What degree of split consciousness can this be?

[piyal_14]

Hello again everyone!!
I wrote about my first OBE just a few days back and yet again i want to share the experience that I had last night which was partially deliberate but still I did not understand it fully!
First off, to start with I have undertaken several tests before and everytime i have been detected slightly "autistic", as Lionheart stated once!! Maybe this can then explain my last night's experience!
Ok so i start. Last night i slept alone in my room and had dim lights on the whole time. I lay down straight and started to concentrate on my breath. I have no idea when i had drifted off to sleep. Then i felt the typical vibrations though this time i did not feel the paralysis completely. My body lifted a little. This time i tried not to get scared and i lifted up one arm. It was transparent in a way i cannot explain. I wanted to explore a little more, so i tried sitting up and rolling out of bed and i succeeded very fast! Soon i was standing in a corner of my room and i could see my physical body sleeping. I went to the door which was right next to me and tried putting only my face through it. This was a very weird feeling because i could feel the depths of the door touching my face and at the same time i was looking at the corridor outside. I was excited and i pulled my face backward again. But then something very weird happened. I was now looking at my physical body which was sitting up and looking at me (a certain scared look in it's eyes). I remember gliding towards it and trying to tell it not to be scared of anything. And the next thing i know i was sleeping on my bed again. But i did not wake up after that either.
I dont know how far an improvement this was or whether this was "just another dream" because this time i did not even feel myself drifting back into my own body.

[catmeow]

Well, that's a new one on me! In the astral, we often see what we unconsciously expect to see.. Unconsciously, you presumably had the notion that your physical body was watching your astral body, and getting spooked by it! This unconscious idea then caused you to see a scenario which matched your unconscious expectation. These are called "reality fluctuations" and they are a pain. How do we know what is real and what is a reality fluctuation?

I can think of an alternative explanation, but it's a bit "advanced" and hard to explain. I'll have a quick go. Here we go. We have part of our consciousness working at many reality levels simultaneously. So whilst you were conscious in the astral, your physical body was conscious too. It's possible that your physical body actually saw your astral body and became spooked. The astral version of you was aware telepathically that the physical body was spooked and manufactured the scenario that you perceived, ie your physical body sitting up looking spooked. When you returned to your physical body, your astral memories "over wrote" your physical body memories, so you had no recollection of being physically spooked. Refer to Robert Bruce's book Astral Dynamics for more info on this mind split effect.

Alternatively it could have just been a weird dream. But trust me on this, it wasn't!.

I have heard of, and experienced many weird OOBEs which seemed to defy all explanation other than "weird dream". But every now and then one of these "weird dreams" involves a friend or acquaintance. When we mention the weird dream to this friend or acquaintance, guess what? It turns out they had the same dream! So I never dismiss any of these experiences as just a "weird dream"!

[Bedeekin]

Hello again everyone!!
I wrote about my first OBE just a few days back and yet again i want to share the experience that I had last night which was partially deliberate but still I did not understand it fully!
First off, to start with I have undertaken several tests before and everytime i have been detected slightly "autistic", as Lionheart stated once!! Maybe this can then explain my last night's experience!
Ok so i start. Last night i slept alone in my room and had dim lights on the whole time. I lay down straight and started to concentrate on my breath. I have no idea when i had drifted off to sleep. Then i felt the typical vibrations though this time i did not feel the paralysis completely. My body lifted a little. This time i tried not to get scared and i lifted up one arm. It was transparent in a way i cannot explain. I wanted to explore a little more, so i tried sitting up and rolling out of bed and i succeeded very fast! Soon i was standing in a corner of my room and i could see my physical body sleeping. I went to the door which was right next to me and tried putting only my face through it. This was a very weird feeling because i could feel the depths of the door touching my face and at the same time i was looking at the corridor outside. I was excited and i pulled my face backward again. But then something very weird happened. I was now looking at my physical body which was sitting up and looking at me (a certain scared look in it's eyes). I remember gliding towards it and trying to tell it not to be scared of anything. And the next thing i know i was sleeping on my bed again. But i did not wake up after that either.
I dont know how far an improvement this was or whether this was "just another dream" because this time i did not even feel myself drifting back into my own body.

That's a nice one... a really good one.

I'll take a guess... you were RTZ projecting and you did sit up... You were RTZ projecting and somehow saw your nonphsycal self sit up.

Ive had 2 experiences that are similar.

The first was where I projected... bounced along the floor of my bedroom towards the door.. then I was aware of myself lying in bed... then I projected again, this time up and out my bedroom window... then my focus evidently whipped back to the first projection which was now outside my bedroom door... then back again to the physical... where I projected again but into a different room that was heavily sunlit... then I was back in the one outside my bedroom window, watching a milkman deliver milk to my neighbours house.

the other one...


