Not having a physical body.

[JustLikeThePill]

i just typed a huge page, but i wasn't logged in,so can we just talk on AIM? that would be easier for the both of us, imo.


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[beavis]

Maybe your body really isnt where you left it. Carlos Castaneda writes about bodies being physically transported into dreams (astral) and back.

[Nagual]

But it's supposed to be something very difficult to achieve...

Castaneda was tricked by some entities; which transported his physical body (plus the body of Carol Tigs) to some unknown place.  And they had a real hard time to come back.

Same thing with the 2 Nagual apprentices of Nagual XXX (can't remember his name) I think.  He asked one entity to "play" with them (as in feel free to do whatever you want with them), and the entity took them physicaly to their world.  Then, XXX had to bring them back.

Same when Castaneda fell in the Inorganics trap.  They brought his physical body into their world.  Then, Don Juan and his friends had to go there to get it back.

Castaneda also dreamt of a place in RTZ, and then woke up there...

I think it's the 4th gate of dreaming...

Anyway, back to topic.  In Castaneda's book, Don Juan told him that, as long as he cannot see his body laying on his bed, sleeping; it's not "real".  He even asked him to be sure that it was the exact "copy" of his body and environement.  Like same t-shirt, same hair cut, night time if it was night, same everything...

[holy reality]

(JustLikeThePill didn't see your message last night, i'll be on AIM in a bit though)
okay so.........

Last night I kind of projected from consciouness from the first time.. I woke up at 5 a.m. and couldn't fall asleep, so I listened to music for an hour or so then did a relaxation technique... felt my hands get heavy.. felt some pain in my arm and tried to work some energy to it.. then decided to try the NEW exercise about stimulating your hands and arms and such... so I did that and got my hands feeling activiated and stuff, and my arms to a small degree...

I then just did breath awareness for a while, and it felt like each breath I took in was sending energy to the right side of my head/brain very heavily... so I tried to continue the flow over to the left once it hit the right, which kind of worked but not very well... then I tried to open my Crown chakra, which I probably suceeded at, and try to balance the energy in the top of my head and then direct it down into brow and throat.

After a while I started falling asleep and "jolting" awake, not physically jolting, my body was still tired, but my mind would pop back into awareness... I must have done this about 10 times, which is very tiring... before I noticed my hands were way heavier than normal, then they started vibrating... only.. I was not what I would refer to as "paralyzed" I could still move THEM, and by them I mean my physical hands.

At any rate, vibrations started picking up... I was kind of out of it though, but I heard the old man (Jasper I think) from the Simpsons say "if you're experiencing vibrations, raise your hand" which I found hilarious since to do so would cancel the vibrations... I laughed... this really strange as hell laugh that sounded like it came from a teenage girl... and it was on repeat... over and over and over... forming this weird energy flow... the vibrations went insane like I don't think I've ever felt before, and I became very giddy but stayed calm and tried to balance them out to my head as they were largely located in the chest.

Sadly the vibrations then died, and I could not get them back... so I said screw it and rolled over and just tried to fall asleep.

A few hours later after lucid dreaming (but not of the exploraiton variety) I kept waking up out of the dream and ended up half falling asleep then jolting mentally awake and vibrating a little.

I managed, with difficulty, to get out of my body.. I'm not sure how, I think I had to physically try to exit it... at any rate.. the first thing I do is look for my physical body.. I don't see it... I feel like I'm in danger of being drawn back into it though, so I timidly peer under the sheets and see my "head" only it didn't look like "me" it was kind of shaved...

I then looked for my computer, which wasn't there... and noticed old furniture in the room that I no longer have. I decided I'd try and create something due to reading that astral magic article and stuff.. so I tried to make a $100 dollar bill... well.. it was quite amazing.. I watched one materialize in my hand.. only it was a $1 bill... I tried to make it a $100 but it only went up to $50.. I decided that was good and set it on top of my bed... then I tried to make another but started waking up.

I projected again shortly thereafter and went outside, and it was night... rather than morning.. I floated up in the air and asked for a guide and asked to be taken to the astral realm... I went somewhere... with goblins... it was like a world directly on top of this one and I was sitting on the edge looking down at where I had just come from.. I noticed a golden shimmer by me but I couldn't focus on it or make sense of it, and thought it may have been my guide.

I vaguely remember talking to what was either him, or a goblin, about things and about the future of earth.. I asked him of US civil war and nuclear war, and he said it wasn't set in stone but it seemed likely.

(don't know if this is just becuase of that damned John Titor page and my paranoia of the government though)

but yeah... how am I not projecting for "real" I mean.. I leave my body...... ? Sometimes I see myself leave it... isn't that about as real as you can go? I guess I'm just stepping into a dream version of my room.

[Nagual]

I am still looking for the answer myself...

[holy reality]

I can't recall my body ever being in the room with me when I step out.

Why is this? I can confidently for say that I have FOR REAL stepped out of my body 2-3 times... yes it's during the night but I'm fairly positive those times were not dreams.

Yet as soon as I'm out, my body isn't there.

I'm usually blind when I exit too.. but there have been times when I've seen myself float out, and once or twice have seen me pulling my astral hands (white and see through) out...

Yet once I'm out of my body, I generally feel like I'm still in a physical body and I'm not sure but I think I look like I normally do physically.

Also, the objects in my room almost never look right... am I not projecting into real time? If so, then how do I project into real time? Do I have to stimulate my chakras and pull energy through my body more?

And is there a way to project from lucid dreams so that you can go to higher planes of reality? I'm always stuck in the lowest ones, usually really bad copies of the real world that are innacurate and nonsensical. If I could even get TO the real world from my lucid dreams somehow, that alone would be fantastic (is it possible?)

I know these questions have been asked before but I've been browsing and searching these forums for a while and can't really find that many answers. The split mind thing in the training article would explain why my body is never there, but it doesn't expalin why upon immediately exiting my body, it's still gone.

Man I just have so many unanswered questions........ are there any experienced projectors/lucid dreamers that might be willing to give me their AIM name(s)? I kind of feeel this need to interact with someone who knows what they are doing in real time rather than make a lot of threads that don't get many replies.