Delta is OBE

[goingslow]

Thats interesting info and makes sense.  When I was using the delta waves brain sync cd I would wake up and would be startled cus i felt so detached from my body.  Maybe I was detaching from it.. I might try using that one tonight instead of the theta cd.

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

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[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey!

Thank you for sharing with me friend.

I had a block against such technologies, for it seemed that I was 'cheating'- cheating myself out of mastering it on my steam. After reading your reply (Up at this time doing interrupted sleep) I went back to practice, and as sleepy as body was my racing awareness and thoughts was keeping me up. I had a meeting with my helper and it came through that it is like my computer. I don't even like to imagine what it would be like without it- writing my books with paper and ink only. It would be havoc! One mistake and how much would I have to change? What if I wanted to move a paragraph?! [:O] Not to mention the internet. So technology can help, without stealing... whatever... but saves time and stuff.

I've orded me some Brainsync stuff- A delta for projection, a Beta for concentration, and a Alpha for 'what the heck!'. Well. Here's to you. Thank you for sharing goingslow. It's amazing what we can do together. []

Cheers. I'll let you all know how it goes for me.

And I have something else to share on guides that didn't seem to much but as I think about it (and read Cosmic Journeys) I see that it is, or maybe. Your thoughts would be appreciated. I'll write it and come back and edit in the link to here.

Cheers!

[goingslow]

It worked.. using the delta last night! but it wasn't great cus i was low on energy or something... I wasn't able to go anywhere.  Still though, I know which one to use for sleep more now.

The reason I actually started using them wasn't to help me with OBE but to help me with sleep.   I could never sleep at night and ended up taking over the counter sleeping pills for the last year.  They finally made me feel fatigue even during the day so someone bought me the delta cd and it worked.  I use the others for variation but they all work for sleep.

What has amazed me more than anything is the way my intuition really has kicked in with these.  at first I thought intuition was kinda like a lucky guess.. I was always so wrong.. i'd double check things cus i felt they were wrong and they weren't.

Its come on to the point where its a strong physical feeling and its been right each time.  I dont expect it to always be right, but i know the cd's claim to increase this and I know now that they really do.  I was surprised about that more than anything.  Oh and the lucid dreams have increased too.  I dont have a lot of patience.. I know they might be cheating for some things but hey.. Im sleeping now and having LD's 3 times a week.. OBE's more often than before.  I feel theres other things i need to concentrate on anyway with willpower.. (like ego issues) more than OBE's and stuff.

[stephen~]

After reading this thread I just tried a delta setting on the Brainwave Generator, with a binaural beat frequency of 1hz. To my surprise I felt subtle shifting in what I think was my astral body almost immediatly. Frustratingly I was interrupted 3 times by people at the door which kind of put me out of the mood. However those are the most positive results I have had from using it off and on over the last 6 months or so. That's the lowest frequency I've used it at too, so I am going to keep using at delta from now, see what happens.

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey goingslow!

Thank you for sharing your success with the CDs! I'm stoked about getting my CDs. [] I know I'll be like 'whoa.... whoom!!! []

Did you use headphones? What specifically happened in your experience- like a detailed account. []

Take care.

[Noxerus]

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[goingslow]

Id like to try the hemisync cds though but most are pretty expensive.  I got these at the local bookstore

Anyway this morning after I posted one of the above posts it was about 4 am my time.  I often wake up for a while before going back to sleep.  I put in the delta CD and went back to sleep.. i suddenly found myself looking up at my room with various things flying at me.  I realized what was happening (it was a weird trance phenomenon) so i tried to roll over on my side.  

Unlike when I normally roll over on my side my "astral" body was so disconnected from my physical that it rolled over IN my physical which was weird for me.  In other words i was aware of my physical body and my astral so instead of rolling over like i would with my physical it was as if i was going to be facing the back of my head.

Anyway I decided to do it a different way and I willed myself to go to the ceiling "i want to touch the ceiling" believe it or not this often works if im out enough.  And i was further out after this but was hearing a lot of noises and voices etc.  So finally i rolled out again and it worked. It was still dark so i couldnt see anything.. but i wasn't able to fly.. and i had a hard time leaving the room.  There was a while of confusion and me trying to get enough clarity to where i finally realized I need to get up and walk out the door.  

I dont remember much else.. I know i kept trying to fly but couldnt.. and i felt a lot of pressure on my third eye.

LIke i said i didnt do much after getting out.  The important thing to me was the CD did help me to disconnect.  In fact it was a stronger disconnect than i usually have.

Sorry its so rushed but im in a hurry and have to go.  

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey stephen. I would have replied to you the first time, but we must have posted at the same time. Thank you for sharing. []

And to Noxerus. Thank you for sharing, but actually my friend Louis went to a lab, where they hooked him up. He had the mixes of frequencies like you said at first, but THE MOMENT he went OBE ALL of his brainwaves went to Delta. There was nothing else. And MR. Altwater told me the brain wave states for several different states, and all of them were mixed like you say, but for OBE he said Delta, and he didn't say anything else. And they have people hooked up all the time.

And to goingslow. Thank you again for sharing. []

Take care. []

[Nick]

Hi Celestial,

Is the Brain Sync cd that you mention from this website: http://www.brainsync.com/default.asp

I'm always looking for a good cd. Which one did you get that has the delta on it?  I've been using the awakened minds one which is nice, but like to experiment, if you know what I mean.

Very best,

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Nick. []

Sure. []

I ordered the Sound Sleep, which has nothing but Delta and music. I ordered High Focus, with nothing but Beta and music, and I ordered one on Relaxation, and that is nothing but Alpha (and music).

Take care. []

[Noxerus]

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[Parmenion]

Stephen

Did you gradually lower the hz or did you start out with a frequency of 1hz straight off?
Just curious.

