did you all think i was really gone??

[upstream]

what a fantastic forum !
i just can't be surprised anymore...

lucky travelling !!!

[Nay]

Oh dear....

*searches frantically for a cold compress, then leaves the thread*

Nay

[Sctt859]

wow i come back to the forums from a month and i find out that people can now see the future in a oobe... rofl. This is not possible.. Telling the future will cause one to stop deaths intervine. and we will all die of old age?? We can not see the future because the future has not come. But are we seeing the future of some one who already lived the past?? oobes are just dreams people.

The mind can only be controlled by the brain. You can only access your mind by the brain. Its like for example a videogame. Oh ya the videogame cd is right there take us to different worlds and stuff meet new characters, but before we can play the game we must put it in our console. the console being the brain.

Now when we die the brain dies. Meaning all thought is gone, The mind blanks out and then our soul can achieve heaven or hell. People listen to me... iam the golden one not robert.

[majour ka]

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Originally posted by upstream

what a fantastic forum !
i just can't be surprised anymore...

lucky travelling !!!

LOL upstream..[][][]

[Moonburn33]

this act has been done *yawns*

i'm bored

anyone want some cereal?

[mactombs]

Once when I was really young, I thought I died and went to Hell. It turned out that I just fell asleep at church.

Seriously, though, cereal sounds great. I have some Cp'n Crunch that'll do nicely.

[Nay]

Cp'n Crunch?? that stuff use to SHREAD the roof of my mouth!  How bout honey combs?  Can you say, too large for even a giant to eat???

cocoa krispies..yep, that is it...cocoa krispies..Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

Smiles~ Nay

[thelou]

Sctt859 wrote

quote:Hey im cooler then freddy jackson sipping a milkshake in a snowstorm so i would have to coem back. Last night i had a obe and i died and my physical form died. Im back to tell you all taht my job in the physical realm is over... i must return to my home planet now.

If you were really that "cool" you would not have to brag about it, people would know.  Also if you were that "cool" you would understand that "I" is capitalized, and "coem" was spelled come.  Also the word "taht" is spelled that.  So go ahead and return to your planet.  

Also...

quote:wow i come back to the forums from a month and i find out that people can now see the future in a oobe... rofl. This is not possible.. Telling the future will cause one to stop deaths intervine. and we will all die of old age?? We can not see the future because the future has not come. But are we seeing the future of some one who already lived the past?? oobes are just dreams people.

The mind can only be controlled by the brain. You can only access your mind by the brain. Its like for example a videogame. Oh ya the videogame cd is right there take us to different worlds and stuff meet new characters, but before we can play the game we must put it in our console. the console being the brain.

Now when we die the brain dies. Meaning all thought is gone, The mind blanks out and then our soul can achieve heaven or hell. People listen to me... iam the golden one not robert.

If you were as enlightened as you wish everyone thought you were you would understand that the future is not written.  People with open minds can see, predict, and even create their own futures to be what they want.  In your theory the future is set in stone.  We have the freedom of choice, and can change our minds at any time, thus changing the future.

When people see the future, they are only seeing one possible future.  Not the only future.

If you restrict your believing that OBE's are only a dream then that is what you create in your life.  You do not have the right to tell other people what they should believe.

Quotes:

"We become what we think about.  Life is a self-fulfilling prophecy".  "Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived frontwards".

KIERKEGAARD

"Always think of what you have to do as easy and it will become so".

EMILE COUE

"The greatest thing in the world is not so much where we stand as in which direction we are moving".

OLIVER WENDELL HOLMES

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true".

RICHARD BACH

"All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them".

WALT DISNEY

"In order to succeed, we must first believe we can".

MICHAEL KORDA

"To succeed it is necessary to accept the world as it is and rise above it".  

MICHAEL KORDA

"In all things success depends on previous preparation and without such preparation there is sure to be failure".

CONFUCIUS

"Whatever you can do or dream you can begin it".  "Boldness has genius, power, and magic".

JOHANN WOLFGANG VON GOETHE

"Act as though it were impossible to fail".

WINSTON CHURCHILL

"Remember anything you want that's valuable requires you break through short term pain in order to gain long term pleasure".

ANTHONY ROBBINS

"If you try to measure the future you will never risk the present".  "Playing it safe, a ghastly game".

KATHERINE DENEVUE

"Never let the fear of striking out get in your way".

BABE RUTH

"Our life is what our thoughts make it".

MARCUS AURELIUS

"What the mind of man can conceive and believe, the mind of man can achieve".

NAPOLEON HILL

"There is a difference between wishing for something and being ready to receive it".  "No one is ready for a thing unless he believes he can acquire it".

NAPOLEON HILL

"Blessed is he that expects nothing, for he shall never be disappointed".

