Did you try hard, really hard, (or harder),to OBE?

[clandestino]

Hi there Paukki !

I'm in a pretty much identical situation to you. I could have written your e-mail, except for the bit about being married !

It is easy to read and be interested in OBE, but putting it into practise involves dedication ! I'm confident that at some point in the not-so-far away future, I'll have an OBE as a result of all my hard work....it is easy to get distracted, I know, at the moment I am trying to make practice a part of my "daily ritual" if you like...just another part of the day / night...like cleaning my teeth.

The biggest help has been visiting this bulletin board beacuse :
1) It keeps you interested and motivated,
2) you can get interactive advice from a bunch of people who have OBE experience....

KEEP TRYING ! I WILL TOO !!

Mark

[James S]

Hi Paukki,

Getting going with NEW is probably your best start. It does take time at first, but you'll soon find that with a bit of practice you can start achieving within minutes what might have taken half an hour or more. The trick is to see if you can fit it into your daily routine. I now spend a bit of time when I first get in to work meditating and raising energy. I'm lucky in that I'm in an area where I don't get disturbed, but sometimes I've only got as little as 5-10 minutes to work with. It's enough though. It all helps. Even a little bit on a regular basis will give results. Short regular sessions will benifit you more than long infrequent ones.

Something I found also that might help you, is that if you are following a particular routine or method, and it isn't getting you anywhere, try something different, or even modify the method you might be using so it suits you better. In working towards an OBE, or energy raising, or relaxation, there are really no absolute right or wrong ways. The right way is the one that you feel suits you best. I've started to discover a path towards OBEs that comes from an almost completely different direction to the Astral Dynamics and similar ways. I also started modifying the NEW methods I was using when I started learning more about myself and my energy body.

All the best,

James.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

It is very possible to try too hard to project. I think I have had more OBEs when I was not actually trying to than when I have tried to do it. Many times I have been trying to meditate only and I will wind up feeling the exit sensations and then be out of body. I think one of the key elements to projecting is being able to forget about your physical body. I know that in the beginning, and sometimes now, what starts out as a possible projection is quickly ended if I start "feeling" for my body.This quickly pulls you right back to the physical. This can happen in two ways. One is when you are trying to project you keep checking your physical body to see if you are feeling the vibrations and if it is relaxed. This really hurts the process as it makes you more aware of your body, something you do not want to do. The other is that when you first get out it can feel, well different. For me it was just a reaction to feel for my physical body, like for something familar and secure.  Another key to projecting is to be passive. You can sit there and try pushing yourself out all day but you will likely be unsuccessful. One technique I use sometimes is to lay down and allow myself to drift close to sleep, letting my body fall asleep and keeping my mind awake. When ever I feel my mind starting to go to sleep I snap it awake, keeping my body asleep. Usually if I can stay awake after a few times of "snapping" my mind back I will find myself out of body. This process allows you to be become relaxed and passive. The danger is that it is easy to fall asleep this way, but it might be something you will want to try. Just don't try too hard and you will do it some day.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by Paukki:
Hi there,
I'm just curious as to how hard YOU worked at getting your first OBE.

Well, let me first state that I used to try so HARD to have an OBE back in the day.  It almost got frustrating for me, which is very counteractive towards your progress.  

For example, the WORST thing beginners do when they practice is that they think to themselves, "Ok, I'm not feeling anything..........still not feeling anything.......I don't feel my legs anymore, but why can I still feel my body......"

You get the point.  It can be frustrating, and I think all of us have gone through this.  However, my first OBE came when I least expected it.  I was either reading Robert Monroe's first book of Slvan Muldoon's book late at night, and I decided to just go to sleep.  No projection techniques, no practing, nothing.  I was too tired.  

Then, in the middle of the night, I snapped back to full conscious awareness, and I just felt....strange.  A buzzing sensation was all around me, and I was AWAKE.  I thought to myself, "Stay calm, and think about floating or something!"  In that same moment, I floated up into a sitting position.  My upper body was OUT, but my lower body was still in the physical.

"HOLY S*&^%$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I did it!!"  That was all I could think about, and right after that, I was reconnecting.

The point is that sometimes, you just have to give in, not give up.  There's a big difference.  Keep reading about OBE's everyday.  For example, I read this forum all throughout the day, and read other OBE/psychic/paranormal literature in the evenings.  By keeing these kinds of things in the forefront of your mind, you will increase your chances of success.

Hang in there!  And remember, if you are starting to get frustrated at failed attemps, take a break for a couple of nights.



Keep smiling,

Jeff Mash
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[powder]

Paukki,

How can I advise you on something that only you know how to do?
If OBE is possible ( either it or its some really fun hallucinations http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0> )
than it must be a natural physical phenomena that is resident in you
and you should just do what feels right, not always what someone
writes that you should do. Only you know how to make yourself
go OBE.
And I agree with everyone else, just relax, when I'm trying to OBE (its been
a couple of months since that...) or anything I just relax and value the
relaxation and I accept an OBE just as a nice extra to the relaxation
meditation etc.



.oO0()0Oo.

[Paukki]

Just a quick note to thank those of you who have replied already.  Really, there is so much available within this forum in general, it is almost mind-boggling.  Between the books, tapes, cd's, forum posts, emails, ..........yowwwww!  (Anybody ever warn anybody about the inherent difficulties encountered with a cup-running-over?)   http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_clown.gif" border=0>

--Paukki

[Patty]

I didn't try hard -

My situation was that I was in profound grief. Really really profound. Or maybe even more profound than that!

had an OBE within a week of deciding that the moorings had come loose (due to the grief). I used the Monroe approach (but modified.)

