'Dream paralysis'?

[sheriff_rango]

Anyone experienced this? I haven't for a while but I've not really seen it brought up anywhere. Robert Bruce mentioned it briefly in 'Astral Dynamics' where I got the name. For me it was where out of nowhere mid-dream I'd get a heavy crushing pain on my chest and wouldn't be able to breathe or -'dream-breathe'  . RB said its the astral body getting a fright elsewhere while you're dreaming but I'd like to hear other interpretations.

[Mark Alexander]

I often wake up from one dream into another, and during this process I've sometimes had 'dreams' of sleep paralysis, which have then resulted in full awareness and a subsequent roll-out from the non-physical body, followed by a conscious OOBE.  From what I've seen, I doubt it's a case of any astral fright, but of the mind becoming habituated to certain exit techniques and thus causing the circumstances to manifest while in a non-physical state.

[CFTraveler]

I call this bilocation.

[proyect_outzone]

I call this the "Dizziness and nausea phenomenon". Here is all, what i know about it:

(1.2.5.3.7.11.1) This phenomenon occurs sometimes and suddenly during out of body experiences and some astral dreams. One gets then weakened by sudden dizziness, tingling, energy boosts, nausea and other disturbing till unpleasant sensations. Mostly one goes then to the ground or falls over. During that process becomes the field of view often dark. That means, that everything goes black (or rarely also white by brightening of the field of view). The view can also become blurred or foggy. These sudden changes can makes oneself very nervous. One wakes then often up due this nervousity. Then one got mostly a sleep paralysis. This experience is absolutely harmless and can occur on many occasions, which one does often not notice. If one is calm and knows, that it is harmless, does it feel not so bad, as it would feel if one does not know it. The best, what one can do is to stay calm and to wait. This phenomenon fades mostly away by itself. This experience can also be triggered intentionally. One possibility is, to make an out of body experience attempt during a dream or during an out of body experience.    

(1.2.5.3.7.11.1.1) After the fading away one finds oneself usually in an clear out of body experience.

[Lionheart]

I call this the "Dizziness and nausea phenomenon". Here is all, what i know about it:

Basically in a nutshell, you awaken in a state of full blown Sleep Paralysis, then your fear kicks in and makes it much more than it is.

It sounds like I am playing it down, but it can be and usually is one of the most frightening experiences you can ever have.

We tell people to just confront it and move on, but that is much easier said than done.

This normally occurs from a spontaneous OBE and many times it is the person's first brush with AP in general. So, they don't have any clue whatsoever what is happening them. Many times a experience like this is what leads them to a Forum like ours here.

[proyect_outzone]

Basically in a nutshell, you awaken in a state of full blown Sleep Paralysis, then your fear kicks in and makes it much more than it is.

There must be fear, to have a effect of fear. I know this phenomenon already and i dont have any fear while i experience it, because i experienced it often enough. I usually wait until its over.

It sounds like I am playing it down, but it can be and usually is one of the most frightening experiences you can ever have.

Only the lack of knowledge can make it frightening. If one knows, that this is harmless and knows about the sensations, it is not frightening anymore.

We tell people to just confront it and move on, but that is much easier said than done.

Best is to tell exactly, what happens. If a newbie sees, that exactly the described things are happening, the newbie will have way less fear.

Many times a experience like this is what leads them to a Forum like ours here.

Thats right. That applies to a lot of different kinds of experiences.

[raditus]

I don't honestly know if some of my things I have happen in my own bedroom can be classified as sleep paralysis. I am not talking about the things with Walt and Jack, I am talking other things that happened some time ago.

Stone cold awake and phsycially, not project-eny, sitting up in middle of bed and seeing localized ripples move around my room and vanish amongst other things. Is this sleep/dream paralysis or other stuff? Note that I haven't had this stuff happen in awhile like this.

It wasn't the void. Nor was it hypnopomp, as because that I stated earlier, I was crystal clear awake and with no disorientation and had to stand up from the bed shortly after because a familiar member happened to call me away from room for help.

