cool experience/concerns - interested in hearing other peoples insights/advice

[Synune]

Hello,

just thought I would share this morning's OBE. Unfortunately, I did not completely leave my body, but it was really cool having my spirit hand directly above me, being able to clench and see my "other hand" It went right through the blanket which felt like passing through water. What was interesting was how short it lasted but how at a certain point, I was both conscious of my physical hand and my spirit hand, although the non-physical one was most pronounced and in control. What was odd, was that when I started to wake up and open my eyes, I looked over at where my astral arm was and it must have been my mind creating an illusion-- but for a moment I saw half an arm with no hand. And then I closed my eye and reopened it and nothing was there, my real arm had been laying down flat the entire time. It was the most lucid experience I have had even when compared to full OBE's. The one thing I do not like about inducing OBE's is the nausea I feel when I wake up after. It's like I feel weak and sick as if my reality is caught in between the physical and a part of my soul is missing. And If I go back to sleep and try again, what I experience is a much easier slipping out.

My hypothesis is that I am inducing the experience too fast, that I am not allowing my astral body enough time to accumulate the energy it needs. I almost have it down to a science. I find it very easy to slip out, but difficult to maintain that state without waking up. Perhaps I need to spend a drop more time allowing my body to slowly figure things out. I typically induce the experience from my head and hands first. For some reason this morning I could not get my body to leave. But at one point I felt my astral self sinking into the mattress. I often sink instead of rise which kind of scares me.

I'm not a religious person per se and don't necessarily believe in a hell, but the thought of sinking endlessly below me is psychologically scary. It makes me wonder where I will end up. I've had many experiences where I am whisked and usually do not have control over my astral entity. Like I traveling through a vortex of some kind. I also have trouble seeing often, but when I do it is the most vivid experience.

I have had a few experiences in what I believe to be China. I know it is funny, but I wholeheartedly believe they were OBE's and not just lucid dreams. Crazy....

I guess my question to others is: Do other people sometimes feel out of sorts or uncomfortable after the OBE? And how long does it take most of you to achieve this? Should I be building more energy? Usually I feel as though i am summoning a barrier around me, raising my electricity, and I hear I high pitched sound in my ears accompanied by a very quick lift off, but I almost never have control. I've done this enough time where I'd like to take my OBE's to the next level. i want to be able to walk around and really explore the world/astral....

Suggestions are welcome.

[Greytraveller]

Hallo Synune

You just experienced a partial OBE. So you were either just lacking enough energy to completely separate the astral/ethereal body from the physical. Or else you did rush things a bit and maybe got somewhat excited and that aborted the full projection.
The best advice is to do whatever feels best for you. Maybe try another separation technique. Maybe be more deliberate during the separation process, take some more time, don't be in such a hurry. Maybe try meditating Before the OBE method and build up energy to use when going OOB. Maybe try all of the above. Whatever it is, find what works best for you.

Good luck 
Grey

[Lexy]

 

[Jilt]

Don't worry about the falling sensation - that is what I have nearly every time I have a wake induced lucid dream if I don't try to have an OOBE by lifting out.

I sometimes see a faint outline of my hand but the fingers tends to melt so it's not unusual to see unformed bits.

If you don't see anything but black/dark gray when you separate that's normal at first, if you say "vision now" that tends to help.

I always feel great after an OOBE, like I've just awoken from a really deep sleep, so your body will get used to it if you're feeling discomfort now. It's like training for a sport, your senses and body adapt over time.

[djed]

Hi Synune, it looks as though you've got it all together and ready to have OOBE regularly.
You have to let go and don't try to be in control, just trust the process and you will be ok.
Sometimes you will be taken by a wind, other times you can be in the void, but its all good.
Read the posts on this website, there is a wealth of experience to add to your knowledge about this exciting realization.
Good travels, djed 

[Lizelle]

If you don't see anything but black/dark gray when you separate that's normal at first, if you say "vision now" that tends to help.

OK this is a dumb question, but are you supposed to keep your eyes closed while/after separating? I suppose I mean both physical & astral body. I had assumed one's physical eyes were closed while meditating/relaxing (especially at night). So then do you "open" them after separation? Or is it like seeing through eyelids?

