quite vague, as subtle bodily processes below the normal level of consciousness may include every microscopic reaction from pheremones to radio waves - even further into the submicroscopic - and, yes, even further into the quantum.
Is it so hard to believe our consciousness has evolved into focusing awareness of energy around vital parts of our body, and centers of gravity? I say chakras are not doctrines that require belief, insofar as the subconscious does not require belief.
He is right! It's like energy; I tried to make a baal of energy and nothing happened; so energy does not exist... Same with telekinesis, telepathy, astral projection... I tried and it does not work. Now, you could say that I suck at it, but... but... nevermind. [|)][;)]
Oh that's harsh! [:D]
(http://www.k-yoga.com/graphs/chakras.gif)
I remember Casteneda talking about Chakras in one of his books, (sorry can't remember which one)....saying in so many words...that they were a 'mental construct' we create in order to access and transmute energy.
I also have more questions than answers...does everyone have Chakras? Do we create them ourselves? are we born with them?
(http://www.psychic-health-link.com/images/chakras.gif)
In working with them they appear to connect with various elements of our physiology, all our internal organs. Mentally, personally I have found some of them to give me an insight which triggers a new perspective or awareness. Emotional,Spiritual...etc
(http://www.healthy.net/aaabem/EAV/CHINESE.JPG)
To me so far, they seem like a map encompassing all elements of ourselves. The more aware we become, the better map readers we are.
I still don't understand an inkling of these Chakras, but they are interesting to me, so I choose learn about them, just another choice.
I think the sheer amount on information on chakras that goes
back so far, is enough to convince me that chakras exist.
The problem is, will we ever be in a position to "prove" such things to the scientific community.
I think it's just down to belief systems. I wouldn't not believe something, just because I couldn't personally prove it to myself. You need to look at belief as a whole.
There's so much information going back to far on chakras, I've never for one moment considered that they weren't real.
I find it disturbing that people here are saying things like chakras don't exist.
This reminded me of the time I saw my friends 3RD eye when sitting in front of him, both meditating... With my left eye it was dark reddish and with my left eye it was golden... Whatever that means I do not know :)
All I am going to say is either you believe in chakras or you do not.Obviously you chose not to.Anyways you want the other members to prove that chakras DO exist and you may think they cannot come up with a valid or substatial piece of evidence. My question to you AcidMax is can you prove to us they DON'T exist with a good valid and almost proveable reason OTHER than the fact that you can project while focusing on any part of your body? If you can congratulations.If you can't I guess you will have to agree to disagree.
arguing about the existance of chakars is like arguing about the existance of god
you cannot prove/disprove something of that nature.
you can "prove" that people can feel energy within themselves (though if you are incapable of doing so yourself it doesn't do much good and i don't think a majority of the population would have any reason to believe that ANYONE can feel energy just like ANYONE can theoretically OBE) but that is about all you can prove.
Ancient writings about chakras don't have a ton more validity than the Bible does, aside from that no one really wrote about chakras with the intent of forcing people to use them and I can't think of any corrupt way of using teachings of chakra meditation to brainwash people and exert control over them.
What I know personally is I can feel lots of "energy" in my hands, arms, mid torso, and brow. When I hit a vibrational state it's usually in my heart or throat. I can very quickly make my arms feel so heavy and weird like they are completely paralyzed, yet they aren't, and I have no idea why this is and why I cannot so easily cause other "feelings" in body parts with my imagination.
So it would seem that directing a moving focus through an area of your body definitely does something to it somehow that isn't PURELY imaginational, but I don't know if energy is actually flowing through it or not.
I believe they exist because I see the colours sometimes before I project. To me they are blobs of perfect colour, not like dark green or pale yellow, but the full colour, just like they appear in illustrations. Now I saw these colours before I ever heard of chakras, or astral projection, they were just simply 'there' in my vision at times in the vibrational stage.
Since then, I have discovered that the colour seems to relate often to feeling uncomfortable in that particular part of the body, ie getting free in the legs and upper body and being stuck in the stomach and seeing yellow (solar plexus colour) in my vision.
I am certain there is no "chakra joke", clearly they exist in some form and have a purpose of sorts, and I see no reason to think those wise people who have cared to study them deeply enough are wrong about what they are and what they do.
Hehe, yes! Nothing and everything exists. It's up to you to choose. This system is totally based on external manifestation of internal thoughts. It is a reflection of your inner. By "inner" i mean Source.
The Past is just as fluid and dynamic as the Future, it's all in the Now. Your thoughts create everything. Including me.
