Why on earth would you want to attack without provocation? or even with provocation?
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jouni
hmmm im excited to hear what happens.
This post was meant to be a reply to the subject about a dragon that is capturing people and eating them alive. Some people were mentioning that they would like to defeat the dragon so i was just wondering what would happen if you lost.
I must've missed the discussion. It sounds like runaway emotions.
My guess: You'd get booted back to your body.
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jouni
Its olmost kinda like a video game when you lose to the dragon, game over will come up, at least in my terminology, and if you win well ya get a braaannnd new CARRRR!!! i dont know what kind though lol[:P]
its probably not safe to assume people are following other topics.
Yeah thats what i thoguht. Thanks for the answer.
dragon eating ppl? it cant hurt you since its in the astral plane.. so dont worry about it.
I read the thread by Frere.
It seems to me that it's a reflection based on a common mythological manifestation. What it is a reflection of is hard to tell. Perhaps the fear of entering a region that seems like one is being swallowed.
Also I think the more you fight this type of situation the more difficult it becomes to get rid of it.
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jouni
Someone should start a post on whether you could get injured in the astral plane...wait...I just did...so check it out.
It might be possible to face down a dragon. Mighty unlikely but still possible. [:O]
There are been various reports of encounters with dragons in the astral planes (not ethereal planes) and many other creatures too. Why anyone would want to engage a creature as powerful as a dragon is another question.[?]
If a fight did take place and the person lost then that person would most likely be banished from that astral plane for a Very Long time. Maybe permanently. It's doubtful that the person would actually suffer any injuries, either physical or nonphysical. Maybe injuries Could be sustained as a result of an out of body encounter. I don't know for certain, it just seems highly unlikely. [B)]
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Originally posted by shadowatcher
Someone should start a post on whether you could get injured in the astral plane...wait...I just did...so check it out.
no harm can be done in the astral. you have nothing that
can be harmed. you're just a free point of consciousness basically, from what i understand..
as far as being banned from the astral, the only thing that can ban you from the astral is dogma/your subconscious. its almost like an idea that was created to stop people from ap'ing if theyd been trying to do 'bad' things. there is nothing to ban you from the astral just as there is nothing that can really ban you from the physical. except maybe a gun or a knife or a heavy club or something.. a car operated by a drunk... but those things are different [:)]
I'm sure it comes from his training. Basic move in an RPG. When you encounter unkown entities, and they don't have a dialog pop up, it's usually a random battle, so you fight them. Unless your HP is low. In that case, you might want to select the RUN AWAY option and hope they don't hit you from behind.
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Originally posted by jilola
I read the thread by Frere.
It seems to me that it's a reflection based on a common mythological manifestation. What it is a reflection of is hard to tell. Perhaps the fear of entering a region that seems like one is being swallowed.
Also I think the more you fight this type of situation the more difficult it becomes to get rid of it.
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jouni
Yes. Perhaps the Dragon in question is an Archetype. Some say, myself included, this one represents primal power, the Kundalini. Perhaps it is a Portent. Mother Shipton also saw a Dragon in her visions. Perhaps it is the same Dragon, that would be one way of explaining the Dragon eating lots of people. While the Kundalini does so in more subtle ways.
Dragons are reported in the Astral and so are human beings. Humans tend to fight, maim and kill just about anything that seems frightening. So I could see why a person would want to attack and kill a Dragon. Although it is not what I would choose.
If it's a mother shipton like Dragon, kiss your butt goodbye, or get someone else to do it for you. LOL. [:O]
Love always.
I'd just like to see it. could you imagine that? Being able to see a real dragon, that would just be too cool for words.
No leaf clover -
your quote
>>>as far as being banned from the astral, the only thing that can ban you from the astral is dogma/your subconscious. its almost like an idea that was created to stop people from ap'ing if theyd been trying to do 'bad' things. there is nothing to ban you from the astral just as there is nothing that can really ban you from the physical. except maybe a gun or a knife or a heavy club or something.. a car operated by a drunk... but those things are different <<<<
My question is how do you KNOW there is no greater power that could ban a troublesome or violent person from an astral (or ethereal) plane[?] Apparently you do not believe in God or the concept of a Supreme Being[?]
