OBE Obstacle

[Zarklon]

I think I'm about where you are , I get to a stage where I can hear voices , usually not much conversation wise but voices nonetheless.  I get the weird sounds also , metallic blinging sounds , popping sounds. I wonder if its the same stage.. it comes sometime after the hypnagogic imagery or sometime in between right ?  I let it slip away but mostof the time I am able to break the trance and wake up when I manage to get to that point .. I dont usually fall asleep after that stage like usual. If you get any help , I'll be monitoring this thread cause I'm not sure what to do either hehe.

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[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by overworked:
Once in this stage, I do not know what to do.  Am I to remain passive, or to try an exit my body?  

When in doubt, ALWAYS remain passive.  That's what I do.  I find that if I remain passive no matter what hypnogogic imagery or sounds I hear, the separation/phasing process will come naturally.

This goes for people who're also trying to separate (via ROPE, rollout method, etc).  If you find that you can only get halfway 'out,' just relax INTO the sensations and they will gradually lift you out almost effortlessly.

Sometimes, we try to struggle and do everything ourselves, like roller skating with our foot pressed on the rubber stopper.  Just relax and you'll find that half the things you're fighting are not the problem.



Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[fURIX]

I always get the metalic blinging sounds when I leave my body. This always happens during the falling(exit)-phase. I agree with Jeff, I think you should just let things happen. Keep on breathing the way you are doing on that point and dont try to pay to much attention. Just let it flow. When you get out THEN rais your attention, and you will be amazed how real everything is http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

[overworked]

Jeff,

As always, thanks for your insight it is greatly appreciated and has helped me thus far.  I have to say that the talking/screaming was quite amazing.  Disturbing to some degree, but quite clear.  I remember first entering this state, and someone yelling my name and asking what I'm doing here.  I was 100% conscious of what was going on.  I'll remain passive next time, and see where it gets me.  I wasn't sure when to use the exit routine.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by overworked:
Jeff,

As always, thanks for your insight it is greatly appreciated and has helped me thus far.  I have to say that the talking/screaming was quite amazing.  Disturbing to some degree, but quite clear.  I remember first entering this state, and someone yelling my name and asking what I'm doing here.  I was 100% conscious of what was going on.  I'll remain passive next time, and see where it gets me.  I wasn't sure when to use the exit routine.

It can be tough, but now that you consciously know to remain calm, it should be much easier for you.

There have been a couple of times when, during the separation process, I would find myself in this black void and hear horrible screams.  I tell ya, it scared the astral poop out of me.

But when this happens, I simply remain calm and either one of two things happen:

1) The noises (or other disturbing things) cease
2) My heart beats too fast and I lose control!

Anyway, best of luck, my friend.


Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[overworked]

All,

I appreciate all the help that I have received, and have had a couple of OBEs over the last 6 months.  I have one question that I would be very happy if someone could provide advice on.  Multiple times I have made it to a trance like stage, imagery, etc. I then move to a strange state where I hear metallic chimes.  Last night I heard metallic chimes, screaming, and a man speaking in the clearest voice I have ever heard reciting something.  I tried not to focus on what he was saying, but it sounded as if it was dolby surround sound and almost as if he was reading.  It was a constant talk.

Once in this stage, I do not know what to do.  Am I to remain passive, or to try an exit my body?  This is the 3rd time I've been in this state only to let it slip away.  I am able to maintain this state longer, but not sure what to do.

As always your help is greatly appreciated.