Is it possible to get killed or possessed while out of body if you project and the energy in your spirit body is low?Yes or no? :|
Physically, you can be killed. I've heard that if you are startled awake, that you could have a heart attack or something.. And it's always possible that you could be posessed but it is very very very very very very unlikely. My friend had demons attacking him and such, everytime he left (don't let this scare you, since it is not common AT ALL) and not one posessed his body.
Don't be afraid of the what bad could happen
LET GO of the fear, and trust in your guides, and angels to watch over you.
Quote from: Miraj on May 24, 2008, 19:18:59
Don't be afraid of the what bad could happen
LET GO of the fear, and trust in your guides, and angels to watch over you.
Ok thanks.
I did an informal survey of OBE internet reports a couple of years ago. I found that out of over 4,300 OBE reports only 180 OBE reports (4.1%) included a violent or dangerous encounter with a spirit/discarnate while out of body.
I therefore concluded that there is a minimal chance of danger during an OBE (I have had 3 or 4 vilolent encounters when OOB btw). It is possible yet unlikely (an acceptable risk).
Also I have yet to read a credible report of anybody being possessed while they were having an OBE. Maybe this is possible (I don't entirely dismiss it out of hand) but I have just never read an account of it happening.
Grey
Quote from: Greytraveller on May 24, 2008, 23:01:04
I did an informal survey of OBE internet reports a couple of years ago. I found that out of over 4,300 OBE reports only 180 OBE reports (4.1%) included a violent or dangerous encounter with a spirit/discarnate while out of body.
I therefore concluded that there is a minimal chance of danger during an OBE (I have had 3 or 4 vilolent encounters when OOB btw). It is possible yet unlikely (an acceptable risk).
Also I have yet to read a credible report of anybody being possessed while they were having an OBE. Maybe this is possible (I don't entirely dismiss it out of hand) but I have just never read an account of it happening.
Grey
That's exactly it, majority of people do not have attacks happen to them. Even then, it only takes a simply call to an Archangel, and they will help you out.
when im out of body i always try to make scary looking things come alive so i can slice them apart with a jedi light saber.
Quote from: zorgblar on May 24, 2008, 19:03:11
Is it possible to get killed or possessed while out of body if you project and the energy in your spirit body is low?Yes or no? :|
No silly, when you astral project, you are possessed! lol just kidding......or am i?
Yet, seriously though, I believe that astral projection is a divine experience and angels are involved making the projection happen and you're protected by them. I like to think that it's like you're seeing through angel eyes.
Angels will protect you, but only if you ask. Because we have free will, they can't do anything on their own.
This question is still getting asked once a month I see :-)
-AM
For some reason its the first thing that comes into ones mind when trying to AP. But fear is nothing but a barrier, that is without need.
We project every time we sleep, but may not be aware of it consciously. Do you feel in danger in your dreams? Do you feel like you can be harmed in a dream or do you feel indestructible? Even after a nightmare I wake up intact.
Don
8-)
Dangers are I believe in your fears more than in reality. Then again people tend to pass over the immensity of the world and the various kinds souls that are in it. Possession? Heart attack? Firstly, if you believe it possible, I doubt it highly though. Second, if you have a faint heart, it might be advisable to stir clear of AP. Heart racing from excitement is noted. That can be dangerous for 'some'
One thing, deeper down I'd like to point out. Your opening doors when you do this, and that may be a real danger for someone not prepared to do it. If you believe that this is something from God, I think your are wrong. I think it just part of the Soul Experience. I also believe that most if not all of us AP subconsciously quite a bit throughout our lives. Knowing this, your doing whether you like it or not, likely. Whether you see it as something new is up to you
Doing it awake, aware fully and not sleeping/dreaming at all, that is a bit more rare
Quote from: zorgblar on May 24, 2008, 19:03:11
Is it possible to get killed
You could from your physical body, but projecting wouldn't increase the chances.
Quote from: zorgblar on May 24, 2008, 19:03:11
or possessed while out of body if you project and the energy in your spirit body is low?Yes or no? :|
If you think about it, your chances of being possessed wouldn't be more than they would be if you weren't projecting. Just because your consciousness is in one of your higher bodies doesn't make it easier for some entity to take control of you. The reason I say this is because your higher bodies are always bonded with your physical, when they're inside of the physical, the physical is being a shield to the higher bodies, not vice versa.
Furthermore, if you
were to be in a projection of some sort and an entity was attempting to take over your physical body, your projection would probably end and allow you to fight back physically, but I'd prefer fighting ethereally over physically.
