Dealing with powerful spirits here... I need advice, OBE possession?

[Steel Hawk]

Okay...

I've been practicing RTZ / Here-now OBE's now for almost 15 years now... For me, the ability to have an OBE has gone from near impossible to trivial. I feel like I'm barely connected to my body, where I used to get strong lasting vibrations it's now barely noticeable and I drift out with ease.

Now some of you that don't have this ability will think it's some gift, but I don't always want to have an OBE, sometimes I'd like just to go to sleep... Be careful what you wish for 

I've been interacting with Djinn, or bound spirits... one very strong morally questionable spirit in particular lately. It's now coming back to bite me in the butt; the law is the law. I almost used it to gain the love of another, but fell back on the idea the same day -- as trying to make someone love you is black magic and goes against free will -- and always, always, always ends horribly.

Well, she's ticked (the spirit) to some degree... and she's very powerful only respecting those who have greater ability than her own. I made a deal with her and tried to break it off the same day.

It all started last night, as I started to try to go to sleep I began "losing it" meaning I could tell that I was going to pop out of my body without trying. That's when I saw her in the astral, she always appears as a young woman, reddish / blonde short hair, tonight she had a wicked grin on her face and violently pressed up against me.

Some inner voice, some strange urge washed over me that I knew she was trying to possess me, I could see her trying to get inside, her thoughts and intentions came to me in non-verbal communication: She was going to control me as soon as I left my body, I lost consciousness and faded back and forth fighting to stay in and get her out. This went on for some time and every time I would try to fall asleep it would happen again. (Yes even after this I was still trying to fall asleep lol)

I thought about it, how do we know the rarity of OBE possession when if it happened the person possessed wouldn't be around to tell -- maybe that's the true intentions of occult orders and the new age movement, some wicked conspiracy maybe... Suddenly my thoughts on OBEs and astral projection turned into fear, what if she won and did something horrible to my family? How could I risk that?

I grabbed my necklace, hanging from a long black cord, my one hope -- the seal of solomon I keep by my bed. I wrapped the cord around my hand and grasped onto the sigil... and to my surprise it worked and ended the experience entirely.

I'm glad I had that... and it made me seriously think I should get it tattooed somewhere -- maybe half on each forearm like in the movie Constantine. Seroiusly lol...

My little spirit is a bad bad girl, and I can't blame her for wanting to experience life here, she was probably testing me. And may try it again... It's kinda sexy doncha think?

I know this is my own fault, and I'll end up taking some extreme measures to try to prevent it from happening again. But my question is... What do you think? Dealing with a powerful "evil" spirit of this nature how likely is it that I would loose it and she would take over, maybe do some very bad things or just take over my life?

How do we know how often these things happen if they do indeed happen? For if I did lose it last night then I wouldn't be here to tell anyone. And I really fell that I came close to doing just that.

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[Starvingpercussionist]

Wow, I don't know what to say, Hawk. I just want to ask though, have you ever raised your kundalini? It's powerful stuff, that energy. It might help you greatly in the astral.

[Steel Hawk]

Wow, I don't know what to say, Hawk. I just want to ask though, have you ever raised your kundalini? It's powerful stuff, that energy. It might help you greatly in the astral.

Maybe partially? I can't say for sure, I did have a kunddalini raising experience -- felt it running up my spine and ended up subconsciously raising my left hand (like a student does in school) and putting my right hand across my abodmen, crossing my legs and saying "I am Shiva, god of Death". And at that moment I felt what others would describe as a kundalini awakening... but after a few days I didn't really feel different. I've heard it was something that lasted your entire life... I should look into that.

[Everlasting]

Hmm, so she keeps coming back? I have been attacked 3 times at 3 different occations by 3 different spirits, one of them possibly a demon as I felt extreme terror when it was close. I chased them off and I haven't had any more problems.

Maybe you just need to chase her off, the key here is anger, you must be ticked off  and then with force chase her off.

[interception]

Doesn't this sort of thing only happen to you if you really, really weak of mind and energy... basically giving permission to the entity in question to control you.

You don't appear to be close to being that weak Steel Hawk.

[Tayesin]

Hmm, so she keeps coming back? I have been attacked 3 times at 3 different occations by 3 different spirits, one of them possibly a demon as I felt extreme terror when it was close. I chased them off and I haven't had any more problems.

Maybe you just need to chase her off, the key here is anger, you must be ticked off  and then with force chase her off.

The energy of Anger is what they want from you.. to not be Master of yourself but in a reactionary mind-set.

I love them with a capital "L", unconditionally. This begins a change in them and they will quickly weaken and leave you because they have no means to deal with such a strong powerful energy as Unconditional Loving.

I hug them, pour Gold Light out of my heart chakra directly into them and they begin to sparkle before running away. For a more detailed description of how I do this you could read it on my website... it's free, lol... just click on the Darkside and Negs link in the Headlines section.

You too Steel Hawk.

[Starvingpercussionist]

I was wondering, what if you can't give love? 