And yes, sometimes I got that crushing high gravity sensation before in my dreams. Usually for me, that feeling somehow takes the place of fear. I guess because it is that in most cases in my dreams, the feelings of emotions are skewed and felt oddly. But one time I got this a couple of years ago in a chase sequence. I got that high grav feeling and all I could do was lurch awkwardly and not run correctly. I made myself wake up because I knew the bad person was going to catch me in my current condition.

[Lionheart]

There must be fear, to have a effect of fear. I know this phenomenon already and i dont have any fear while i experience it, because i experienced it often enough. I usually wait until its over.

Only the lack of knowledge can make it frightening. If one knows, that this is harmless and knows about the sensations, it is not frightening anymore.

Best is to tell exactly, what happens. If a newbie sees, that exactly the described things are happening, the newbie will have way less fear.

True you know the phenomenon already, you have been through it. We know that we reap the rewards for seeing it through, but a new person has no idea how intense it can get.

I have found that we can explain the sensations here until we are blue in the face. That does nothing to prepare them for the "real thing".

I see many people talking about the vibrations. I also find out afterwards that the vibrations they are talking about is the simple pins and needle onset of a shift. Not a full blown being shaken out of your skin vibration and that's what a full blown experience can be like. Some people explain that they felt like they were at the "brink of death". How do you describe a sensation like that? How do you describe a sensation of being pulled out of your body by your feet, hung upside down from your bedroom ceiling, then spun like a Tornado as you enter a vortex. Words alone cannot prepare them. At the time, our words of encouragement mean nothing.

But, afterwards, when they come here, they can see that this is not necessarily normal with everyone, but at least they get an explanation of why it happened to them.

The problem I have had in the past here was I lost touch with what a new member/guest is actually experiencing. It all became the same automatic answer, "This is completely normal, just stay the course, see it through etc." One in awhile I get a really bizarre experience which helps me feel empathy for the new experiencers here again.

[sheriff_rango]

Just to add that I've never experienced sleep paralysis or OOBE to compare it to this and dreams usually just faded out. Its also the only 'physically' painful dream experience I've had - even dream deaths have been painless and its not something I've seen discussed. I'm wondering though if it could be used as a launchpad for AP or something.

[soarin12]

Just to add that I've never experienced sleep paralysis or OOBE to compare it to this and dreams usually just faded out. Its also the only 'physically' painful dream experience I've had - even dream deaths have been painless and its not something I've seen discussed. I'm wondering though if it could be used as a launchpad for AP or something.

I've only experienced the crushing on my chest/not being able to breathe during SP.  In two dreams I've experienced a person/entity that was causing me physical pain for an extended period of time.--seemed like about 15 or 20 min.  It actually seemed like it was my energy body that was experiencing the pain. It was interpreted as physical pain, though.  I wasn't afraid but also did not try to get away from the pain.  I don't know why.  If I had been lucid I would have been out of there!  In both cases I was a little emotionally off center (down feeling) before I went to bed.

As for using the crushing sensation for a launch pad, it's all about whether you can become lucid when you feel it.  If you can associate the feeling of it with "hey, I'm dreaming!"  Then you will be APing. (In my experience, APs are dreams with full lucidity.)

[Lionheart]

Just to add that I've never experienced sleep paralysis or OOBE to compare it to this and dreams usually just faded out. Its also the only 'physically' painful dream experience I've had - even dream deaths have been painless and its not something I've seen discussed. I'm wondering though if it could be used as a launchpad for AP or something.

The above happens when you come back to your physical waking reality while either returning from the NPR or just getting ready to enter it. When you become consciously aware in a Dream there really is no "bells or whistles". It's only when you awaken during the actual shift process.

This I feel is why our bodies/mind have some kind of defense mechanism to turn our waking consciousness off during this "transition" period. Otherwise, a restful "uneventlful" night sleep would be very hard to come by.