While I respect anyone opinions and beliefs on this matter I hold to my personal experience. And that indicates that it is possible to enforce a ban in certain super-physical realms. [:O]
That's true, Grey, I don't believe in such things in the way you might think of them. IMO, there's nothing that will judge you and send you to Heaven or Hell after death, nothing that prefers some people over others simply because of religious beliefs that it itself offered mankind, and nothing that will ban you from the astral planes. The closest thing to a monotheistic God that I believe in is the way karma works, and that's pretty far off.
How do you know that there's something that can ban you from the astral planes? That'd be like chopping out a whole chunk of your spirit.
From Monroe :
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"A lot of the teaching talks about being a good person, being non-violent and generally cooperating with others. I note, though, that people through the ages have taken this to mean only Spiritually pure people, and the like, can have access to the Astral. Which is not true.
You can be as evil as they come and the Astral will welcome you with open arms."
If there's a Supreme Being (I wont give it a theological discussion) then I guess it doesnt belong to the Astral, as for the Physical, but a far Supreme Plane - yet I cant talk about it but some people as RB say to have experienced some cool things on this topic. Basically I think you assume that "God" wont "ban" you from the Physical as it is an inferior plane he doesnt have to deal with - for any spiritual reason like being tested down here. I assume thats exactly the same for the Astral.
Personally, I see real dragons everywhere. But I think I'm just crazy. No, I just am always thinking about them; I've always loved the leviathans..If I knew how to contact my animal guide, or if I was advanced enough for it to contact me, I about about 80% certain it would be a dragon. Also, once I obtain a bit of regularity in my astral travels, I would probably assume the form of one now and then - I used to dream I was a dragon.
- Mark
Also, I'm not quite sure why you'd want to attack a dragon either - and I'm not sure why they always get the bad guy rep...You might as well be angry at the earthworm for tunneling through the soil...Indubitably, dragons hold the key to many mystical secrets - whether they're all in our minds or not, they will always be my favorite myth.
Fyrenze, I don't think your crazy at all. In fact, anyone who thinks or says that you are, do so because they have no concept of realities outside of their own realm of experience. It's an ignorance we all have at times! In such a complex cosmos as our's, wouldn't everything possible in thought be a reality somewhere?
I have seen two Dragons in my time. One was green like the heart chakra and I helped to free it from an entity that was abusing it's capabilities. The other was a Red Dragon I met when the Guides brought me to experiencing a Kundalini raising to the third eye chakra. Both were very very real, despite anyone else's concept of what is real. I include archetypal manifestations as real too, particularly in the spiritual realms.
The Red one and I joined together, which is a wild experience. And since then it has raised inside me a number of times, causing me to fight for the control of the powerful energies that coursed through my physical body. During one Soul journey I was confronted by something that I initially took as frightening, only to find that I automatically 'morphed' into the Red Dragon, the strongest defence I knew at the time. I thought my reaction was quite funny once I got through the fear.
So dear brother you are definately not crazy. Well at least I hope not, otherwise I must be too. LOL.
All the best in your journeys. [8)]
Love always.
In the Orient, the dragon is considered the luckiest symbol! Think of THAT the next time you run into one on the Astral.
On the Occidental side (i.e., most of our home countries), the Dragon used to be a symbol of wild power (among other things) . . . but the Church demonized it, along with so many other pre-christian things that did not fit into Church mythology. The dragon was cast into the pit with the Old Gods and other mythical beings (like the serpent, an ancient symbol of wisdom and regeneration), and despised. They became the Bad Guys in fireside stories, books, and then later, movies, pinball games, and computer games.
Please people, READ YOUR ANCIENT HISTORY before deciding whether or not you want to take on an ancient being on the astral. If you defeat the dragon, WHAT HAVE YOU DEFEATED? Your own wild power? Your own fierceness? Will you feel better now that you are now docile and tame, the way Church and Society want you to be? That's what all those medieval dragon-battle stories are about, you know.
In my opinion, if you are visited by a real dragon on the Astral, you've probably been blessed. You'll still be scared out of your mind, because you're normal. I had a Teacher tell me once that if I ever came face-to-face with true power, I'd probably wet my pants. He's probably right.
HALT!
