DMT question

[Newoldsoul]

So I've been attempting obe conciously for a few months now with limited success. At one point i felt i was "over doing" it, in a sense that I became wayyy to analytical about what I was doing/trying to do. Anyway lately I've read a couple of books and lots of testimonials and plenty here on the pulse which is always inspiring and a couple of weeks ago I ran into an old friend of mine who is a big fan of psychadelics and he and I got to talking. Turns out he has a connection to DMT. Have been highly debating whether or not if I should get some as a sort of kick start to what I'm attempting and possibly have an incredible experience that may teach me more about what I want to know. Anyone have any suggestions or experience with such?

[Sagar]

I don't think you need anything to kick start OBE.  Just takes practice. 
If you want to do it for fun or something I mean live and let live.
This would be my biggest worry - I wouldn't want to become dependent on anything but myself to OBE, so that if I ever went without it, I could still OBE independently.
Food for thought..

[Loosh]

So I've been attempting obe conciously for a few months now with limited success. At one point i felt i was "over doing" it, in a sense that I became wayyy to analytical about what I was doing/trying to do. Anyway lately I've read a couple of books and lots of testimonials and plenty here on the pulse which is always inspiring and a couple of weeks ago I ran into an old friend of mine who is a big fan of psychadelics and he and I got to talking. Turns out he has a connection to DMT. Have been highly debating whether or not if I should get some as a sort of kick start to what I'm attempting and possibly have an incredible experience that may teach me more about what I want to know. Anyone have any suggestions or experience with such?

Ive heard it's wild but I agree don't let that be the only way. You can get there yourself naturally.

[dotster]

DMT is not something that you would become dependent on by any means. It's not something you crave to do over and over again, it's just too overwhelming. Think of it more as a teacher than a drug. Whether we know it, consciously or not, we are all at least a little frightened of being "out of body" or focused on an aspect of consciousness that is not as intimately familiar to us as waking reality. We might be fascinated by the idea and think: "Oh it would be so much fun to be out of body!" and therefore assume that we aren't afraid of it, but this is simply not true. We are conditioned to live here in waking life and this is the only reality where we truly feel comfortable in our skin, so to speak. DMT can be an aid when learning to overcome this barrier. It will make you feel uncomfortable and it will make you face your fear. Death is the true fear here, and we are all scared of it because it is the biggest unknown to humanity, but DMT will help you to realize that death is not the end, only another focus; we never truly end. When you take DMT correctly you will most likely panic, thinking that you might have died or are dying and you will have no awareness of any sort of physical body. You will do one of 2 things at this point: You will succumb to the fear and when you come back around you will have learned nothing except more fear, or you can accept the fact that even if you have died you are still aware, still existing, still experiencing. Life is not all that we see, hear, feel, smell and taste here; it goes on. What we experience as waking life is only a small fraction of a greater reality. It is not for the weak-minded and it should not be taken lightly. I was not prepared the first time I tried it, and I didn't attempt it again for a few years. Being open-minded to the "bigger picture" of reality is a must. I would suggest contemplating death and what it really means to you before attempting it, because this is the fear you will be faced with. If you think about it, death is the root of almost all other fears. Death and Pain, the brothers of fear yes? DMT will not kill you, don't misunderstand me, but it will confront you with it, and you should be prepared for that. If you can overcome the fear of death even just a little then experiencing the greater reality will be less of a challenge. Sure you can practice and practice and with patience and time you will come to the same realization. DMT is like that crazy friend that is standing with you at the top of a huge cliff overlooking the sea 100 feet below and pushes you off. Will you sink or swim? Or perhaps will you dodge the push and just hike down the goat trail that runs down the side of the cliff the slow and seemingly safer way and spend some time soaking your toes before you go for a dip? The choice is yours to make. We all live life our own way.

[Newoldsoul]

Thank you all for the replies. I don't want to use it as a means of the only way I can one or otherwise experience what I'm not conciously aware of. Kick start may have been a poor choice of words on my part. What I want from it is for it to show me what it is I'm missing and perhaps if it decides teach me how to obtain what I'm after conciously. The reasoning behind my wanting to take it is the fact I won't have an option to resist once I take it. I've experienced 'magic mushrooms', lsd, lsa etc. they all have their place and their own teachings. I'm looking at DMT as A tool or key to unlocking the door that's closed to me while I'm concious and aware. That being said, I will still be patiently attempting obe 'sober'.

[Sagar]

DMT is not something that you would become dependent on by any means. It's not something you crave to do over and over again

I'm not talking about becoming dependent on it in an addiction type of way.  I meant that personally, I wouldn't want that to be my "vehicle" out of body so to speak, or my catalyst for projection. 
Here's an example - someone using laxatives to go to the bathroom for so long, now they can't use the restroom without them.
Here's not an example - Becoming addicted to chewing tobacco

See the difference?