[iNNERvOYAGER]

This advice from Tayesin was encouraging and helped me turn my thoughts away from a  having a confrontational attitude about negs if I should ever have the experience of an encounter.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/amar_has_a_questionabout_attacks_during_astral_projecton-t28502.0.html;msg233700#msg233700

My first reaction to the discussion of negs, and reading the notes on the Astral Dynamics web site was to be defensive and to envision myself becoming a tornado of knives and razors with pulsing explosions of white hot magma and shockwaves to see if I could "help" the negs with their evolutionary development and to help "weed" out the weak negs, to "help" them.
(to paraphrase the Astral Dynamics explanation of the role that negs have in our spiritual development, to weed out the week among us.)

As if we didn't have enough to worry about in this world without the concept of the neg entity covering minor and major types. In that respect, the major neg is the creator of this physical universe, and that poor looser needs a lot of love. )  Just be happy   

[Tayesin]

I was wondering, what if you can't give love? 

ahhh, now to the tricky bit. Great question Starving.

I always look into them, scan them, and inside there is always some light.. no matter how well they try to hide it from you. Once I see that I feel sorry for them and the feeling just comes up in me. But, when I first started doing this Loving them thing, I had to find a reason to love them.... doesn't matter what the reason is as long as you feel the feeling of Love... so memory can be used to bring the feeling on.

We all have immense reserves of unconditional love within us, we just don't know it's there for us because we have been indoctrinated into other ways of thinking and believing, etc. It is in you Starving, and if for no other reason than to try this for yourself, then.....

when interacting with people you don't like, or have a rocky past with, try to see them as equal souls no matter what they are being in this physical realm.... understand that many people have not experienced Oneness and you will find the feeling will start of its own accord. Once you find the key that unlocks your reserves, you will use this easily whenever you feel the need.

[wind3d]

Some inner voice, some strange urge washed over me that I knew she was trying to possess me, I could see her trying to get inside, her thoughts and intentions came to me in non-verbal communication: She was going to control me as soon as I left my body, I lost consciousness and faded back and forth fighting to stay in and get her out. This went on for some time and every time I would try to fall asleep it would happen again. (Yes even after this I was still trying to fall asleep lol)

Why would any being of a higher energy plane want to come back here to such a low energy and material plane?

[Tayesin]

Why would any being of a higher energy plane want to come back here to such a low energy and material plane?

Wind, you already have done that!

Soul is much higher awareness/energy plane, and the soul you are chose to place a small part of itself here. Why?

Because this place, and all other "places" are chosen for the unique Experiences they provide. Why?

Because the aware universe/god/fred/allah/mary is experiencing itself and what it is capable of, in the same way we humans do while incarnate.

Souls do not perceive things the way we humans do with our very limited awareness and need for Judgments, so soul will choose an experience that we may find horrific, but for the soul it is only a valuable experience... no judgment.

Hope this answers your question.

Be well.

[wind3d]

Wind, you already have done that!

Soul is much higher awareness/energy plane, and the soul you are chose to place a small part of itself here. Why?

Because this place, and all other "places" are chosen for the unique Experiences they provide. Why?

Because the aware universe/god/fred/allah/mary is experiencing itself and what it is capable of, in the same way we humans do while incarnate.

Souls do not perceive things the way we humans do with our very limited awareness and need for Judgments, so soul will choose an experience that we may find horrific, but for the soul it is only a valuable experience... no judgment.

Hope this answers your question.

Be well.

Yes, very insightful! It showed me how much I really am "thinking inside of the box". Gave me great perspective! Thanks

[Th13rteen]

First off,
Steel hawk, please tell me how you got to the point in which you are today. (As in almost constant dissociation with your physical body.) You say, be careful what you wish for, lol I have, for a long time, wished to be at the point in which you are, as far as living with the consequences therein, Ill take my chances  I have been without fear of the unknown for a very long time. Things I used to be afraid of are a thing of the past. The last time ive had a nightmare that scared me must have been around 10 years or so ago, thats as far back as I can remember lol. I feel like I am powerful enough to withstand whatever happens when I get to the point that you are. Maybe thats my downfall lol. We will see... Anyways, secondly, if you do not like the company of discarnate beings, and they make you feel uncomfortable, you can do 2 things. First off, you can dispose of that fear you have, for when you give something fear, you give it control and power over you. Dont you know about negative entities that feed off of fear? Because to them fear is power. The other thing you can do is perform an enochian circle. This simple exercise is from the order of Enoch and according to Engtovo it works. It might also be the best thing for your Djinn, as it will return her to source and s/he can finally find peace... To perform the circle, when an entity comes near you, expand your auric field out enough 5ft to 10ft, enough to engulf said entity and say out loud or mentally "Enochian Circle!". And if the entity is in your field they will become trapped and the grid light workers will come and return the being to source. I have had negative presences around my apartment before, I cant see (yet..) but I know its coming. I feel changes in my body happening every day, and its been not even a month still i started practicing again. This time, its coming faster... When I feel these negative presences, I perform the Enochian Circle ritual and it seems to work every time. Just a thought. 

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I reject your reality and substitute it with my own. -Adam Sessler

[michael156]

Souls do not perceive things the way we humans do with our very limited awareness and need for Judgments, so soul will choose an experience that we may find horrific, but for the soul it is only a valuable experience... no judgment.

So true. I actually came to this conclusion a few days ago when I was contemplating my existence; we need to experience "hell" in order to realise why it is bad and why we should choose "heaven" instead as our desired path.