Teaching with Patience

[Adrian]

Greetings Mozia!

Well quite frankly, I think the first thing you need to do is to discuss this openly with your wife, explaining to her what it is that interests you about Astral projection and why. It is very unfortunate that she felt compelled to "confiscate" your copy of Astral Dynamics as if she was saving yourself (or herself) from something adverse, when nothing could be further from the truth. I would suggest that your objective should then be to amicably secure the return of your book, in order that you can pursue your path openly.

Good luck!

Adrian.

[Mozia]

Hi Adrian,

Maybe I put it down to harshly (Confiscate),  She didn't really confiscate it from me.   When I told her the first time about it 1 year back, she said that she understands that this is part of me but that she doesn't want anything to do with it since it goes against her beliefs.  About 6 months later, I was reading a document I downloaded from the Internet on Astral Travel and she asked me to explain it to her, so I did and she didn't like the idea  at all and
although she knows I think different about a lot of things she asked me not to continue reading up or practicing it, because she feels uncumfortable with it and I said that I'd not do it while she's around.  Then when I got back from london 3 months back with the book in my lugage she found it and put it onto our book case and asked me why I bought it and so on...  So it's more that I don't want to upset her by taking it with me, it's right there I look at it every day it's
more out of respect for her that I don't want to take the book from there.
I've tried to explain to her that it is one of the most wonderful gifts we have etc.  But she won't budge from the fact that we're not supposed to meddle in the spirit world and that if it was so natural why isn't everybody doing it etc.  This is just a very shortened version of our 5 hour discussion, so I decided that I'd respect her views and not to upset her with this anymore,  but I can't just leave everything I've learned behind me.  I've tried, but It comes back every day almost like a craving or someone calling me the whole time in the back of my mind.

Hope this explains that a bit better.

Mozia

[filipcza]

Well, I think that it is time for you to learn these things and that's why you feel pull to these things. You're wife may not be ready for these things, so she is afraid of them. Is she religious, or why is she against it all? You should not try to convert her to believer, cause I believe that is not right thing to do(or even possible). But she should also respect your path, and not judge you, or OBE, just because she is afraid of it. After all, she doesn't have to do it.(well, consciously anyway)

You should try to get to the root of her fear. What is it that she is really afraid of? Losing you, you getting mad, you going to hell, or what? You should tell her lovingly that this is what you really want to explore, and that nothing is gonna make you stop loving her, or stop being around her. I think that's the real fear she has. Tell her also that there are plenty of sain, reasonable people who do it, and that it is perfectly safe, because we do it anyway every night.You can tell eg. that Robert has done it all his life, and if he hasn't been harmed by it then no one can.

I sincerely hope that you can resolve this peacefully

Love is the key and answer to the final question, why?

-Pete

[Adrian]

Greetings Mozia!

And thanks for your contribution in suggestions in resolving Mozia's situation Filipcza which I make alot of sense.

It would be useful to find out through discussion exactly what her fears are. It is by no means unusual for people to react in this way, and often it is due to the restrictions of belief systems etc.. Othertimes it is fear of the unknown of perceived consequences in dealing in areas which are regarded as "occult" or "paranormal".

One solution might be to ask her to listen to the sound archives of Robert's Art Bell interview with you. Roberts great sincerity and descriptiveness in these areas might assist her understanding of these things.

Good luck!

Kind regards,

Adrian.

[DOA]

My wife is same way so i have practiced hidden from her.  Im sure that is why it has taken me so long to have good results.  I have had some results but I cant do it on a consistant basis.   I have often wondered what subconsciously she is sending out about it and if she is so negative how that influences my energy.  She wont even discuss it she thinks its evil and she is afraid.

[Roger]

Welcome Mozia.  Your wife, in my opinion, may not be at the same point in her spiritual growth (I narrowly avoided the phrase "spiritual journey" ) or have the same level of curiousity.  If you feel determined to explain it to her, you might try reminding her:

1) That it is a mechanism built into us BY GOD HIMSELF.  Like all other mechanisms we are born with, it was put there to be used.

2) AP happens naturally to all people virtually every night, it may just be shrowded in mystery because it happens typically unconsciously IN THE DARK and AT NIGHT.

3) It has been given a bum rap, in my opinion, by overly New Age types who try to act as mysterious, esoteric and distant as possible when discussing things like these.  It has been obscured by a cloud of half-truths and fear that has given alot of people a negative predisposition.

Learn a conscious OBE is to me, as evil as trying to learn to sneeze with your eyes open - but without the whole "ear drums exploding" side-effect.  