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

Are your comments and observations based on proof and learning, or just what you have been able to master on your own without learning from any of the great thinkers?

Oh wait, I see in your profile that you are only 18.  I remember when I thought I knew everything.

quote:Now when we die the brain dies. Meaning all thought is gone, The mind blanks out and then our soul can achieve heaven or hell. People listen to me... iam the golden one not robert.

DUHHHHH (sorry trying to use terms you will comprehend).  When the body dies all of it's physical organs die, not just the brain.  "iam" is two words you mean "I am" and Robert is the name of a person and is capitalized.  Do you really think for a heart beat that any one is going to believe you and your delusions about you being the golden one?

Ha!!!

Go back and learn, return from "your planet" when you understand.

Sorry Moderators, if I have stepped over the boundaries here.

Would very much like to hear the comments of OTHERS if I am right or way out of line here.

There truly is no anger meant in my words, just the good old use of common sense.  

Thelou

P.S. Sorry for the vocabulary lesson youngster, just that it seems to me that the "golden one" would be able to enunciate.  (That means to say or pronounce clearly, in this case writing/typing).

[Nay]

OH MY!..LOL []

Thelou, ummmmmm..nice thoughts you have there, and appreciated..but why in the world would you spend so much time and effort?  Don't feed the trolls is a term I learned on another site.  So lets not feed the trolls..

I'm soooooo loving my new smileys..

Nay

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oh no, oh no...

[thelou]

Thanks Nay,

Trolls, I like it.  Big ugly negs, that kill the life in people.

quote:but why in the world would you spend so much time and effort?

I guess I did not think of it as time and effort.  When you know something it is easy.  Not like I spent hours researching just for that one little answer.  I guess I did it to show that my opinion comes from one of learning and not one of empty opinion that comes from nothing.[][]

Oh cool smileys by the way[][]

Thelou

[galacticsurfer]

SCTT,

I would say go by your own experience only do not worry about others as that is wasting everybody's time and we all have to die sometime anyway and don't want to really waste it. If you don't have anything good to say be quiet is a standard advice for children. it fits us adults as well. My hobby is esoteric nonsense or occult as I find it interesting. I of course would also ridicule some guys trying to say they are levitating by hopping(TM practitioners I think?) But I would not go to their chat forum to screw up their minds. that would be impolite and just show my low self esteem. If you are truly interested in something else then go there and don't hang out here.

I try to be a true skeptic/scientist and only believe my own experience but I like to ground it in a general framework which makes some sort of sense(scientific theory or occult theory whichever seems better at the time). I have not had an OBE but only lucid dreams which can be quite interesting. I am uncertain therefore if OBE is in any way true as Robert Bruce describe it from  my purely personal experience. this is the only practical way to determine truth through rigid personal examination or observation. Scientific theory can be as little trusted as new age or occult explanations. Seeing is believing is the ultimate rule. Only personal experience counts. How you interpret that in a framework is then a matter of argument which can go on forever and is a pure waste of time. I do not accept gurus unconditionally but read their ideas and take them with a grain of salt until I can determine whether or not through personal experience what they are saying is right or wrong. I however give them the benefit of the doubt when they at least believe what they are saying and their ideas are not so far out of the entire societal norm that they should quite obviously be put in an insane asylum immediately.

I am now reading a free to download book from a man at the following site where he attempts to fuse science and the occult. I mentioned this on the end of the last thread you started. He was a believer in OBE explanation and then decided regarding OBEs that the lucid dream concept was correct. the future in his eyes lies in a very sophisticated fusion of both holistic occult concepts from India, etc. and modern scientific concepts.

http://www.geocities.com/ddegraci/

Be that as it may. Theories are only ideological constructs to explain reality but nothing more. Absolute truth is absolute and therefore not to put in words.

This is essentially the mystical attitude. The OBE stuff, chakras etc. are occult ideas which you can attack at will and are ignored by many advanced gurus in India as nonsense or just useless. Mysticism is the search for pure absolute truth which is almost unattainable and perfect. This is basically the same in all religions, the concept of unity with God. Go to church or whatever religion you have and get one with god. Especially if you think occult is a waste of time. Ultimately it really is , just like science.

No you can't get my goat. I am not hung up on this stuff. It's all just mind games.

[Dav]

My oh my oh my.

By the way Sctt, It IS possible to see the future as the past present and future all exist at the same time. It is the nature of physics. Therefore it could be possible to see the future, in some esoteric way since it HAS already happened, right now.

And if you don't understand what I have said, your probably not mature enough to be in this place. Your outta your water man, go home.

[Sctt859]

Hey im cooler then freddy jackson sipping a milkshake in a snowstorm so i would have to coem back. Last night i had a obe and i died and my physical form died. Im back to tell you all taht my job in the physical realm is over... i must return to my home planet now.