[dotster]

I'm not talking about becoming dependent on it in an addiction type of way.  I meant that personally, I wouldn't want that to be my "vehicle" out of body so to speak, or my catalyst for projection. 
Here's an example - someone using laxatives to go to the bathroom for so long, now they can't use the restroom without them.
Here's not an example - Becoming addicted to chewing tobacco

See the difference?

I see the distinction you are making, they are ultimately both still dependencies however. You misunderstand my post though. It's like having a teacher to teach you to multiply instead of trying to figure out on your own what multiplication even is in the first place. Once you learn multiplication you don't need the teacher anymore to understand it. Same with DMT. You're laxative example does not apply here. DMT is not a long term drug if used correctly; it is not a crutch. It only takes a few experiences to really sink in, if not one tremendous one. The biggest mistake would be attempting to use it recreationally, for "fun". This would be impractical and in my opinion irresponsible. As I said though, we all live life our own way and we all have the freedom to decided how we will live it. If it doesn't resonate with you then I wouldn't recommend it. We are all heading in the same direction, we just take different paths.

[Sagar]

So lets say you take DMT and project and its wonderful - that's all great.  But what happens when you want to project and you sit there stuck in a trance for a few hours every night?
I would imagine you'd get the DMT.

I think your math example is wrong.  Math teachers teach you multiplication. Now you know it. Great.
Taking DMT isn't helping you learn HOW to get out.  It's just helping you get out.

It would be like the math teacher taking your tests for you and then asking you to do it after she earned you a few 100%'s. 

[Xanth]

Learn to do it on your own first, THEN use the chemicals.

Reason being is that (and most people usually have absolutely no clue of this because they're so focused on the goal) the goal of actually "projecting" isn't the point.
You know the saying that the journey is more important than the destination... well with Projection, nothing could be more true.

Learning to project isn't about PROJECTING... it's about learning about yourself and making discoveries that you would never have even considered in the first place.

But go ahead... if you feel you must.  You're simply cheating yourself out of valuable experience.

[Sagar]

Learning to project isn't about PROJECTING... it's about learning about yourself and making discoveries that you would never have even considered in the first place.

I could not agree more.  I learned more about my own belief systems, morals, values, etc from the journey of learning to OBE, than from any "Dream" or remote viewing or projection itself. 
Of course I did learn things from "dreams" my remote viewing and my projection, but it still doesn't come close.

Learn to do it on your own first, THEN use the chemicals.

After all the hard work you've devoted to it - long nights spent meditating, countless hours researching, and asking questions on the Pulse, maybe working with energy - you may not even feel a need to at that point because you'll be so overwhelmingly proud of yourself that YOU did it.  All YOU.  Through all the hard work.

[dotster]

As I said, we all live our own lives and make our own decisions.  I suppose it's just a matter of opinion/perspective. Just because you take a different path doesn't mean you won't end up in the same "place" having learned the same lessons. In both instances you are only learning of yourself, so I don't see how any "cheating" could be implied . I spent years trying to phase and the first success I had was after reading your primer, Ryan. I experienced 3D Blackness and it made me thirst for more so I kept going and I reached a point where I was comfortable enough to look for outside help, and help it did. I respect both of your opinions, especially you Ryan, but ultimately I have to share my own personal experience and how it has helped me because that is MY truth and MY reality. I HAVE experienced DMT and the above posts reflect my view on the subject. I lived in Brazil on and off for around 7 years and the mindset down there is completely opposite to what it is here in North America. They see no harm in having a teacher, nor do I. Going back to my example, I doubt I would have learned much arithmetic without the help of another. All DMT does is help you to know YOU better, so it seems to be a bit of a moot point to me.

[dotster]

So lets say you take DMT and project and its wonderful - that's all great.  But what happens when you want to project and you sit there stuck in a trance for a few hours every night?
I would imagine you'd get the DMT.

I think your math example is wrong.  Math teachers teach you multiplication. Now you know it. Great.
Taking DMT isn't helping you learn HOW to get out.  It's just helping you get out.

It would be like the math teacher taking your tests for you and then asking you to do it after she earned you a few 100%'s. 

It helps you with the FEAR of getting out, that is all. I don't know how you could tell me what DMT does and doesn't do having never experienced it yourself. This seems illogical. I don't relate DMT and phasing at all. Phasing is a completely different experience to me. DMT you have no control over whatsoever. It is not something you would want to use to OBE. I have goals in mind when I phase. Goals are irrelevant on DMT because control does not exist.

[Xanth]

I don't like the direction this thread is taking... it's bordering a bit too much on the "let's all take chemicals to project" line.

Temporarily locking this for moderator discussion.

[Xanth]

Conclusion:  Thread is remaining locked. 

The thread will remain, if for the only purpose to point people to the AUP addition: 
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/aup_addendum_must_read-t44678.0.html

Please read it in conjunction with this thread so that it's fully understood that the Astral Pulse and it's moderator team do not and CAN NOT endorse the use of any chemical for the express purposes of experiencing an altered reality.