[Mozia]

Hello again.

Yip my wife is a christian and I'm thought of as one too.  I think this whole situation might be the main reason why I haven't been able to leave my body yet (my wife's negativity towards it and my religious background.).  I'm not exactly sure how to overcome this yet, I guess I have to learn something from all this first.

Mozia

PS. Does anyone know if mr Bruce's interview on Art Bell can be found anywhere online for download.

Edited by - Mozia on 06 March 2002  10:56:39

[andy]

Hi Mozia,

I will not go into my own unfortunate story about this subject other than to say that this matter destroyed my life temporarly and only now is normalcy being restored.
I do not know what belief system of the christian church your wife belongs to but advise you strongly to deeply research it to avoid what happened to me.If you feel confident about her beliefs and stability you may want to proceed with disscusion.But if you have any doubts I recomend you keep it a secret for one simple reason.
Your wife will most proably start sharing her concerns with like minded christians.
If these turn out to be what I call nazi-chistians be very aware that you might get burned at the stake,as I did.

Its up to you to weigh the options but when doing so leave nothing
out!

Best of luck,Andy  (:

[Roger]

Mozia,

There may be a feeling of guilt that you'll need to overcome.  You may associate AP with the occult or witchcraft subconsiously.  It would seem something that you will overcome in time when you realize that you are already doing it every night.  It's no more evil or unnatural than sleep itself.

On your other point, Art Bell's website has an option to get a "Streamlink" account where you can hear all broadcasts from the last 60 days.  I'd highly recommend it.  Robert's interview on it was fascinating.

[filipcza]

The Robert Bruce interview can be found on this forum under the heading "The Robert Bruce interviews" there are two mp3 files, 40 minutes each. Great interview, go for it!

[Veo]

I also wanted to respond to your original question about some kind of day by program you might follow. Turns out that there is a great one right here on this site. Its called the Astral Dynamics Workbook. From the main page click on Training Guides (in the links across the top) At the very bottom of the page is the title "The Astral Dynamics Workbook" (click on that)

"This is the long-awaited 90 day OBE program, created from Astral Dynamics by Brian Mercer. This applies a goal-oriented structure to the knowledge given in Astral Dynamics, in an easy-to-follow day by day program; fully referenced to the relevant pages in Astral Dynamics..."

Of course, you'll want to resolve things with your fiancé. Perhaps looking at this as the first big challenge that you face - both in learning to live with another person and in learning to Astral project. Think long about what it will be like living with someone that either you must hide your truth from or who prevents you from following your heart. Possibly Astral projection is just the first thing that you have come across. This is the perfect opportunity to forge the communication and trust that is so important in any relationship - don't back away from it. The need to be able to express your truth honestly and openly will never go away.

All the best,
Veo

[Mozia]

Hi there all

Well, I'm a new member here and hope what I'll be asking in this post is not offensive or inappropriate in any way, if it is please just ignore it or let me know.
K, basically this post is about me asking help from someone with a lot of patience.  First off I'll give a brief history of my experience or involvement with Astral Projection.  It was about 2 years back when I first stumbled accross the topic of astal projection ( I believe for a reason) while I was surfing the net.  At first it sounded outrageous to me due to the way I was brought up and I just left the site, then about 2 weeks later I accidentlally got to a site discussing it again and as I'm quite open minded (I believe that in any case) I thought it wouldn't hurt to read a bit about it to at least know what it really is and what implications it has on ones life.  As I read and realized that most of us leaves our bodies every night when whe go to sleep etc.  It all made sense to me and It explained the times when I was younger and I would find myself looking at "myself" as if I was out of my body.  Since then I've been reading everything I could get on the net about it and about 7 months back I decided to try to leave my body voluntarily, I managed to feel my body getting heavier and feel vibrations over or through my whole body but till this day that is about as far as I got.  I heard about mr Bruce's book from a online friend and first read the online documents in "Treatise on OBE" and then managed to get a copy of "Astral Dynamics" while I was in London at the end of last year.  I started reading it and got to the end of part 1 right before I had to start on the new Energy ways when my fiance now wife confescated the book, since she doesn't fancy me studying it and doesn't want to know anything about it.
So here's my request, I think that if someone could take me from a step one position and give me day by day or week by week instructions on what to do and me then reporting back to that person, telling about my experiences on a regular basis via e-mail, that I might just get through that barrier I'm stuck at since I don't see me practicing on my own taking me any further.

Best wishes
Mozia