~P~

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

Hey Noxerus. []

Glad I could help, and thank you for being so open-minded. []And that is a very good point. The lab people told him it was like he was putting himself into a coma. So little brain activity, and he reports OBEs being more real than physical life.

Thank you for sharing that thought. []


P.S.
Also, when my friend Louis was experiencing dream imagery and lucid dreaming/APing, he was in Theta (wasn't specific whether or not something was mixed here), so that is where some confusion may come in. He found that the two states are different brain states; OBE and lucid dreaming are different. So this may explain some of the confusion.

Cheers.

Celestial
(Darryl E. Berry Jr.)

[goingslow]

I also noticed with the delta I get a lot more hypnogogic(sp?) images.. I feel  A LOT more relaxed with the theta cds.  I wonder if all t his is normal.. the Delta cd's aren't as pleasing to me though.. the sounds.  Im debating still whether to spend money on the awakened minds cd's or wait to get the gateway series.

[Nick]

Thanks Celestial,

I ordered the Sound Sleep cd this morning from BrainSync. It seems as though these companies have the technology to produce the right frequencies. What I have liked about the awakened minds cd (which I've been using lately) is that there is no talking on it. By contrast, when I was doing the hemi-sync waveI cds I would get in the proper state only to jump b/c the voice kicked in. The hemi-sync wave I is a great set, don't get me wrong. It's just, at least in my experience, I couldn't get used to being interrupted by a speaker's voice while in a deep state.

Very best,

[sweet_celestial_sounds]

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[stephen~]

Parmenion -

I set it at a constant 1hz from start to finish (an hour), I find no problem in relaxing quickly so I didn't use a descending scale as it were.

First time on delta I used  seperate frequencies of around 100 and 101hz repectively. It was about 15 mins before I was disturbed in which time I felt the astral body moving about. After the first interuption I wanted to try it with as low left/right frequencies as possible, I figured down to about 30 would still be easily audible. I was disturbed twice so I never really got the chance to test the effect properly. But that's the range and lower that I will be using at from now.

[Parmenion]

Thanks Stephen, much appreciated.
Please to post of any future successes with this. I'll do the same []

Take care

~P

[stephen~]

You're welcome.

Just to update, tried it for the first time properly - no disturbances - this morning. Normally I don't project in the mornings, never have to my knowledge but I found myself with some time so I gave it a go.

Set the BWGen to 50 and 51hz. This gives a very audible low frequency wobble. Although I have to say from the start that I didn't project nor did I have any projection symptoms, I did feel very good. I found I was having long periods (10 or 20 secs) of thoughtless silence, the kind of stillness it takes awhile to achieve by conventional meditation. Plus when my focus did slip it did so very lightly and was easy to bring back. Occasional hypnogogic imagery flashed across my mind, and several times I heard conversations as if eavesdropping on a movie. At the time they were very clear and specific and I remembered each one easily. If only I had thought to write them down afterwards I would still remember them, but I didn't as I had to do some work after which I couldn't remember one of them.

After about 30 minutes I got cold and decided to stop. That's my best experience yet with any setting on the BWGen. I can't swear it was the software that definitly aided my clear and relaxed state, but I think it probably was. The long periods of quiet focus were very distinct, and this was just within about 10 mins of laying down and putting the headphones on.

I'm convinced and interested enough to keep on with it. Normally I project afternoons or early evenings, so maybe I just didn't feel it was the right place and time this morning. If I get time I'll try again later this afternoon when I stop work.

[Nick]

Celestial,

I received the Brain Sync "Sound Sleep" Delta CD today when I got home from work. Just gave it a little listen and it sounds good. Tonight I'll have a full go at it. I want to compare it to the other CD I've been listening to, that is the Awakened Minds CD, which is a good CD as well. Someone more technical could probably describe the precise differences in the frequencies (if any). For me. one sounds like rainfall (awakened minds) and the other a kind of "celestial" music.

Very best,

[goingslow]

One thing I really wish is that someone would invent headphones you can sleep on your side with.  My ears are killing me from those bud things and I hate having to sleep on my back the whole time.  The way I use these CD's is go to sleep with them.. I usually wake up in an LD or trance state when the cd ends.

I cant listen to them for a few days though.. cus of the ear thing.

[Arcane]

just tried downloading something from kazaa to give me an idea of what meditation music is like, to see whether it is worth buying any.

got this annoying guy: -
"breathe in 1,2,3,4,5     breathe out 1,2,3,4,5"
im thinking 'shutup, you are putting me off', then the next bit
"breathe in through your ankles"
had me in hysterics. what kind of a moron would think that he could breathe through his ankles?[]

Tried the 10 minute tune up thing from the Brain Sync site - excellent, have to think about getting some. I just wanted to stay at the stage where you imagine a calm lake with mountains etc. forever[]

[stephen~]

I don't think it is that moronic to 'breathe through your ankles' lol, it's just language used to achieve some kind of physical and mental response. I have a hypnosis tape that tells you to imagine your body as a glass container filled with orange liquid, valves open in your fingers and toes and the orange liquid flows out taking the negativity with it. It's not bad, you don't have to visualise strongly, that's over doing it I think, but just let the gist of the idea settle into the brain. If you start with the attitude 'this is just stupid' it probably wont be effective.

[Arcane]

I understand what he was getting at, but the way he said it just made me laugh.
If something sounds silly, then it is just going to destroy the moment.
I think that the language used is important with keeping people concentrating on the cd. For example if a voice suddenly says "imagine that your feet have turned into 10 foot high blue rubber ducks and floated off into the distance" this would seriously cause me to lose my concentration and probably make me laugh.

I did think that the language used on the 10 min tune up from brain sync, seemed perfect though.