Delta is OBE

[stephen~]

I hear what you are saying arcane []

I tried the delta setting again this afternoon, it's kind of frustrating because i definitely felt a deep sense of relaxtion, and perceptibly slowed-down mind chatter. Again though I was disturbed, this time by two lawnmowers. I stuck with it, but in the end I decided i was past the point where i was likely to settle into a projection state.

It does seem worth persuing at this low frequency (1hz), if nothing else it does seem to produce a meditative state - something that hasn't happened for me on the preset settings.

[Frank]

quote:Originally posted by goingslow

One thing I really wish is that someone would invent headphones you can sleep on your side with.  My ears are killing me from those bud things and I hate having to sleep on my back the whole time.  The way I use these CD's is go to sleep with them.. I usually wake up in an LD or trance state when the cd ends.

I cant listen to them for a few days though.. cus of the ear thing.

I use the tiny earpieces which fit within the ear. Plus, I use two pillows spaced a little way apart. That way I can lay on my side with my head supported and my ear neatly sits in the gap between the two pillows. Works a treat.

Yours,
Frank

[goingslow]

I bought the Brain power brain sync version today at the book store.  This one doesn't just do delta or theta etc.. it does all of them.  Ill write on this thread of anything interesting happens.  One thing I really like about the brain sync cd's is they're so cheap (relatively) I dont mind just trying a new one out.  Well 15 bucks isnt that cheap but you know what I mean.

Frank,

I didnt even think of that!  thanks for the tip frank.  Kinda mad something like that didnt even dawn on me.

[Nick]

goingslow,

Please keep us posted on that Brain Power CD from brain sync. Something you mentioned in an earlier post about the delta not being as pleasing struck me because that is what I'm experiencing now. I've been using the "Sound Sleep" cd and it isn't quite right for me. I think I may try the one you bought or else the one they call Deep Meditation.

The nice thing about these cd's (as you pointed out) is they are pretty inexpensive, and that allows some experimentation.

Very best,

[lucid_dreamer]

Today I've ordered the HemiSync "Super Sleep" CD which also has nothing but Delta on it. Has anybody tried it yet? Any success?
I will keep you updated if I have success with it and even if i don't.

[goingslow]

Nick,

I bought the Guided Meditation Cd a while back.  At the time I didnt realize I should skip the guided part.  Howerver, I enjoy her voice, the second part is purely sound.  The sound on this CD is my favorite.  I would imagine its the same as deep mediation, maybe just a little different.  I want to get deep mediation soon.. I think I really saw results with all the CD's over a period of time.  Even the Beta one (more images).

The Delta CD puts me in a real state of "timelessness" often to the point Im startled to find myself so detached from my body.  But one good thing about it (despite the sound not being so pleasant) is I often wake up feeling REALLY good on this one.

I wanted to wait a little before commenting on the Brain Power Cd, however the other day I purposely tried to stay awake to pay attention to the details.  I have a hard time staying awake lately on them due to the fact I welcome sleep and have recently started a new job.  After about 15 minutes of listening to the "Brain Power" CD I felt strong vibrations.  I didnt try to project though because I was too aware mentally and that doesn't work for me.

It says use for at least six weeks and I've found most of these CD's really have a good effect in my waking life after a period of time.  So when I notice more stuff about this CD i might just post another topic.  Since this one will probably be on page 20 by then.

take care.

[Nick]

goingslow, celestial, and everyone,

There is another topic that I've been posting these cd reviews at. It is Frank's awakened mind cd review topic. What I did there was to give my impression of the Awakened Mind cd as well as the Brain Sync cd entitled Sound Sleep which consists of Delta frequencies. With respect to the latter cd, I have found that it takes me so very deep to where I am losing the "mind-awake" part of the equation. So I thought I would experiment with a different cd from Brain Sync since the price is only $14.95 (USD).

Today I received the Brain Sync cd called Deep Meditation. The insert to that cd reads in part: "Deep Meditation delivers a unique combination of brain wave frequencies to produce an extraordinary mind-awke/body-asleep state. The music delivers a gradual progression of tones that resonate with the seven energy centers in the body..." So I'll try this one for a while and see if it helps as a sort of primer to my astral sessions. I'll report back with my impressions after a while.