One very important note to add..... New Agers/Wiccans???/some personal spiritualists don't believe in possession. However any hardcoded Catholics/some Eastern Religions/etc... believe in possession and likely should avoid Astral Projection, etc.... However movies are glorified, that is not reality, just T.V.
I think the main point most people miss in regards to the OBE is that the OBE is not something unnatural, it's not some crazy thing you can do and that will threaten your body or mind anymore than riding in a car or reading a book or going on a hike into the mountains.
Can you die while reading a book? Sure, you could get to the climax and get too excited which could cause trigger a pre-existing heart condition! Does this make sense?
Yes..... a amusement park ride is likely as dangerous to your health..... Warrior is right ALTHOUGH:
there are rumors that people with certain mental programming can end up with mental issues from OOBE. i.e. a soldier who has practiced aggressive violent things, a violent soul or corrupt soul, etc... might prefer to stay away from their subconscious mind... I have heard rumours, of side effects to these individuals, i.e. a team of soldiers experimented with some mind altering tapes that were supposed to force an OOBE up in the Shenandoahs.. They ended with mental probs...
I have had extreme nightmares whilst under the influence, but often I overcame them... Literally and figuratively... But I'm no average, and the average humanbeing has more to fear from Smog and likely can expand their consciousness and live longer and better from things like OOBE. :)
There are dangers don't go to where angels fear to tread. Robert Monroe once found himself unable to get back to his body , he came across a barrier of some sort. Like him I once found myself in the body of a strange person who appeared to be locked up in a small room, which only had one window. It was terrifying and I somehow instantly separated from this person and found myself back in my body, which jerked so hard on my return that I lifted off the bed,
You don't go for example exploring deep and dangerous caves alone and inexperienced, you learn all the safety rules first. When first OB you can limit your travels to short distances and times out of body and progress further and further as you gain in confidence.
I have never heard of a person being possessed by an entity while ob but this is a possibility that cannot be discounted , as I seemed to take over the person previously mentioned I of course has no malicious agenda and exited immediately
Alan
Alan
Quote from: Alan McDougall on June 08, 2008, 11:10:02
There are dangers don't go to where angels fear to tread. Robert Monroe once found himself unable to get back to his body , he came across a barrier of some sort. Like him I once found myself in the body of a strange person who appeared to be locked up in a small room, which only had one window. It was terrifying and I somehow instantly separated from this person and found myself back in my body, which jerked so hard on my return that I lifted off the bed,
You don't go for example exploring deep and dangerous caves alone and inexperienced, you learn all the safety rules first. When first OB you can limit your travels to short distances and times out of body and progress further and further as you gain in confidence.
I have never heard of a person being possessed by an entity while ob but this is a possibility that cannot be discounted , as I seemed to take over the person previously mentioned I of course has no malicious agenda and exited immediately
Alan
Alan
Which book does he say this in?I have never read that.
Quote from: zorgblar on June 10, 2008, 16:43:08
Which book does he say this in?I have never read that.
and what were the page numbers?
Heck do you think I am lying and for what purpose, Bob Monroe was only a little older than me, I read this account over 30 years ago.
Googol it and you will find I am telling the truth
Is it the time when Robert got caught up in some PowerLines? He brought up something in the electromagentic field or whatever might have interfered with his travels and caught him? I vaguely recall
I use to read 30 minutes of him before going under, and before bed, etc... Very helpful, and sets the mine
Zorgblar
I surfed the net and came up with the following
Questions and Answers
Out-of-Body Experiences may be a two edged sword, but this in no way should be construed as justification for discounting them. Consider, for example, the possibilities generated by Robert Monroe's answers to several questions related to OBEs (as discussed in his book, Far Journeys.)
1. Can anyone go out of body? 25% have already reported an OBE, and Robert Monroe claims that with the appropriate psychological and/or philosophic preparation, anyone can consciously move into an out-of-body state.
2. Can you get back into the wrong physical body? Robert Monroe claims he has in fact entered the wrong body before. He now suggests using a part of your physical body—such as your big toe—as a homing device by attempting to wiggle it before reentering.
3. Can someone get into your body? Robert Monroe believes there is no more possibility of this taking place than there would be during normal sleep. Furthermore, he notes that in 15 years of research there have been no incidents which could be remotely thought of as possession or anything destructive or uncontrollable. However, there is other evidence which suggests the occurrence may be surprisingly common (see Chapter X), but definitely not a good idea!! (Mr. Monroe is also contradicting himself between questions 2 and 3.)
4. Can you meet animals in the OBE state? Again Monroe has reported encountering domestic cats, including three cats which were favorites of his and which had died during the past three years.
