Conscious exit = VIOLENCE!

[holy reality]

stop doing it and check your pulse, the heart chakra feels much different than the actual heart beat...

sometimes when i try to enter a trance my heartbeat gets high and kind of hurts...

and i check my pulse so I know it's real too...

I don't know what to say except that REM is stressful on the body and elevated heart rate is to be expected, so...  it could be normal. Do what you think you should do, if you feel like continuing and you aren't too worried if you happen to die (i really highly doubt this unless you have heart problems) then go on, if you are worried, then stop and try to confirm whether you were really feeling your heart.

My first few projections my throat was pulsating and I thought I was choking to death and once I thought I had a nosebleed that I was about to inhale and choke on... so hallucinations are normal, but you should be able to tell after doing it a few times whether it is real or not.

As for the REM thing some people will say you don't project in REM, and I disagree, it's the only way I can project, and REM itself denotes physical paralysis which is necessary (for me) to leave in the first place.

[mikeman]

Wow, so you think rapid eye movement could be a cause. I hope the symptoms reduce as time goes on and with future conscious exits. Thanks for your help [], ill start by taking my pulse when it happens next. I took my pulse last time simply by feeling the heart beat in my chest since it was so pronounced, but I guess this probably isnt an accurate measure as I could be feeling the heart chakra pulsating (is that right??). Also, I dont know much about REM so ill delve into that and throw a few web searches into the mix to see what I can find...

Mikeman

[Nagual]

Where you dieing?  Or were you just thinking you were dieing?
Many people, me included, experienced the same things and... we are still alive! [|)]
So, just enjoy the ride! []

[mikeman]

Excellent! Ill just push through it. Thanks guys!

[mikeman]

Although I have had quitea few projections, none of them have been conscious in that i sit down and decide to project. When I attempt this and enter the trance state, my breathing and heart beat become so strong and deep that I feel like I am about to die! My heart feels like it is working too hard...[B)]

Robert Bruce in Astral Dynamics suggests that this is not actually a physical sensation, but is the projected double trying to raise enough energy to exit...nonetheless, I still feel like I am physically going to die!!

Does anyone have any input as to this being a physical or energy-body sensation??

Wanting to live,

Mikeman