Very best,

[hypnotist]

There is Beta Brain Waves, Alpha Brian Wave, Theta Brain Waves and the last is Delta Brain Waves.

Theta is the level in which you go into AP (Theta) is call Lucide Dreaming State-Hypnosis.  In Theta both Conscious and Sub Conscious are at the level were they are both equal in depth.  There are several levels of Theta.  Light, Medium, Deep(which is Somnambulism or Lucid Dreaming).  When you go beyond that point its Deep Somnambulism, then Esdiale State, Canatonic State, and the last one is Ultra Depth (Sichort State)in which Edgar Cayce go into.

Then when you go deeper you enter Delta Brain Wave.  Which is the state that you dream.  Your Conscious mind is shut down at that level thats why you can't remember your dreams.

Thats why your Conscious and Sub Conscious has to be balance equally which can only happen in the Theta Brain Wave.

Thats why this forum is here so you can get more information so you won't be mislead by wrong information.

I hope this helps.
If you need more information my other e-mail is hypnotist41@aol.com

Sincerely Frank (hypnotist)

[hypnotist]

For everyone who wants to try this.

Deep relaxation with HYPNOSIS. Just read it aloud softly in a monotone voice using a tape recorder or have someone else read it to you. When you see this in the sentences (...) pause for 4 seconds that gives the subconsious time to take it in. Then continue to read the script.  

It'll will take you about 45 minutes to reach Somnambulism (Lucid Dreaming) after that first cession you will have a post hypnotic word given to you "Deeply Relax" which is in the script and when you say it to yourself "Deeply Relax"  in your mind it will bring you back into that same deep relaxe'd state that you were in before instantly.

So below this line is the script.
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PROGRESSIVE RELAXATION
(sitting)


Speak slowly and pause between instruction.  Have your subject sit comfortably in his chair with both feet on the floor, arms loosely on the lap...no chewing gum or hard candy in the mouth.  When you have him close his eyes, tell him he will keep them closed until you ask him to open them.  Please do not say  "SLEEP" during the progressive.  When bringing the subject up, do not say "I WILL AWAKEN YOU." (This is a camouflage method of hypnosis).  When you explain relaxation, avoid the work HYPNOSIS.  The wording is as follows: (Pause) for 4 seconds.

"Close your eyes and keep them closed until again I ask you to open
them. (Pause) Now I would like you to take a deep breath and let it out
   
slowly. (Pause) Now  take a second, deep and comfortable breath and
   let that out too, very slowly. (Pause) Now I would like you to take a
   third deep and very comfortable breath, filling your lower and upper
   lungs and hold it. (Pause) Now let that out, very, very slowly and
           already you can feel your body starting to RELAX. (Pause) Now let
   that wonderful, comfortable feeling of relaxation flow all the way
   down to your feet." (Pause)


   "FEEL your feet becoming very comfortable and very RELAXED, (Pause)
   if you don't feel that right away in your feet don't worry about it, for it
   will catch up to you.  (Pause) Now let that wonderful feeling of relaxation
   flow up into your ankles, (Pause) from your ankles up all the large and
   small muscles of your legs, to your knees, (Pause) from your knees up all
   the large and small muscles of your thighs, (Pause) into your hips, (Pause)
   from your hips into your abdomen, and with each and every breath
   you exhale, you can feel your body RELAX much more." (Pause)

   
   "Now let that relaxation flow up all the large and small muscles of your
   neck. (Pause) Just feel all those large and small muscles of your neck
   RELAX, (Pause) flowing right up into your head, (Pause) over your
   head, (Pause) and DOWN into your brow; (Pause) all the muscles around       your eyes, relax, (Pause) all the muscles of your eyes relax, (Pause) all the    
           muscles of your chin, relax. (Pause) Now, if your teeth are clenched, just
           unclench your teeth and your body will relax much more." (Pause)



   Now, as I count from one DOWN to three, with each count your body
   will go DEEPER, (Pause) and DEEPER into this wonderful RELAXED
   state.  So, One...DEEPER and DEEPER, (Pause) Two...DEEPER and
   DEEPER RELAXED. (Pause) Three...very deep, very comfortable and
   Relaxed. (Pause) Now, any sounds that you may hear will just guide you
   deeper.  Following my suggestions will also guide you DEEPER and the
           sound of my voice will guide you EVEN DEEPER into this wonderful
   state.