It's a wonderful system, a great adventure, for all aspects.
go and talk to an acupuncturist they earn a living finding your correct energy points in the 'network, of which the main chakras are the larger ones....
but then again nothing is real....so if its real then its something and so on.....[:P]
I think chakras exist. I can feel mine. Last year, I had never heard of chakras, and I was surprised to find a new body part where solar plexus is in that picture above. It felt like a bump below my skin, and a weird feeling i couldnt describe. Soon after that, I became good at telekinesis.
More recently, I feel some amazing things near the top 2 chakra locations. They felt better than all physical things I've ever felt. It felt like I laughed at something very funny, and it echoed into astral at (almost?) the speed of light, creating a temporal shockwave (like a plane does at the speed of sound). When I do that, all paranormal things become easier.
BillionNamesofGod: I find it disturbing that people here are saying things like chakras don't exist.
I find it disturbing that you find that disturbing. If we dont theorize about things other than our own beliefs, we will become a thought-censoring religion. Maybe they will find something other than chakras that we have misinterpreted as chakras.
I haven't read the replies to this because I don't need to.
All I have to say is that you're stepping on people's beliefs, and from my experience that is a very unwise thing to do. Don't do it [:(!]
I disagree Turkey, I think it is good that someone provokes people, since we all tend to fall into familiar patterns and keep repeating them into an eternal Limbo... That is why we occasionally need someone to provoke us to do something different... ;)
If someone finds this disturbing then you are letting your own ego interfere with you... So basically it is your own fault [xx(]
Children especially tend in a specific age to start arguing against everything you say, so if you act in the same way to them as to this thread, you will probably just get lost in an arguing with them that you will loose, because they are just arguing because of arguing itself :)
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Chakras prove nothing and are nothing but some illogical belief.
The fact that you have the AUDACITY to state - without any proof or fact - of their inexistance, despite being uncovered and explored by the ancient Vedas is remarkable.
Try and open your mind.
Everything exists. Nothing exists. End of story...
Heh, I think this is a chase of whatever works for you. If you don't belief chakras to exist, fine. I think there possibly is some truth to chakras or it would be one of the biggest hoax all times :)
I say possibly because I haven't gone to great lengths to work whit them.
Anyway be careful whit your jugement, playing around a few times whit energy doesn't make you an expert on chakras (if they exist or not), you must understand I don't care either way, belief it or not, but disbelief of chakras on so little experience could make lose some important opportunities.
I have found through personal experience that chakras do seem to exist.when I first started working with them,I was trying to activate the lowest one,when I suddenly saw/heard a very vivid picture of a swirling vortex of red energy.it was sort of 'roaring' (for want of better term).
another time,I activated all the chakras-lowest to highest-and got major activation in the heart region-my heart felt much larger,and felt like it was going to beat right out of my chest.I got up to the brow chakra,and my 3rd eye opened right up![:O]I saw these wierd blue wavy lines,like a was 'seeing'the vibrations.I activated the crown chakra at nearly the same time as the brow,and left my body,and floated around the room!!
I couldn't get away from my body,and I felt the very strong pull back to it (this is why I like to 'shoot' myself out of my body when I can).I was having vision and movement problems,being so close to the physical body,so I went back into it.
I've been getting lazy for the past 2 years or so,about 'clearing the cobwebs',so I haven't had any obe's, but I've just started again,and use hemi-sync to propel the body into trance fatster than usual.
I keep everyone posted as to what happens[:)]
Hey Jason!
How far do the blue lines appear? Because I can see some light blue waves moving if I stare long enough on some place. Usually I see them sprout up from trees into the air... Was wondering if that was the same....
in chine people use chakras to heal the body, you know... they put some strange things in the skin, needles, oils... whatever, and they put them in special parts of the body.
why not asking if telekenisis is true, that someone could make a video and show if it is true
I don't think it's the same thing...
but, I see those too![:P]
when I was a kid,I asked my mom "what are those lines all over the place?".She said "what 'lines'?!".I never brought it up again,cause I wierded her out![:D]
I see them sprouting from trees usually,and they go up into the air as far as I can follow them.sometimes,if I concentrate,I can see other things, like 'air disturbances',or dark areas,or shimmering waves coming off trees,moving up into the sky around trees.I can also sometimes tell if a tree is alive or dead,if it has rings of energy coming up the trunk from the ground or not.I have to be in the proper 'state of mind' to be able to do some of those things-usually it's easier if I've been walking in the woods off of the trail for a while,just kind of wandering,and my mind is calm.