[Xanth]

OK this is a dumb question, but are you supposed to keep your eyes closed while/after separating? I suppose I mean both physical & astral body. I had assumed one's physical eyes were closed while meditating/relaxing (especially at night). So then do you "open" them after separation? Or is it like seeing through eyelids?

It's very hard (I'd say almost impossible) to project with your physical eyes open.
The point of projecting is to remove yourself from this physical reality... and doing that while receiving a constant stream of visual data is quite distracting.

You keep your physical eyes closed. 
When you "separate"... you're using your non-physical senses.

[Jilt]

When I first had OOBEs I didn't see consistently so I would open my 'astral eyes' but sometimes that action would wake me up so I just concentrated on seeing or said "clarity now" or "vision now" and that seemed to bring on sight. Now I see automatically without effort however sometimes I skip the 'see the room' phase and go directly to the black limbo world so I just have to wait a little while till things appear.

For whatever it's worth, when I lift off I immediately fly through my window which takes me to the intermediary black stage since I don't like staying  close to my body (I tend to get sucked back in or run into lower astrals). Time is of the essence when you're out of body so I like to get to the good stuff as soon as possible.

[Synune]

Thanks for all of the good advice!

Cheers!

[djed]

@Lizelle

Or is it like seeing through eyelids?

One morning I was lying in bed, on my side after an OOB, still in a dreamy state, with my eyes closed, just the early morning light coming through the curtains and I realized I could see the shape of a coffee mug and a couple of books on my bedside table. The image was a dim yellow color. This was the first time I knew it was possible to see through closed eyelids.

[ether2]

OK this is a dumb question, but are you supposed to keep your eyes closed while/after separating? I suppose I mean both physical & astral body. I had assumed one's physical eyes were closed while meditating/relaxing (especially at night). So then do you "open" them after separation? Or is it like seeing through eyelids?

after practise ya can OBe/AP with eyes open
i can driveing a car at around 100/110 km/h OBe my longest is over 5 seconds, my highest speed is 135 km/h OBe half a second maybe not long, AP around 2 seconds at around 100 km/h obviously eyes are open and in a full conscious state of both physical and OBe/AP consciousness aware of all my actions in OBe/AP and physical state...hard, but easy after awhile

good luck

love all

[djed]

Time is of the essence when you're out of body so I like to get to the good stuff as soon as possible.

I like this ! 

after practise ya can OBe/AP with eyes open
i can driveing a car at around 100/110 km/h OBe my longest is over 5 seconds, my highest speed is 135 km/h OBe half a second maybe not long, AP around 2 seconds at around 100 km/h obviously eyes are open and in a full conscious state of both physical and OBe/AP consciousness aware of all my actions in OBe/AP and physical state...hard, but easy after awhile

@ether2, you scare me man, I hope you are not driving on my roads, there are enough mad drivers here!

[ether2]

@ether2, you scare me man, I hope you are not driving on my roads, there are enough mad drivers here!

safety first man... would'nt doit otherwise

*Edit* for some reason it posted by itself before i finished

good luck

love all

[Summerlander]

You experienced a phantom arm, Synune. This sometimes can lead to a Mode 1 OOBE, a projection which is seemingly in the physical realm...hence the reason why the 'thought body' that belongs to the metaphysical frequency is not fully manifest and you only get the shadowy/transparent limbs.

Here's my view:

Mode 1 OOBEs = Here-Now Projections or RTZ; Locale I; Remote viewing may use this mode of consciousness.
Mode 2 OOBEs = Metaphysical realm projections (astral projection); Locale II; Lucid/non-lucid dreaming may use this mode of consciousness.