   Now again I will count, but this time from One down to Five and this
   time you will let the muscles in your body double the relaxation they
   now have. (Pause) One...your relaxation is starting to double. (Pause)
   two...relaxation is doubling more and more. (Pause) Three...very
   comfortable and very relaxed. (Pause) Four...your relaxation has
   almost doubled. (Pause) Five...relaxation now has doubled throughout
   your whole body. (Pause) From the top of your head to the tips of your
   toes all the muscles in your body have relaxed and doubled their
   relaxation, (Pause) with just pleasant contented thoughts going
   throughout your whole body.

   
   Now again I will count from One down to Five, and this time you will let
   the muscles in your body TRIPLE their relaxation.  So, One...your
   relaxation is starting to triple. (Pause) Two...your relaxation is tripling
   more and more. (Pause) Three...very comfortable and very relaxed.
   (Pause) Four...your relaxation has almost tripled. (Pause) Five...
   relaxation has now tripled throughout your entire body, (Pause) from
   the top of your head to the tips of your toes, all the muscles in your
   body have relaxed, doubled their relaxation, and tripled their relaxation.
   (Pause)

   Your whole body feels so good, so comfortable and so relaxed. (Pause)
   all your muscles are completely loose and limp. (Pause) All your body
   organs are functioning perfectly. (Pause)  All your glands are
   functioning perfectly. (Pause) All your body tissues are rejuvenating in
   this wonderful, comfortable, relaxed state. (Pause)

   You will find that your arms and your legs are very heavy, very
   comfortable, very relaxed.  They are so heavy, so comfortable, so
   relaxed, that if I should ask you to lift a leg or an arm, you would
   find that they  are so heavy, so relaxed, that you would not feel
   like lifting a leg or an arm.  They feel so much better just resting
   right where they are. (Pause) But nevertheless, I would like you

   
   to try to lift your right leg. (Short pause)

   Alright, stop trying and let it relax.  It feels so much better to let it
   relax right where it is. (Pause)

   Now you find that your left leg is just as comfortable, just as
   relaxed, and when I ask you to lift it, you will not feel  like
   lifting it because it feels som comfortable just where it is." (Pause)
   I would like you to try to lift your left leg. (Short pause)

   Alright, stop trying and let it relax.  It feels so much better to let
   it relax right where it is. (Pause)

   Now you find that your arms are just as heavy, just as comfortable,
   just as relaxed as your legs.  When I ask you to lift an arm, you
   won't feel like lifting an arm because it feels so good right where it
   is.  Now, I'd like you to try to lift your right arm. (Short pause)

   Alright, stop trying, let yur arms relax.  You find that your right arm
   was so heavy, so relaxed, that you did not feel like lifting it. (Pause)

   You find that your left arm is just as heavy, just as comfortable, just as
   relaxed.  You don't feel like lifting it, but nevertheless, I just want you
   to try. (Short pause)

   O.K. stop trying, just let your body relax, and you will find that your
   body is so comfortable and so relaxed, that you feel so good, so
   wonderful, (Pause) so comfortable, that you just didn't feel like lifting
   any parts of your body.

   (LONG Pause)

   Now I will have you open your eyes on the count of one. (Pause) You
   will be refreshed, rejuvenated, and relaxed, feeling wonderful and fine
   in every way. (Pause) So. Three...gradually, slowly start coming up,
           Two...coming up more and more. ..One...eyes open, all the way up,
   feeling wonderful and fine in every way.

[Nick]

hypnotist,

Thanks for the information and email regarding the deep relaxation with hypnosis. By the way, welcome to the Astral Pulse forum. []

Very best,

[hypnotist]

Thanks Nick

Glad to have found this site.  When I read the Delta information I had to let everyone know that Delta is pro found sleep that where everyone dreams.

