Direct to WILD

ayearhasgone · August 11, 2011, 21:02:14

I've posted before that I have problems getting presleep. I cannot set an alarm for the early morning because my wife and infant son would wake up and perhaps attempt to kill me.

Autosuggestion does not work, even though I'm fairly susceptible to self-hypnosis. I tried drinking a full glass of water before bed, hoping a full bladder would wake me up around 4 am like what used to happen in high school. Now all I do is run to the bathroom fifty times!

My most successful projection attempts have, curiously, been in the later morning or afternoon where I had no presleep at all. Sure, it took a chunk of time to get anywhere, but after I did my time I got results.

Which leads me to my current attempts at projecting directly from an awake state. Specifically, when I lay down to go to bed at night. Now, I know that this is a lofty goal that is very difficult. Even experienced projectors have trouble with a direct projection. But every time I wake up early in the morning for an OBE, I simply fall back asleep. It's worth a shot!

Now, I found two pieces of work that are of interest to me. The first is Raduga's OOBE textbook thingie. Mr. Raduga believes that "The Phase" is all in one's subconscious, which I strongly disagree with. But I believe in learning from everyone, so that's that. Raduga divides techniques into Indirect and Direct. Indirect occur in the early morning, Direct occur from a waking state. The only difference is how long one has to use the technique. With an Indirect technique, one wakes up early in the morning, and WITHOUT OPENING THEIR EYES, begins the technique. "The Phase" should occur within minutes, if not seconds. With a Direct technique, one may have to use the technique for as long as half an hour. Raduga also warns that most "beginners" who go straight to the Direct techniques will fail.

The second is a blog, forgive me I cannot find the URL, of a person who was working towards a direct WILD. While lucid dreaming isn't exactly my goal, as many of you know the WILD technique is the same for a Classic Exit OOBE. The blogger claims that it is of course very difficult, but with a lot of practice, they were able to start having direct WILD's within a month.

Has anyone had success with Direct OBE's, or even Direct WILD's? I know that most claim that this is a "horrible" time to project and whatnot, but I'm a firm believer in the fact that you can do anything you set your mind towards.

Xanth · August 11, 2011, 21:29:52

What most people call a "WILD", I call Phasing.

Do a forum search here for "Phasing".

And perhaps check out my website for more organized information regarding Phasing!

c0sm0nautt · August 11, 2011, 23:58:27

I have never had a "direct" projection. I've tried probably a good 100 times over the past couple years too. I have had success using Raduga's indirect techniques... Actually the few nights I really concentrated on not moving when I woke up I projected nearly every time. Those techniques are great and also the "wake back to bed" method as well. Try some affirmations to wake up at a certain time... repeat them as you are falling the sleep. We have a very precise internal clock which does take commands.

Xanth · August 12, 2011, 00:08:59

That's because there is a certain level of meditation skilled required to do direct techniques.

c0sm0nautt · August 12, 2011, 02:55:40

I'm sure there is. I've been meditating for years but I must be doing it wrong.

Xanth · August 12, 2011, 08:56:37

Quote from: c0sm0nautt on August 12, 2011, 02:55:40
I'm sure there is. I've been meditating for years but I must be doing it wrong.

As I've found recently with myself (and I've been meditating for well over 15 years now)... that you can meditate correctly and still not phase. It requires that you place your Intent accordingly.

astraladdict · August 12, 2011, 10:18:08

Why do people say they meditate wrong? There is no wrong way, as long as your mind is focused on one thing your meditating. The goal of meditation is to improve focus and clear your mind.

~astraladdict

Xanth · August 12, 2011, 10:51:54

Quote from: astraladdict on August 12, 2011, 10:18:08
Why do people say they meditate wrong? There is no wrong way, as long as your mind is focused on one thing your meditating. The goal of meditation is to improve focus and clear your mind.

Well, there "is" a way to meditate wrong and that's not meditating. LoL

If your goal is to do Phasing, then there is an incorrect way of doing it... and that's "not focusing away from the physical".
Some meditations aren't geared towards reducing/removing that physical consciousness connection.

astraladdict · August 12, 2011, 11:04:58

I see what you mean, it's just i get aggravated when people say they meditate wrong. With meditation though you can use it for other purposes, but like i said, the overall goal of meditating is focus and silence the mind. With phasing i'd start off with teaching people to day dream. That'll not only help with the visualization, but you can also " phase" into the dream. So correct me if i'm wrong, day dreaming is another form of phasing.

~astraladdict

Xanth · August 12, 2011, 11:24:43

Quote from: astraladdict on August 12, 2011, 11:04:58
I see what you mean, it's just i get aggravated when people say they meditate wrong. With meditation though you can use it for other purposes, but like i said, the overall goal of meditating is focus and silence the mind. With phasing i'd start off with teaching people to day dream. That'll not only help with the visualization, but you can also " phase" into the dream. So correct me if i'm wrong, day dreaming is another form of phasing.

In my opinion, yup, day dreaming is a 'lighter' form of phasing. It's kind of like what Moen does... the whole "perceiving" another reality and not actually being there. Just kind of sensing it... feeling it.

Reliving a memory in your head in full detail (or as much as you can muster) is kind of the same thing.

astraladdict · August 12, 2011, 11:25:50

Quote from: Ryan_ on August 12, 2011, 11:24:43
In my opinion, yup, day dreaming is a 'lighter' form of phasing. It's kind of like what Moen does... the whole "perceiving" another reality and not actually being there. Just kind of sensing it... feeling it.

Reliving a memory in your head in full detail (or as much as you can muster) is kind of the same thing.

Yea, so i'd have new people start of with that, so when it comes to the "heavier" side of phasing they have some experience and had some of the ability built up.

~astraladdict

ayearhasgone · August 13, 2011, 19:44:59

What's weird is I'm a very vivid daydreamer, but phasing just doesn't seem to happen for me. Also, projecting into my subconscious would be fine, but I would prefer a full Objective Astral Experience. Or the RTZ.

Xanth · August 13, 2011, 20:11:58

Quote from: ayearhasgone on August 13, 2011, 19:44:59
What's weird is I'm a very vivid daydreamer, but phasing just doesn't seem to happen for me. Also, projecting into my subconscious would be fine, but I would prefer a full Objective Astral Experience. Or the RTZ.

People who daydream a lot are prime candidates for Phasing.
You're probably just missing one or two minor things... remember keeping your focus on what you're doing is very important. You won't phase if your attention is wandering.

newmethod · August 14, 2011, 05:15:15

Quote from: c0sm0nautt on August 11, 2011, 23:58:27
Actually the few nights I really concentrated on not moving when I woke up I projected nearly every time.

Yup, myself as well.. I've found this very effective at inducing an OBE very quickly or returning to the dream i was just having.. Thanks for reminding me of this one

newmethod · August 15, 2011, 08:32:59

Quote from: newmethod on August 14, 2011, 05:15:15
Yup, myself as well.. I've found this very effective at inducing an OBE very quickly or returning to the dream i was just having.. Thanks for reminding me of this one

Actually i manged this last night.. but the dream i was lucid in was earlier in the night.. i managed to get back to my body, experience vibes etc but i was DRAWN BACK into the dream again quite quickly.. was kind of like looking into one of those energetic portholes in Stargate or similar..

Cheers again c0sm0nautt for the reminder

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