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beavis · July 20, 2003, 09:33:24

No the problem is to stay out longer. If you hear a tv turn on you might come back.

fredhedd · July 20, 2003, 13:27:59

everyone here is pretty much under the assumption that it's impossible to be locked out of your body. robert bruce wrote about it in his book, astral dynamics. usually there is difficulty making the experience last. the slightest thought about your physical body will bring you back to it.

beavis · July 20, 2003, 13:42:04

Even if you were locked out (which I've never heard of and think is nearly impossible) you would have more fun there than on earth.

Frère · July 20, 2003, 14:46:06

That's where you are wrong, fun is not the point, there, the point is more about what your task is, and what kind of things you actually HAVE to do on earth... The only interest in OBE is to be able to find there some new way of being on earth, being locked out would mean loose much more than you seem to realise.

Squeek · July 20, 2003, 15:23:46

It doesn't necessarily have to be for a reason at all. Many people simply use it for fun (I know I will...If I ever succeed :p) There may be reason behind it, there may not be. It's up to you.

~Squeek

Frère · July 20, 2003, 15:38:11

Yes squeek, sure, I have no doubt about that, but beavis doesnt know that if his life on earth is so difficult it's not because he can't fly, but because he didn't understand the point in being made of flesh and blood. see?

Frère · July 20, 2003, 17:22:05

Thank you pml-online I will make my friend read your post, I think she is more concerned though in helping people in the physical... she told me "I want to stay on earth, all this things produce nothing tangible, I want to blossom on earth, not vanish in higher planes"

But lately she dreamed about her gardian angel or spiritual guide if you prefer, and realised she had some friend in invisible worlds... I might see her before the end of the month, and mabe we will have an occasion to talk about this..

beavis · July 20, 2003, 20:37:50

Frere "That's where you are wrong, fun is not the point, there, the point is more about what your task is, and what kind of things you actually HAVE to do on earth..."

Why isnt fun one of the points? I dont HAVE to do anything. I choose to remain on earth. I'm here to learn about time, logic, and a few other things probably, most of which I've already done.

"The only interest in OBE is to be able to find there some new way of being on earth,"

I am interested in learning everything available to learn from OBE, including the parts that are just for fun, and stuff to be used on earth.

"being locked out would mean loose much more than you seem to realise."

I could just as easily be struck by lightning for the same result. From an overhead view, it doesnt matter from what point in spacetime you exit. They all lead to generally the same place. If more needed to be done, an other incarnation can do that, but I dont think I'll need one.

Forgotten Flame 13 · July 20, 2003, 21:08:01

I must agree with beavis. There is many points to astral projection. Obviously it's different for every person. For some it could be to have fun, others might on spiritual enlightment, and some might just be bored and can't find anything to do so they feel like doing this. [}:)] Ha!

Frère · July 21, 2003, 07:48:43

beavis, I'm happy to learn that you are on earth to learn about time and logic, but if you are still not locked out, or struck by lightening, it's obviously because, first you have time left, and still did not spoil the whole of it, secondly you have probably more to do on earth that just be happy about havING learned logic and time... You have obviously missed some point in why OBE is granted to you... anyway I agree that you have full right not knowing all this, and also, I agree that you might just have fun, because after all, having fun, is also one of the important things man must do. and on top of that you probably have fun in obe because most of the time you ARE heavy... by the way, this is the first time I read a reply by you which is not a stupid joke or something useless, congratulations!

beavis · July 21, 2003, 10:00:30

"you have time left"

until the moment there is no time left, which could come at any time. I refuse to be obsessed with it. If something screwed up did happen in astral, excrement happens, so what.

"You have obviously missed some point in why OBE is granted to you..."

It was not granted. It is my natural ability as a spirit.

"this is the first time I read a reply by you which is not a stupid joke or something useless, congratulations!"

Read my replies more carefully. The truth is weirder than you think.

Frère · July 21, 2003, 10:27:18

quote:
Originally posted by beavis

Read my replies more carefully. The truth is weirder than you think.

I am sure of that, thanks that you remind me, I'll try read you better... remember your spirit has produced a body, for some purpose I guess... and apparently still valid!