The brow chakra lines I descibed in my last post appeared all across my field of vision-I couldn't see anything else.It's not the same thing,but it's very interesting that you would bring up the thing about lines sprouting from trees.I've never heard of anyone else who saw that stuff,and I don't understand what they are.some kind of auric vision no doubt.
Hey Jason
Interesting stuff! I read a book "The secret Life of Nature" were people describe that they see fairies, brownies, spirits and other creatures. Did you ever see something like that?
hello,
i haven't read everyone's reply to this, so someone might have already pointed this out. if so, my apologies.
but one possible reason why acidmax can feel chakra energy everywhere in his body equally is because there are way, way more than 7, or i believe i've read someone say 21. there are the 7 main chakras, but the vedas (if you don't know, this is the ancient indian texts that discribe the chakras, among other things, like medical systems, the science of God-union, self-realization, etc.) talk about there being over 7200 chakras throughout the body. also, if you take into account the meridians, and acupressure points of the taoist explination of the body, there is another explination of the energy flow throughout the body.
i don't expect this to convince acidmax of anything. the initial post seems like a very confrontational way of stirring up a flame war. but i did want to put that out there for anyone who might be discouraged in their search by this type of posturing. as a lot of others have said, belief in chakras is not nessicary. this is true, and personal proof, and irrefutable proof are two completely different things. if i have proven to myself that i am green with pink polka dots, it doesn't mean that anyone else will see me as green with pink polka dots. they might, but it is immaterial to me and my belief. and my belief is immaterial to the truth. the truth may be that i am in fact green with pink polka dots, and no one else is perceptive enough to see it. or i might be crazy, and just think that i'm green with pink polka dots. whatever the case, one person's perception does not constitute absolute proof. there is not a way, with the technology we have right now to prove or disprove the existence of any of the chakras (at least not to my knowlege). this basically renders the discussion of their existence or non existence to be irrelivant. give it a try, if you can find something out for yourself, great. if not, it doesn't mean that you have proven anything other than you didn't find anything.
anyway, that's my two cents.
tombodenmann-I haven't seen anything like that so far,though that would be really cool.I've heard that in england,along the 'ley lines',at centres where they connect it might be possible to see that stuff,due to natural doorways to the astral planes,where those types of thoughtforms spring into existance.
Its funny how some people think they are more intelligent when they are sceptic to these things.
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What makes you think you exist?
Because you know right!?
You live it, you breath it.
What makes you think some parts of the universe dont exist just because you dont know about them!?
Everything exists, its just a matter of focus.
A user on a computer doesnt have to learn everything about the computer to operate it, it works almost automatically.
You press a key and you get a result on the screen.
Now, there are some people that wants to find out the mechanics about how these things work. So they look more closely, study information about it.
Its the same with the physical world, some wants to find out more.
Obviously you dont!
Thats your choice!
But dont come here and think you know it all!
Personally..... i think you are a n00b on reality!
I can't believe nobodies mentioned this yet.....
The term "chakra" is originally from Sanskrit and means "wheel".
Why?
Because thats what they LOOK like!
Also the fact that it is a Sanskrit term should give you some indication of just how long humans have known about the chakras.
The chakras, or energery centers, of the human body are called "wheels" because people who are capable of seeing the human energy body, capable of seeing auras, see the primary chakras in particular as being spinning wheels of different coloured light. And that's exactly what brought the term as we know it about.
As to why then it has not yet been quantified or proven by science, well, science is still catching up with people who have the ability to see the energy body. To date, with a fairly new medical imaging machine called a SQUID (Supercoductive QUantum Imaging Device), doctors have now found that the human energy field, the aura, does actually exist, though the SQUID is is only able to measure this field on a cellular level.
Ignore Kirlian photography or "aura cameras", they only produce an interpreted picture based on the skins electro-galvanic response (a measurement of the skins resistance and capacitance which can vary deending on health or stress levels).
Give it time though. Now that the SQUID exists, it will probably not be long before medical science is able to actually measure the chakras, as they're just starting to know what to look for and how to look for it.
Regards,
James.
Someone told me that once you "enable" the third eye, multiple things can happen. Then explained about the other chakras.
Whats funny is that my experiments have proven they don't exist.
I can focus on my Pineal glad/third eye and get an OBE everytime. I can focus on an imaginary starwars geek, then get an OBE. I can focus, on nothing and get an OBE.
Chakras prove nothing and are nothing but some illogical belief.
I suggest that the OBE nubs don't get into the "chakra" joke.
Believe in chakras? Think you can prove something[:D]? Go ahead.