5. Can you go anywhere? Apparently yes, as long as you have a specific address or identification.
6. Can you go to a particular person? This is supposedly easier than a place, particularly if you are close to that person emotionally.
7. Can you go forward and backward in time? According to Monroe, the answer is yes, because of the lack of time-space constraints while in the out-of-body state. However, Monroe warns that it is necessary to have a strong identification of your return location, which of course, must include a specific time. Monroe suggests you avoid "long" excursions until you have practiced near-time runs. Still others might suggest you first have your head examined.
8. What is the relation of OBEs to reincarnation and karma? OBEs can be thought of as an extension of NDEs. As such there is nothing in OBEs to dispute reincarnation and/or karma. On the other hand, evidence for OBEs can be considered as contributing to the validity of NDEs and thus indirectly supports the theory of reincarnation. There is apparently no OBE evidence to support karma.
9. Can one ascend? Excuse me. I'll ask the question again. If one does not relish the possibility of sufferings the pangs of death, could an out-of-body excursion, followed by a severing of the "silver cord", allow the human soul to ascend to heaven directly and unimpeded by the unpleasant death of the physical body? Oh, that question! As for the answer... Why not?
One other intriguing thought: Robert Monroe, in his book, Journeys Out of the Body, tells of one of his own experiences where he found himself out-of-body in a gray, non-descript place. While there he was accosted by an angry, sarcastic dead man, who demanded to know if Monroe was now ready to learn the secrets of the universe. It seemed as if the man was angry because no one had taken the trouble to tell him, when he was still incarnated.
Maybe it's time to learn to solo.
I will go back and find the link for you later if you are interested
Alan
I don't know how I didn't see this thread before, but I'm starting fresh with these questions:
QuoteZorg wrote:
Is it possible to get killed or possessed while out of body if you project and the energy in your spirit body is low?Yes or no?
No. First of all, when you project what leaves is your conscious awareness. You do not leave your body empty, all that happens is that your personal energy expands and you occupy a different location if it's an RTZ projection. If it's an astral projection there is no personal energy extension, since the energy of the universe is there for your conscious awareness to perceive.
The energy in your spirit body doesn't get low.
If you stay out too long it can be difficult to reintegrate but it's because of your physical body entering into a state of dormancy, and eventually you will reintegrate anyway, as in wake up.
You can't get possessed or anything of the sort, because your body is not left empty, unless you had that sort of problem before you projected.
Remember that dreams are projections; you project every time you sleep. If you were that vulnerable half of us would die or become possessed already, and that hasn't happened yet! That we know of! (JK)
And about being startled awake, that's what they used to say about sleepwalkers, and they've proven that isn't true either.
To die of being startled awake you'd probably have to have some sort of preexisting condition.
There are a great amount of theories and personal beliefs on the topics mentioned.
I firmly believe that anything mentioned here is possible. Will OOBE increase the likelyhood of any of it? I highly doubt that becoming more spiritually in tune or experiencing something of this level will make it more possible, I believe it will make it less possible. Stating that means the more you are 'aware', less likelyhood of possession, misplaced body, death, whatever else is possible.
We are expanding our minds, our consciousness in these things. Narrowmindedness has no room. Openminded souls that will contemplate and study every aspect of what is and what is possible. We all are at a great eve of discovery. Just stick around and watch.
I have left my body hundreds if not thousands of times. I have never had ONE incident of misplacing a body or otherwise. Becoming spiritually in tune does come with risk. Opening up to a spiritual realm where there are new threats and new pathways, does come with risk, but possession is not one I'd even bother considering. The other possibilities is what I would consider. That an evolved conscious spirit, can be open to evil... Channeling or absorbing negative energy that or abusing 'a gift'.............. I'm certain it happens.......... though we are all human and that means were are caught in the rift of Choice/Will/Good-Evil
Be whatever it may
If you want to open yourself to this field, to enhance your life, to experience something that can be mind altering. Go ahead. Although if it's because you're empty, missing something, depressed. I suggest you shut off the other worldly concerns and live your life and find what's worth something there first. Life is every bit as wonderous as OOBE
I suffer from a Energy Condition, in my early experiences with OOBE it actually helped heal it. IRONIC? So it's feesible for me to say that you'll live longer practicing OOBE rather than the risk mentioned here... The Gain? What of that? It is likely that OOBE could have extended my life. I attempted to find synthetic aides to fulfill my energy needs, never worked. Ultimately, I think that this is a Drug-Free, Natural, and very intuitive experience. That as I said before likely most everyone experiences at some point! :)
I'll admit it comes with dangers, but there are methods, techniques, and other things that make safer than crossing the street! Though read, study and learn about these things, all the books are there.