Like Robert Monroe and many others, I've also made these distinctions. Still, I wouldn't claim with 100% certainty that Mode 1 OOBEs really do take place in the physical realm. One theory goes that it is a plane of existence which lies closer to physical reality than the astral plane. Another theory would be that you never really leave the body, it is all illusions created by the brain, and that, while Mode 2 OOBEs are a product of abundant activity in the right hemisphere of the brain...Mode 1 OOBEs would be a product of the left hemisphere and hence the reason why they are 'more true to life' so to speak. This latest view comes from this:

www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/ub..._brain/Behavior.html

"Split-brain patients have also taught us about dreaming. Scientists had hypothesized that dreaming is a right hemisphere activity, but they found that split brain patients do report dreaming. They found, therefore, that the left hemisphere must have some access to dream material. What was most interesting was the actual content of the dreams of the split-brain patients. Klaus Hoppe, a psychoanalyst, analyzed the dreams of twelve patients. He found that the dreams were not like the dreams of most normal people. " The content of the dreams reflected reality, affect, and drives. even in the more elaborate dream, there was a remarkable lack of distortion of latent dream thoughts. The findings show that the left hemisphere alone is able to produce dreams...Patients after commisurotomy reveal a paucity of dreams, fantasies, and symbols. Their dreams lack the characteristics of dream work; their fantasies are unimaginative, utilitarian, and tied to reality; their symbolization is concretistic, discursive, and rigid." (Segalowitz)"


Btw, is this more or less what you saw?

[Jilt]

This morning while projecting from lying on my side I saw my phantom arm lift and then the view switched so that I saw the phantom arm lifting from my body from an opposite angle across the room (which means I was still in my body when I saw the across the room view which wouldn't be possible).

More and more I'm thinking that anything I'm seeing in Mode 1 or any mode isn't reality but my brain trying to make sense of the separation process. This explains why sometimes I don't see myself lying in bed but just my husband, plus other reality 'errors'.

[Summerlander]

Yes...inaccurate expectations...maybe. On the other hand, rather than being all in the brain (and let's not forget that this too is theoretical), it could be that we really tune into a different frequency of reality, or 'unborn reality', and what we see are possibilities that have not manifested in our physical universe. This would explain why, mainly in Mode 2 projections, the reality we encounter behaves very much like the quantum world...as though our observation plays a role in what manifests.

This is most noticeable in dreams when we shift our attention from something only to find that things have changed when we look back at them. It's like things there behave on this principle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

Another way of looking at it, in an attempt to explain why things in that altered state behave more according to 'quantum logic' rather than human logic, is by surmising that our experiences are products of quantum mechanical brain functions. This does not rule out telepathic OOBEs in any way! In fact, it would support it on the quantum entanglement principle. Our minds could be entangled in many ways on that level...

One conclusion we can draw from this is that separation is illusory in both Modes and that we don't have to go anywhere to obtain information because we are already everywhere. It's all about focus. We are part of the whole. We are the whole. We are everywhere and nowhere just like the electron or the photon can behave as both a wave and a particle. It can be whatever you want it to be...

[Jilt]

Yes, and thanks for the link, this is one of the better explanations of the double slit experiment.

Rather than seeing my Mode 1 experiences as inaccurate you could be right that we just have greater awareness (i.e. linked into the mainframe vs. an individual computer) in this state so seeing myself from two different vantage points would be possible without the limitation of being an individual point of consciousness.

If you choose to think this way it's easier to accept the amazing things you experience in the astral because they're not being generated solely from your own consciousness but you're allowing yourself to access the larger You (which would explain why I can hear/see original symphonies, poems, movies which I know I don't have the talent to create on my own).

[Summerlander]

Exactly! It could all be one big network that connects us all!

This is another link which is somewhat relevant in that the brain could be an amazing tool that we use to receive and transmit information. So, rather than OOBEs originating solely in the brain, they could actually be products of received data:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/dmt_the_spirit_molecule-t33244.0.html

[Synune]

You experienced a phantom arm, Synune. This sometimes can lead to a Mode 1 OOBE, a projection which is seemingly in the physical realm...hence the reason why the 'thought body' that belongs to the metaphysical frequency is not fully manifest and you only get the shadowy/transparent limbs.

Here's my view:

Mode 1 OOBEs = Here-Now Projections or RTZ; Locale I; Remote viewing may use this mode of consciousness.
Mode 2 OOBEs = Metaphysical realm projections (astral projection); Locale II; Lucid/non-lucid dreaming may use this mode of consciousness.