20/11/95
02:15am
I was lying in my front room. I phased into an OOBE and found myself floating sideways across the doorway to the room I was lying in. The sliding door to the room was halfway open. As I approached the opening of the door, (again sideways) I noted that there were red glittery sparkly things to the right of my view and the sun appeared to be shining on the wall against the fireplace. As I slowly glided sideways and saw Kathryn sitting on the sofa that I was supposed to be on. She had what appeared to be a cup of coffee in her hand. She suddenly looked at me and her face grew ashen. She said "Ben?" and leant over to her left to do something that was blocked from my view by the edge of sliding door..... I exited the OOBE before I saw why she was leaning over... I phased back to normal.


A month later we were sitting in the front room... it was christmas... Me and Kathryn were watching saturday morning TV. She suddenly blurted "Ben?" and shook my leg... she had a mug of orange juice in her hand. She said she had just seen what appeared to be a whispy bit of black chiffon glide past the door. I showed her the above diary entry. There was red christmas tinsel around the door frame.

So I evidently saw an event a month in advance. Had I seen me watching TV, it would have been more close to yours because I would have been doing something I wasn't doing... at that time.

[catmeow]

Interesting experiences Bedeekin, esp no 2. So as I said, what at the time we might dismiss as a "weird dream", because it doesn't agree with what we know at the time, later, and in your case 1 month later, is shown to be more than "just a weird dream".

[Bedeekin]

Yeah... although a very focused one.

I think when we dream 'normally' this information is relayed in a much more subconscious muddled manner.

You could say that a dream version of experience no2 would have been me Visiting a grotto covered in red tinsel with Kathrn trapped in a big mug of juice. I wouldn't think anything unusual about the dream.. and probably wouldn't make the connection.

What is interesting though is that I was seeing this from an external POV... that of my apparent free floating point of awareness. You would think that I would see this future event through my experience of watching saturday morning TV.

But then... consciousness is most probably definitely nonlocal anyway.

[piyal_14]

OMG!! So this whole astral projection thing seems to be very complicated too!! 
But atleast i'm happy that though my physical body did look spooked at the time, I do not recollect seeing my astral self through my physical eyes (because that would have then spooked the "real me" out for days). As Catmeow said the astral must have "overwritten" those memories.

But i think what Bedeekin described here could have been a totally different situation, i mean unlike mine! This seems to me more like a "deja vu" type of situation !! And it's also very interesting! But how did Kathrin see his astral form even a month later when he was actually not out there projecting astrally??

btw can anyone explain what a Real Time Zone projection means?   

[piyal_14]

Hi Catmeow and Bedeekin...
Here is something interesting that i found which could be a possible explanation of the physical and the astral body being awake at the same time. Please check this link:
http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/astral-projection-training/treatise-on-astral-projection/67-part-7.html

[catmeow]

Hi piyal,

It's great that you are doing this research! As it happens you have found the same information I mentioned in my post, namely the "mind split" effect. This was popularised by Robert Bruce and first explained in his book Astral Dynamics. It's very good info and worth reading carefully.

An RTZ projection is a projection into the physical world environment. So if you project out of your body and end up standing in your bedroom, then this is the RTZ (Real Time Zone). This is how many projections start. Some people remain in the RTZ, fly down their street etc. But usually, an RTZ projection quickly shifts to the astral.

To explain Bedeekin's projection no 2, it's quite simple really. He projected 1 month into the future. So that's why Kathryn could see him and he could see the Christmas decorations.

[Bedeekin]

But i think what Bedeekin described here could have been a totally different situation, i mean unlike mine! This seems to me more like a "deja vu" type of situation !! And it's also very interesting! But how did Kathrin see his astral form even a month later when he was actually not out there projecting astrally??

What catmeow said and a nice description from Bruce... but to add... you may have been seeing yourself from another time... it just hasn't happened yet.

I didn't experience 'deja vu' at the time of the event. It was more a realisation that the event took place after she had seen the shadow/it/me. Then I had to jog her memory of when I told her about it a month before.

[Lionheart]

OMG!! So this whole astral projection thing seems to be very complicated too!! 

Yes, it can be. Why not just practice getting to the NPR (Non-Physical Reality) for awhile and then question later what really happened. Get some successful projections under your belt before you analyze it. After a month or so you will see a pattern. It's also much more fun doing this. Sometimes the more you question, the more confused you get and that is always counterproductive!
Good Luck and Safe Travels! 

[piyal_14]

Wow! So you sort of "traveled in time" !! Now that makes me think that there is much more to what the human mind can do than we really think it can!! In fact we underestimate it totally!! Maybe this can lead to something great in the future!!  
Thanks a lot for all the information that you guys provided me!
Ok there is one more thing that i want to ask...is there any possible harm in astral travelling?? I mean since i've got to know about it, i often feel like i want to try it again...because it seems to me amazing and a very big mystery...I want to discover more and more...So is there a possibility that it becomes addictive?? Can it lead to a feeling of detachment from the real world if practiced too much??