Think of the mind as a large deep pool of water like a pond Delta is the lower level of the water in the pond.  Theta is the middle level of water, Alph is 3/4 closer to the surface and above 3/4 to the top is Beta Consciouness.

So think of your self as a deep sea diver and when your at the bottom your dreaming and then slowly you go up and you start to go into the middle level of the water of the pond Concsiousness starts to enter.  When your in the middle of that water level both Concscious and Sub Conscious are equal and u have the feeling of two minds at the same time.

Pleas forgive me if you think I'm stepping on anyones toes but when your hear to learn everyone has to have an open mind to all information you  u can use it for your best goals in life.

I've learn some information here also and I thought I was doing some things right but I wasn't.

Sincerely Frank (hypnotist)

[goingslow]

hypnotist,

You dont need to apologize for stating what you know about delta vs theta.  I think there's some truth to what you say.  I have had OBE's using the theta CD too.  I think its important to know which will help you get there if you're "phasing" into the astral.  The way I use them are sort of different.  I just put the headphones on (theta, Delta, or even Beta) then lay back and allow myself to go to sleep.  When I use any brain sync type CDs I wake up in trance.

Ive had spontaneous OBE's without the CD's but they're less predictable.  But if a person is going to phase to the astral I think delta will probably put them too deep like you said.

Im looking forward to try to phase someday, but I haven't really tried using CD's for that purpose.  Maybe if I get the gateway series someday Ill try that.  Though Im afraid the voice will distract me like it did for Nick.

Thanks for the info though.

[hypnotist]

Hello everyone,

How Brain Waves Are CLASSIFIED

Beta Wave: the beta state is one of physical atlertness with and emotions responsive to the senses.  Most of our waking time is spent in this state, which is associataed with tensiou and striving.  While in beta, one experiences a sense of control of time and space.

Alpha Wave: This is the area of mind which brings increase creativity and physical relaxtion.  Not only is the level of stress reduced but many people enter a light or hypnoidal trance calle meditation.  At this level, there is a slowing down of brain and body pulsation.

Theta Wave: Theta is the portal for entering nightime sleep.  We all pass through theta twice a day:  when we fall asleep and when we awakin in the morning.  With hypnosis, we maintain theta for as long as the session lasts.  At this level, behavior can be modified.

Delta Wave:  Delta is profound sleep.  There is a further slowing down of mental vibrations.  While in delta, we dream and sort out our mental and physical machinery.  This is a period of regeneration and cell renewal, and, without sufficient delta sleep, one can suffer from sleep depriviation.

In Delta State the Conscious mind is inactive no sugguestion can be recieved by the conscious mind. Time and space (enviornment around you does not exist).

HOW DOES HYPNOSIS FEEL?

To begin with hypnosis is not sleep.  When we are asleep, we are largely unconscious, with our conscious minds inactive.  During sleep, the subconscious mind as well as the conscious mind is inaccessible to the "input" of suggestion.  Hypnosis, rather, feels like suspended animation.  The body sleeps while the mind is totally aware and receptive to ideas.  There is a profound feeling of relaxation through every nerve and muscle of the body.  This physical contentment is combined with a feeling lf blissfulness.

So when your using the CD'S to enter Delta your really entering Theta. While in Delta your inaccessible to information on tape or CD'S only when your in Theta are you accessible to suggestions on tape and CD'S

I hope this helps clear some things up.

Sincerely,
Frank (hypnotist)

[chojin]

Sorry if somebody already said this, but I didn't want to read all the posts to find out if somebody did.  I saw something on TV once about OBE's and some lab was conducting tests on people who had OBE's frequently and they said that they found that each time a person had an OBE they were in alpha.

[Faceless]

Hi, this question goes mainly to goingslow but anyone who knows feel free to answer

I want to know the name of the CD that increases intuition please and what site can I get it from.

thanks

[Fyrenze]

I too use the Awakened Minds cd off and on. While it is the only one I've used so far, I find it works well on myself and all of my friends who have tried it. Even one uninterested in meditation and OBE found it useful for relaxation - indeed, she was oblivious to her surroundings for the whole track in the middle of Rittenhouse Square, with all the hustle and bustle of Philadelphia going on around her - though she was a little bewildered by her experience and rarely uses it now.