Like Robert Monroe and many others, I've also made these distinctions. Still, I wouldn't claim with 100% certainty that Mode 1 OOBEs really do take place in the physical realm. One theory goes that it is a plane of existence which lies closer to physical reality than the astral plane. Another theory would be that you never really leave the body, it is all illusions created by the brain, and that, while Mode 2 OOBEs are a product of abundant activity in the right hemisphere of the brain...Mode 1 OOBEs would be a product of the left hemisphere and hence the reason why they are 'more true to life' so to speak. This latest view comes from this:

www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/ub..._brain/Behavior.html

"Split-brain patients have also taught us about dreaming. Scientists had hypothesized that dreaming is a right hemisphere activity, but they found that split brain patients do report dreaming. They found, therefore, that the left hemisphere must have some access to dream material. What was most interesting was the actual content of the dreams of the split-brain patients. Klaus Hoppe, a psychoanalyst, analyzed the dreams of twelve patients. He found that the dreams were not like the dreams of most normal people. " The content of the dreams reflected reality, affect, and drives. even in the more elaborate dream, there was a remarkable lack of distortion of latent dream thoughts. The findings show that the left hemisphere alone is able to produce dreams...Patients after commisurotomy reveal a paucity of dreams, fantasies, and symbols. Their dreams lack the characteristics of dream work; their fantasies are unimaginative, utilitarian, and tied to reality; their symbolization is concretistic, discursive, and rigid." (Segalowitz)"


Btw, is this more or less what you saw?

Wow! That is sort of what I saw except for some reason, my hand was missing. I could feel it and clench my shadow fists.  Very wierd....

[Synune]

Yes, and thanks for the link, this is one of the better explanations of the double slit experiment.

Rather than seeing my Mode 1 experiences as inaccurate you could be right that we just have greater awareness (i.e. linked into the mainframe vs. an individual computer) in this state so seeing myself from two different vantage points would be possible without the limitation of being an individual point of consciousness.

If you choose to think this way it's easier to accept the amazing things you experience in the astral because they're not being generated solely from your own consciousness but you're allowing yourself to access the larger You (which would explain why I can hear/see original symphonies, poems, movies which I know I don't have the talent to create on my own).

This makes sense and is sort of what I think...I think what happened was that I was waking out of an OBE, and my logical awareness of my physical self filled in the gaps. Very strange... But i've never had such a real physical manifestation before where I could literally move my finger tips and clench my phantom fist.

[Pauli2]

Yes, and thanks for the link, this is one of the better explanations of the double slit experiment.

But it's wrong.

The video is wrong when it comes to the single slit experiment!

Single slit diffraction of water waves are NOT the same as single slit diffraction of light (or even electrons).

In this (poor quality) video at 5:39 - 5:53 a boy shows a picture of a single slit diffraction of light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-q8_4UbmpI


Light diffracts even in single slits!

Same goes for electrons. You don't need two slits. One slit is enough to hit the quantum paradox.
This even goes for sending one electron at-a-time, through the single slit. Reason is that the
electron "floats out" due to a still unknown phenomena. Put a detector at the single slit and
detect the electron, you force the electron to exchange a photon, and thereby defining itself
as a particle and not as a quantum wave.

[Xanth]

Actually, Pauli, you're wrong.  You're misinterpreting the information that you're being shown.

What they're measuring is the "bright" spot... in the point of your video (5:39 - 5:53), the point is the "bright" middle spot, which is the "peak" of the waves.  Just a single peak behind a single slit.  That's the point, not the rest of the pattern.  Just the peaks.

The Dr Quantum video is 100% accurate.

I don't think a diffraction pattern and interference pattern are the same thing, I'm sure someone will correct me otherwise.  That's probably where your confusion comes from.

[Summerlander]

LOL! Indeed he misinterpreted the info. I was about to ask what drugs he was on. Watch the video properly, Pauli2.

[Pauli2]

Edit: Ok, I was wrong. I have mixed up interference and diffraction.

[Summerlander]

It's an honest mistake Pauli2. I've made similar mistakes before. It doesn't matter. By the way, isn't it weird that observation seems to play a role in the outcomes?