I seem to have missed the start of this debate
The dragon I evoqued was on THIS topic
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5791
Lachrymist:
You would loose the "fight" if you think fighting it is some kind of WAR. This dragon, is a collective neg, so it has to be fought the same way one fights his own negs: by not fearing them, by thinking about more interesting things, or even by giving them a little and gentle tap on the head saying "who are you little figure? I bet you need some love!"
So please don't even think about ATTACKING the dragon, the only way to defeat it in my dream was saying a certain prayer, spectially writen within a team of three persons, it was needed to be three, but then you are simply assured of winning, and if you don't, it will start over, if you're stuck at some point, I assume you see yourself rotting, and might also wake up in sweat... but I'm not sure this dragon will be defeated this year!
Jilola
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It seems to me that it's a reflection based on a common mythological manifestation. What it is a reflection of is hard to tell. Perhaps the fear of entering a region that seems like one is being swallowed.
I have to correct you on this because I've actually been swallowed by the dragon in my dream, and very interesting things happend inside it. The only thing that disturbs me is that all other people were not capable of saving themselves from the dragon, I was the only one to be able to escape, so I've been much concerned about the fate of all these persons, who actually were people that I apreciated.
Tayesin your interpretations are very interesting, I'm starting to wonder if the dragon is not some kind of power that I have, and that, used as it is right now, has tendency to injure my surrounding.
yet I still have an idea about this dragon being something more general that might concern a larger amout of people than just myself...
Trisha: I don't think being mild means being stupidly tame... I think mild power is stronger than any other... but life could sure show me I'm wrong?!
ANYWAY! all video game players have to review their attitude: fighting such entity is not like in "the matrix" giving punches and kicks or even trying to harm the entity NO... it is something really different. And if you loose, what you do just has no effect.
Hi Frere, just had another thought on the Dragon you posted about. In the growing UFO literature, more people are having contact with what they describe as Reptilians or Dracos. The info seems to point to that race coming here. In my own experience of a conversation with one of them during a Soul journey, I was told that they would be here very soon and that most of them would do things we see as 'evil'. Perhaps many unions of three working together could help to lessen the impact of them if they do come.
About ten years ago two friends and I had a very close encounter with an alien craft, that we had seen in the sky and wanted to experiment with telepathic communications. We called them to us and they responded very quickly, coming within 100 yards of us as we sat in a circle. The experiment by the three of us was very successful, so we theorized and decided that if you can call them then you must also be able to send them away. Just a thought.
Love always.
interesting, but hard to seize for me though. I have doubt that my dragon was a reptilian one it did not have scales, and rather looked theoric, even if his actions were real... but I assume the way you fight one kind of evil, that way you can fight another...
In one of Robert Bruce's articles he talks about where he let a entity in and it entered his body and he ened up chasing it away to astral plane. I think he called it sharkey. Well he was battling these lower astral entities and all these other knights join him and form a line. In one of his remarks he mentions that one person fell to the onslaught of astral entites and mentioned that that person will wake up with headache.
I assume that if your astral body's energy is disrupted that it can cause some physical discomfort for a period of time. Sooner you can balance your energy I would think the better you would feel..
DOA
Now that I read the whole 2 pages It reminded me of a dream I had at one time where I was attacked by a dragon.
I was in a wharehouse district and outside this dragon was flying and it was trying to catch me Id run from building to building. I had my son with me and he ran outside becouse he saw a animal he wanted to protect. Well obviously I ran after him and was trying to protect him. I was face to face with this dragon told my son to run back to the warehouse and then a good dragon came and they started fighting. I ran a little and then came back to help the good dragon and the bad dragon flew off. So I was face to face with this good white dragon and we smiled at each other.... The End
DOA
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Originally posted by Frère
"Tayesin your interpretations are very interesting, I'm starting to wonder if the dragon is not some kind of power that I have, and that, used as it is right now, has tendency to injure my surrounding."
Frere, that makes me think more along the lines of it being an Archetype. The fiery red dragon(serpent)of the Kundalini, which without learning the means to master it's potential, can certainly destroy you and those around you. In physical, emotional and mental aspects. It is a hard taskmaster!
My teacher told me when I was 17 that there are many people in mental institutions who have experienced spontaeneous Kundalini risings. So from my own experience it is something best done with your Guides assistance if that is what you are meant to experience.
quote by Frere.