It wasn't as full as I had hoped (too brief, too dark, etc) but it was easy.

these days it is not as easy. I seem to be anchored more firmly. But with a lot of effort I still get out sometimes.

Patty

[Leyla]

NO ONE HAS EVER HAD AN OBE BECAUSE THEY TRIED HARD.

In fact, you shouldn't try at all. Ever.
It's something your soul does all on it's own.
With or without your consent, and sometimes even against your will.

It's a gradual process your soul undertakes. It starts with the lucid dreams. Your subconscious dreaming mind and conscious reasoning mind working together in tandem.  After you get used to those, and they become a bit "old hat" you start the night flying.

Your soul separates from your body when you are sleepy and relaxed and drifting off to dream. You'll drift right out of your body. You won't remember much at first, but after a while you become acclimated and will have full conscious OBS and Astral Travels. You will remember them.

You will probably bump into more than a few entities along the way. Some will be friendly. Some not so.

After you get used to this you will eventually begin to consciously project yourself, at will.

THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOUR CONSCIOUS WAKING, THINKING, REASONING MIND CAN DO TO RUSH THIS PROCESS. GIVE UP. IT'S YOUR SOUL THAT'S LEARNING. NOT YOUR MIND.

[clandestino]

Hey there Leyla... I disagree. I don't think that the conscious and subconcious minds are actually seperate things.

Surely all the techniques outlined by Robert Bruce, the procedures developed by Robert Monroe, and all the helpful posts on this site have to be initiated by the conscious mind ?!!

so when you say :
"NO ONE HAS EVER HAD AN OBE BECAUSE THEY TRIED HARD.

In fact, you shouldn't try at all. Ever. "

....I beg to differ. Many people are not in the fortunate position of just having OBE's through no effort of their own....But these fortunate people don't have any special gift that the rest of us unfortunates are missing !

[Meg]

Clandestino, I agree with you totally. Since I've been reading up on OBE in my conscious world, I've been MUCH more able to project. Not only that, but each experience has been more valuable to my learning - not so much floundering around! I think it really depends on what kind of person you are. It's like learning anything. Some people need to take careful methodical steps and learn by actually doing it, where other people learn more with their intellect; or through emotions and intuition etc etc. For me, it's always been about my mind. I remember when I was a child learning to skip a rope, I never could learn how to do it by practising - it was when I stood in my bedroom and mentally visualised the process that I taught myself! Silly story, but you get my drift.

Good luck Paukki.

Meg

"...listening like the orange tree..."  - John Shaw Neilson

[Leyla]

CLANDESTINO "I disagree. I don't think that the conscious and subconscious minds are actually seperate things. "

If you will simply scroll up you can see that I wrote:   
Your subconscious dreaming mind and conscious reasoning mind working together in tandem.
   
CLANDESTINO "Many people are not in the fortunate position of just having OBE's through no effort of their own....But these fortunate people don't have any special gift that the rest of us unfortunates are missing !"    
   
      Ah Ha! Now we get to the real source of your insecurity (and antagonism). You are afraid that I have some special gift - because you have to train yourself and I don't.

   Well hang it up buddy, I'm not here to be "special". I was drug into the OBE world kicking and screaming all the way, if there was ever an unwilling soul it was I. I ran to my doctor asking for anti psychotics because I was convinced I was schizophrenic. I even cried and wrote my family a good-bye letter because I was sure it was only a matter of time before I lost my mind.
   
   I am here to learn like everyone else-certainly there are always tips and tricks and helpful hints. But I stand my statement- no one ever "learned" how to OBE. You go when your soul is ready and not before.

[bindi]

Hey Paukki,
just like clandestino, I could have written the email myself also...!
Having tried and tried with some degree of success but not full result, I got chatting to someone on the chat page who could do it.
Their suggestion was to learn to Lucid cream first and the rest will follow naturally (or at least be alot easier as you know better what to expect)....as I was at such a stalemate with trying to AP, I have taken this advice on board and am learning to Lucid Dream First.....
Good Luck!

[Paukki]

Hi there,
I'm just curious as to how hard YOU worked at getting your first OBE.  To start things off, I'll say that I first started looking into the idea maybe over a year ago, but I didn't really start taking it seriously until the past half year or so.  I have yet to have a full OBE, (that I know of, or remember), but I've had a partial or two, some obvious pre-OBE symptoms, a number of dreams with flying in them, and a few dreams about OBE itself.  It seems that I get closest when I least expect it, like napping or going to sleep for the night, but conscious efforts are like......well..........welllllll.........up an down and never quite there, I guess.  I just finished reading Bruce's "Astral Dynamics", and even though he had OBEs when he was 3 and 4 years old, it took him quite an effort to get back into it, later in life.  (To read what he went through when finally re-experiencing an OBE, it danged near sounds like he was giving birth to himself!)  Considering the latter testimony, sometimes I wonder about the occasional comment that says "you're trying too hard".  Perhaps one is trying too hard >>in the WRONG WAY<<, and not hard enough >>in the RIGHT WAY<<, eh?  LIke I wonder if I should be much more disciplined about using N.E.W., but, (sigh), I have a full-time job that is fairly physical, (sometimes moreso...sometimes brutal!), and it isn't easy to fit everything in.  And I'm married.  Anyway....any comments?

---Paukki
"....I'm goin' mobile......keep me movin'!"