I haven't used any other products, though I would happily take suggestions. However, I find the steady rain used on the Awakened Minds cd very effective, and I think I would prefer it to any sort of music. Who has known any piece of music to be enjoyed by one and all? In contrast, I don't think anyone, especially in the state of relaxation or what-have-you that these cds are meant to induce, objects to the gentle patter of raindrops.

My humble uninformed opinion,

Mark

[goingslow]

quote:Hi, this question goes mainly to goingslow but anyone who knows feel free to answer

I want to know the name of the CD that increases intuition please and what site can I get it from.

thanks

The one I was talking about was Guided Meditation

However, this particular CD has Kelly Howell talking for the first half which is annoying to a lot of people.  I recommend trying one of the other meditation CD's if that would annoy you.  I think Nick has the Deep Meditation Cd this one should also help with intuition etc.  

The website for the cd is www.brainsync.com they are relatively cheap and you should use them everyday for a while to see any results.  Ive had really positive results so I recommend them.. I think any brain sync cd's are good but at least with the low price on these you arent taking too much of a risk.

the awakened minds cd is something different and im not sure about the website.  Nick would know though I think.  

good luck

[Nick]

Yes, the website for the Awakened Minds CD is as follows:

http://awakenedminds.com/

The Brain Sync website is as goingslow said.

I'd just add that with respect to the binaural cd's I've used, that lately I've been sticking with the Deep Meditation cd from Brain Sync.

As I've posted earlier, the Sound Sleep cd put me too deep. Again, everyone's different, but for me I lost the mind awake part of the equation w/ that cd.

As to the Awakened Minds cd, it is excellent, just not for me. Where Fyrenze finds the steady rainfall effective, for me it was a bit annoying. I guess it comes down to personal preference because they all seem to work in the same ballpark.

Very best,

[Faceless]

Cool I have Deep Meditation only listened to it once tho.

For it to have any effect is it nessecery to fall into the meditative state? or just listen to it? I can't get into the state cos my mouth always waters and i have to swallow so my neck upwards is never relaxed enough.

[Nick]

Faceless,

What we're shooting for is a nice transition to the mind-awake/body-asleep state or Focus 10 as Robert Monroe called it. The binaural cd is an assist, but not absolutely necessary, to get to that state.

That state of mind-awake/body-asleep is where we need to be before we can go into other focus levels (astral phasing) or obe. So when you say meditative state, I'm not sure what you mean because I am looking to go to that state I described.

Regarding the physical issue of saliva buildup, whenever that has happened to me I tried a different position and it usually resolves itself.

Very best,

[AndrewTheSinger]

So OBEs are closer to ordinary dreams than to lucid dreams? I think there's something wrong with that statement since they say consciousness of ego can only act till the brain reaches theta waves and not beyond that, delta.

It means that when you're lucid dreaming you're actually having a lighter sleep than when you're having unconscious dreams?

I guess it would make sense to say that all dreams happen at delta mainly and when you're lucid theta is also playing a big role in the mix of frequencies, and as theta starts fading you begin losing consciousness. That could explain why it can be hard to maintain lucidity for a long period, you either awake or gradually lose it. It would also make sense to say that not everyone experience a 'pure delta state' in wich no other waves can be detected, and somehow there can be a consciousness at that state (OBE).

It suggests consciousness doesn't depend on brainwaves, or, if it does, it would be on delta (since without delta there could be no theta, alpha or beta), and if so then comes the question: why does consciousness fade at all?


Correct me if I'm wrong, please, I'm trying to sort it out to understand it better.

[hypnotist]

Hello Andrew,

I read your post:

So OBEs are closer to ordinary dreams than to lucid dreams? I think there's something wrong with that statement since they say consciousness of ego can only act till the brain reaches theta waves and not beyond that, delta.

It means that when you're lucid dreaming you're actually having a lighter sleep than when you're having unconscious dreams?

I guess it would make sense to say that all dreams happen at delta mainly and when you're lucid theta is also playing a big role in the mix of frequencies, and as theta starts fading you begin losing consciousness. That could explain why it can be hard to maintain lucidity for a long period, you either awake or gradually lose it. It would also make sense to say that not everyone experience a 'pure delta state' in which no other waves can be detected, and somehow there can be a consciousness at that state (OBE).