"yet I still have an idea about this dragon being something more general that might concern a larger amout of people than just myself..."
Have you read Mother Shipton's prophecies? This may be another meaning to your massive dream. The prophecies are are quite short and contain a lot of detail about the passing of the Red Dragon.
Good luck with working it out.
Love always.
Tayesin
Actually I think I had one of these kundalini manifestations 2 year ago: I ended up being filled with drugs in a mental hospital. It was not a harsh experience because I had a message from light forces, that I will find God in my doctor... and actually all went well even though I would rather evitate trying this experience again. I think kundalini had something to do with my experience, but I don't see why beeing a team of three would be necessary if that dragon concerns only my kundalini adventure?!
Actually I feel like in my dream I needed to belong to a group in order to handle the problem of the dragon. The problem is being able to choose or create an adapted group. I actually am aware these things are used by sects, and am wondering: do you tayesin belong to some kind of group?
Anyway I am in a close relation with my Protector, who just tries to guide me and prevent from errors among which are the collective suicide!
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Originally posted by Frère
I think kundalini had something to do with my experience, but I don't see why beeing a team of three would be necessary if that dragon concerns only my kundalini adventure?!
Hi Frere, maybe the three where Guides who would help you master the Kundalini. ??????
The only group I worked with during the Kundalini sessions were my extremely patient Guides.
LOL, I don't fit into most groups that well. I've always done my own thing, occasionally shared some Soul journeys with friends and am always trying to find a more palatable way for others to hear the messages I've been given to share. So I am an outsider to the standard ways. LOL, and I kinda like it that way.
Love always.
Actually this is not stupid at all: for my first OBE, I had actually two "friends" around me, in which case we were three persons... I still wonder Why I would need two guides, and above all WHO might be the second: if the first is my higher self... then Who is the other??
Wow your quick on the reply Frere, LOL. I had my higher self and another aspect of that, plus another helper that I have known at a Soul level for the longest time. So just at the start of the Kundalini phase, I had three Guides working with me directly and another two that helped on different assignments, making a total of 5 that I know off just for that period.
So I see no reason why you wouldn't learn who the third member was/is from that group. You will find the answer to that question inside and in Journeys.
Love always.
You didn't tell me: do you belong to some physical world group? how would you recognize a sect?
I once encountered a MASSIVE dragon just after exiting my body.it came through a dark barrier of some kind.then it shape-changed into a human figure.it was *interesting*.it had 2 heads.
there's no way in hell you could get me to challenge something like that[:O]
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Originally posted by Frère
You didn't tell me: do you belong to some physical world group? how would you recognize a sect?
Hi Frere, yes I did forget to answer that. I must have had 1.00A.M. brain drain at the time. LOL
The only group I am with is a local UFO and paranormal research group, that I am the current president of. Apart from that I have never wanted to be involved in the groups that I have visited. I have mostly found too much dogma and ego related issues within the groups, so I choose to go my own way.
Recognizing a sect? Possibly by what the people have to say, if it is overtly dogmatic or 'feels' as if it does not resonate inside, then I may think that it could be a sect/belief system. Really, I don't even think about sects except to have a sympathetic feeling for the people being led by the leader/guru type. Mainly because the followers are just that, FOLLOWING! Where I prefer first hand personal experience to be my 'firm base'.
Jason, I loved the last line of your post. Thanx for the giggle.[:)]
Love always.
Have you seen aliens or UFOs in physical life?
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Originally posted by Frère
Have you seen aliens or UFOs in physical life?
Yes. Since being born they have been in and out of my life. Sometimes they helped me. Many times they made me forget. The last time I was allowed to remember was three years ago, when I was sleeping over at a friends house. The small 'greys' filed off into all the bedrooms and the taller, paler one who was in charge of the operation came over and 'talked with me'telepathically. My little daughter has been telling me about their visits to her this year too.
Love always.
*Frere* stays silent in respect.
I would look at the meeting as being symbolic of something. I would try neither to run away nor fear it, (try - mind you)and see if there was some message in it's being there!
I once was charged by a unicorn who stopped and let me touch it's nose. I will never forget that experience.
so lets say that you stumble across the dragon and you decide to try and attack it. If it turns out you lose the fight what will happen to you? I am very new to this so i don't know much.