Frère · July 21, 2003, 15:21:30

I just had my friend on the phone, and she says, "after all the ones who might have died during an OBE are maybe registered as natural death, and nobody could verify the real reason of their death"
she also wanted to warn you all and tell you not to "play" with this, it is not a toy she says.

beavis · July 21, 2003, 15:26:55

Speculation. I havent seen any evidence that its dangerous.

Frère · July 21, 2003, 15:42:50

I don't believe it's dangerous, but she does. I'm trying to find here some things to reasure her, see?

jc84corvette · July 21, 2003, 20:59:42

Wouldnt you be worried about the phy. body? Like what ur friends will think?

beavis · July 21, 2003, 21:26:20

If they would deny you the great experience out of body, are they really your friends?

Frère · July 22, 2003, 04:22:43

jc84corvette
Don't understand your question so I might answer the wrong answer.
I am concerned by physical body but I don't think the link between physical and invisible can be broke so easily. And I think adventures in the Astral are as important as adventures in the physical, like for example, crossing the street.

beavis
We are friends because we can exchange our point of view: what's the point in having friends that always agree with you?
Personaly I have never reached the body asleep/mind awake state... and my newbie questions are in other topics.

WalkerInTheWoods · July 22, 2003, 04:34:06

To me it sounds like your friend is afraid of physical death. Maybe she needs to realize that we exist and continue to exist beyond physical death on other planes. So what if your physical body dies while you are out of body? We all die a physical death at some point in time and who is to say when that time is to come. The thing is we go on to other planes. By having OBEs she is only becoming more familar with what life may be like after she physically dies. I would think that the experiences would help her to realize this, but if she is afraid of it, the fear may be blinding her to this. So as others have said, you cannot force her to accept it until she is willing to do so.

Frère · July 22, 2003, 04:45:09

She told me that death doesnt frighten her anymore, since she's had these OBE, but she is much concerned about the role she has to play in physical life, and doesnt want to set a priority to something that is fun, and dangerous relatively to her presence on earth. She has a little girl (6 years) who needs her also, and is really wanting to realise things materially. I don't think she can think right now of a reason why she might take a risk for no practicaly valuable reason.

WalkerInTheWoods · July 22, 2003, 05:12:49

I see. Well if she is open to seeing how safe it is, or even if not, direct her to these forums. I think if she sees that there are people that do it a lot and are fine then she may feel better about it. Really she has a more likely chance of dieing on her way to work or doing any every day thing than being locked out of her body. I can understand her lack of desire to pursue exploring other realms if her interests are on the physical. But she should not be afraid when it happens on its own, for who is she to say where her lessons may need to take place or where she may be needed.

Frère · July 22, 2003, 05:18:07

Thanx fallnangel.
I'm sure this posting is usefull, though I feel like its not complete... is there somebody out there that could express more extensively the idea that one could be needed in other realms aswell?

clandestino · July 22, 2003, 05:53:00

Hi Frere !

quote:
... is there somebody out there that could express more extensively the idea that one could be needed in other realms aswell?

I'm sure this idea could probably be expressed or intimated by a few people around here, but would it be of use to you, just reading a few words of text on a forum ?

I believe you need to learn through experience with regard to OBE. There is a lot of helpful info in books and websites, but experience is a much better teacher. I only say this, because I think that what you are asking in your most recent quote is a complex concept.

If your friend is not interested in pursuing out of body experiences, don't force her ! She'll overcome her fear if she wants to.

Mark

shadowatcher · July 22, 2003, 06:13:24

The astral plane, as a whole, is unexplored, unmapped, and neautral. When you enter it, no promises are made. What you do their is yours and yours alone. Many Methods and approaches are made to enter it, but there is only one astral plane. So, it doesnt matter what you do in the astral plane. Your astral plane body is a free expression of your body. You keep your intelligence and memories, so you should be able to do (whatever) you want to.

kibeginnersnightmare · July 22, 2003, 12:49:47

hi. i am new and my name is keegan.

what is a obe and will some body tell me a couple of cool ki moves.

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