does AP exist?draw an post what you see in AP here

Skudgett · October 19, 2003, 07:02:55

yes it does[|)]

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 07:11:27

how do u know, i think its fake at the moment, whether u can change my mind is up to u but theres no proof!!!!!!

Skudgett · October 19, 2003, 07:19:33

what do you mean by theres no proof loads of people have done it!

even my own mum has [|)]

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 07:20:11

what about the bible? is that tru? how do we know? how do u know?
anyone could be god! i could be god?or a godess?whos to know i could make sum story up, get people to believe it and then say that its tru, noone would know any different would they! c? i hope u understand my point what i am trying to get accross!!!
tell me what u think

Risu no Kairu · October 19, 2003, 07:25:16

Yeah, it's real. How can you know for sure? Do it yourself.

Please, stop breaking all of the unwritten rules of Internet communication. Stop using all caps, use grammar and puncuation, and actually spell words. It's not that difficult.

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 07:29:24

ok ok ok , calm down! im just trying to figure out my life and why the things are the way they are, thats all, im jus confused

Mustardseed · October 19, 2003, 07:45:33

It is true Lau something does happen. However......what this something is, is another thing. Is there a God? I think so. Is the Bible real? I think so, others do not. Can I prove it? No. Can they prove it is not? No. Its faith, so go with your gut feeling, or pray ask seek and then you will find the truth for yourself.
Regards Mustardseed,

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 08:01:08

thankyou for that. i guess i just have to go with what i feel is right at this time, i just needed some proof or somthing that i can relate to as being real or true.
lau xx

Skudgett · October 19, 2003, 08:10:27

why dont u try doing it for yourself [|)]

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 08:14:18

ok then i will, draw me a pic on mircosoft paint of what you see whilst astral projecting and post the picture then i will believe in it

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 08:17:10

yeah or no?you can make me believe if u do it! that goes to anyone who reads this aswell!!!!!!!!!!!

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 08:32:34

show me

Jeff_Mash · October 19, 2003, 09:51:08

quote:
Originally posted by lau_lauz

yeah or no?you can make me believe if u do it! that goes to anyone who reads this aswell!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you have dreams? Do dreams really exist? I don't believe you. I want you to prove to me that you have dreams.

Do you see how silly that question is? I can't prove to YOU that OBE's are real, just like you can't prove to me that dreams are real.

The simple fact is that those of us who have had an out of body experience KNOW that it's real, because we are the ones who experiences it firsthand. If you would like to know that it's real, you cannot, I repeat, cannot have someone simply draw you a picture, or explain what it is like in detail.

First, you have to believe in that which you can't see, or have never experienced. Once you believe that it's true, then you will be more apt to seek for it.

Then, continue to read any books or online articles relating to OBE's, all the while telling yourself that you believe that even YOU can experience these things.

Then have an open mind, practice practice practice, and perhaps one day in the near future, we will be reading about your experiences.

Just remember, for some people, they have an OBE within a day or two after trying. For others, it may take years. There is no set of rules which always apply.

But my point of this post was to convince you that no one will ever be able to convince you that it's real. You must accept that they are real, just as dreams are real, and then you must accept that you can have one.

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 11:09:34

u see i a god and astral does not exist cos i say this is the dream i had in my experience hahahh

Jeff_Mash · October 19, 2003, 11:24:51

quote:
Originally posted by lau_lauz

u see i a god and astral does not exist cos i say this is the dream i had in my experience hahahh

For being a god, you have horrendous spelling errors. Remind me never to worship you.

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 11:33:03

SOPHIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how great u are !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 11:42:37

i need your help with someting here? please can you help me?

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Hyperdimensional · October 19, 2003, 12:12:56

Jeff Mash,

I agree with your comments,

lau_luz,

Astral projection exists, the astral world is nonphysical, so you can't expect any proof of AP in the physical world.

Best regards

Logic · October 19, 2003, 12:39:20

lau_lauz please stop posting stupid garbage.

lau_lauz · October 19, 2003, 12:54:49

its not but u are u just jealous

Logic · October 19, 2003, 13:05:50

wow, you're an idiot.

Skudgett · October 19, 2003, 13:11:59

i think you pic is really good lau you can tell your an artist ![|)]

in case anyone wants to see it http://www.geocities.co%20%20%20%20m/skudgett/index.html

i put it up because laura couldnt get it up

Amadeth · October 19, 2003, 15:23:14

I don't know why do I even bother typing this...
I'm not here to prove you anything lau_lauz. Why should I bother if you believe in OBE's or not? I don't understand how low you can go as to ask for a proof!
Everyone has a right to believe in whatever they wish. Everyone has their own path to enlightment.

If you believe in it, it exists.
If you don't believe in it, it doesn't exist.
Now, believe what you want; I couldn't care less.

jc84corvette · October 19, 2003, 15:44:27

THE AP EXIST

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shaman · October 20, 2003, 08:25:12

Laura,

that's a wonderfull posting! you are facing the problem by facing it and are not afraid of holding the bull by his horns if I might say....

You question is basically "prove me that the astral is a reality and not just a dream"... well first of all there are many here who could give you personal example where they got the proof for themselves, and they got real proof, not just "believe", but they cannot give you a proof. Let me be more precise, someone (say A) OBE and in the OBE met someone else (say B). The next day that person (B) mentions that she had a dream about A and when A and B meet they find out they had the same dream... So that is a proof for A and B but not for you I guess.

So I suggest you to be patient, I will try to give you a proof to YOU. These proofs are as follows: I have from time to time premonitory dreams, where I see events, and these events happen a few days later. In many cases these are not personal events, but events that can be checked in the news. Is that a proof good enough for you that these IS something there. (what is it is another question).

I already posted such a "proof" in the prophecy and divination section under the title "premonitions in the middle east", where the main vision was a "political" one, where Israeli PM Sharon was calling for the troops to enter the palestinian territories. As you will see there are additional things which I have been unable to interprete, but the basic "vision" was correct. Is that enough for you? Laura? Sophie? (I am not sure I think you are together).

Shaman The Dreamer

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