It suggests consciousness doesn't depend on brainwaves, or, if it does, it would be on delta (since without delta there could be no theta, alpha or beta), and if so then comes the question: why does consciousness fade at all?


Correct me if I'm wrong, please, I'm trying to sort it out to understand it better.

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The Subconscious or Delta State is a protective state.  Your Subconscious mind accesses billions of information for the Conscious mind.

If the Conscious part of the mind had more input from the Subconscious that overflow of information would put the Conscious into shock.

Think of both the Conscious and Subconscious as a football in an upright position.

The top is the Conscious part of the mind awake and at the bottom is the subconscious during the waking part of the day.

Now as you go to sleep imagine the football tilting slowly towards the right, and as the Conscious part of the football goes down the Subconscious goes up.

When the Conscious part of the football reaches the Middle on the opposite side is the Subconscious at that point one is in Lucid State or (Hypnosis).

As the Conscious part of the football still goes down and reaches the bottom the Subconscious is at the top which is Profound Sleep or (Delta State).

At this level the Conscious mind is inactive to any suggestions or awareness of any external stimulus.

You have to remember that both Conscious and Subconscious is like Ying and Yang.  Once can work with out the other.

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Frank Mulley A. Ht.


   
   
   
   

[AndrewTheSinger]

Hello hypnotist, thank you for the input. I understand it now. I was thinking dreams happened during Delta, but I see they happen during the REM phase, when the brainwaves are similar to the waking state, therefore it is also called paradoxical sleep.

Our sleep is divided into 2 phases: synchronized sleep or non-REM and desyncrhonized sleep or REM. These phases are consecutive, and together they form the sleep cycle.

When we lay down to sleep we first go through the non-REM phase, our brainwaves slow down from beta to alfa, then theta and delta. After this the brainwaves speed up a bit and then comes the REM phase, when we dream. "REM sleep is a sleep in which EEG waves resemble those occurring when we are awake. But the muscles weaken as if being paralyzed, except the muscles that cause the eye movement. Therefore, some people define this kind of sleep as 'a state in which an active brain functions in a paralyzed body'."

This cycle repeats itself 4 to 5 times along the night. "The whole process will recur interchangebly, with shorter NREM sleep and longer REM sleep until he wakes up."

For more information: http://www.sleepdisorderchannel.net/stages/

[hannerl]

What were the brain wave states for the several different states that Mr. Atwater told you?   Did he tell you what brain wave frequencies related to the different Focus States, i.e., Focus 10,12,15,21, etc?

Look forward to hearing from you.  

Regards,   Hannerl

quote:Originally posted by sweet_celestial_sounds

Hey stephen. I would have replied to you the first time, but we must have posted at the same time. Thank you for sharing. []

And to Noxerus. Thank you for sharing, but actually my friend Louis went to a lab, where they hooked him up. He had the mixes of frequencies like you said at first, but THE MOMENT he went OBE ALL of his brainwaves went to Delta. There was nothing else. And MR. Altwater told me the brain wave states for several different states, and all of them were mixed like you say, but for OBE he said Delta, and he didn't say anything else. And they have people hooked up all the time.

And to goingslow. Thank you again for sharing. []

Take care. []

[hannerl]

Did Mr. Atwater give you the frequencies for the different Focus States and, if yes, would you be good enough to post them?   thanks,  hannerl

quote:Originally posted by sweet_celestial_sounds

Hey stephen. I would have replied to you the first time, but we must have posted at the same time. Thank you for sharing. []

And to Noxerus. Thank you for sharing, but actually my friend Louis went to a lab, where they hooked him up. He had the mixes of frequencies like you said at first, but THE MOMENT he went OBE ALL of his brainwaves went to Delta. There was nothing else. And MR. Altwater told me the brain wave states for several different states, and all of them were mixed like you say, but for OBE he said Delta, and he didn't say anything else. And they have people hooked up all the time.

And to goingslow. Thank you again for sharing. []

Take care. []